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Peem
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Posted - 2010.06.01 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Hannibal218 Hi
Apparently, the latest eve version "Tyrannis" made it so that level 5 missions will be only in low sec. ... I am asking you to consider re modifying the level 5 missions feature. I am sure that I am not the only one who complained about this since the patch. At the end of the day, there are a lot more high-sec dwellers than low-sec/zero space ones. why mess our game play so?
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Hannibal218
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Posted - 2010.06.01 18:01:00 -
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I see that several people are agreeing with me. tell your friends to pot in this thread, the more people posting the more chances this thread will be noticed by CCP.
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Vespoi Filar
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Posted - 2010.06.01 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: Hannibal218 I see that several people are agreeing with me. tell your friends to pot in this thread, the more people posting the more chances this thread will be noticed by CCP.
1) L5 mishs are supposed to generate mainly in losec 2) There was a bug that altered this behavior and sent most of the mish to hisec. 3) This bug has been fixed.
There isn't anything to discuss or notice.
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will2win
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Posted - 2010.06.01 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Vespoi Filar
Originally by: Hannibal218 I see that several people are agreeing with me. tell your friends to pot in this thread, the more people posting the more chances this thread will be noticed by CCP.
1) L5 mishs are supposed to generate mainly in losec 2) There was a bug that altered this behavior and sent most of the mish to hisec. 3) This bug has been fixed.
There isn't anything to discuss or notice.
Totally unrelated.
Lets say 1. hurricane is ment to be pvp bc 2. people figured hurricane is pretty good salvager 3. people started using canes for salvage 4. ccp found out and invented a game mechanic that made a cane unable to salvage 5. i think people have the right to be ****ed.
Even if this was a bug it existed in game longer then i played - for over 3 years! We have built our gameplay around it. it's already part of the game and we want it changed back.
(PS> If everybody on doing lvl5 will just put 2 useless alts in some lvl 5 low sec system and keep them on 23*7 when he doesn't play the result will be the same - even better - lvl 5 with be ONLY in high sec! for everyone! and we will have 1000 extra people logged in... higher load. slower response times... etc.)
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AmitZ
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Posted - 2010.06.01 20:43:00 -
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This message is intended for CCP only.
CCP, so far we got no response for you if this issue is going to be reverted back to how it was.
For years as previous players stated, this is how things were. I have subscribed with an additional account *only* to be able to run lvl5 missions. I have been waiting for it for very long. Even bought a new computer for it.
Inside the game, finally I have just acquired my Rattlesnake. I have been waiting to play with it. I didn't even run one mission with it, it is in the hanger.
I am waiting for a response - are you going to fix it - or not? After one year of training for it, paying for two account, buying a new computer, I finally was able to gather enough isk to buy this ship and have the skills in my alt to be able to support it in these lvl5 missions. NOT being able to do it is VERYYY frustrating. I am not going to try anything else in the game if I cannot do it. I will be clear - either you fix it or I leave. Your call.
So far I am VERY frustrated, I cannot play the game since the last update.
Amit
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AmitZ
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Posted - 2010.06.01 20:48:00 -
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Regarding these players who say "low sec is safer" etc - This is a really sick attitude you have. Seeing your game colleges frustrated and actually smile is a very sick sport spirit.
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King Rothgar
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2010.06.01 21:18:00 -
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They still spawn in high sec, just less often. It was a broken game mechanic that yes, lasted a long time, but has long been stated it was a BUG and was not intended. The bug still exists due to poor programming but it has at least been lessened. So you can continue exploiting this bug for the time being but you must be more patient. And don't plan on the current loop hole existing forever either.
Additionally, you could just grow a pair of balls and run them in low sec like CCP intended and hundreds of other players do. Low sec is not safe, but tbh it's safer than high sec if you use your brain a little.
I'm sure CCP has seen all the whinage but this is not a single player game. They look at the community as a whole and what's good for it (or they think is good for it). Your actions were destroying the income of those who put more effort and skill into the game than you. Don't expect any sympathy from us.
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Goose99
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Posted - 2010.06.01 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: Vespoi Filar
Originally by: Hannibal218 I see that several people are agreeing with me. tell your friends to pot in this thread, the more people posting the more chances this thread will be noticed by CCP.
1) L5 mishs are supposed to generate mainly in losec 2) There was a bug that altered this behavior and sent most of the mish to hisec. 3) This bug has been fixed.
There isn't anything to discuss or notice.
Yeah right.
1) L5 missions generate mainly in lowsec. 2) corps dump useless alts into lowsec. 3) L5 missions generate all in highsec.
People are movable, you know.
Problem: -Dominion bug sends missions to more crowded systems (highsec). -Tyrannis bug sends missions to less crowded systems (lowsec). -Both bugs can be exploited to manipulate mission spawn, just by moving toons around.
Solution: -Get rid of both bugs, because both bugs can be exploited. Leave it to pure chance. For example, a low sec lvl5 agent happens to have 1 highsec neighbor and 1 lowsec neighbor, chances of highsec spawn is 1/3, lowsec spawn is 2/3. Working as intended and cannot be manipulated.
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Kell Braugh
Minute to Midnight
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Posted - 2010.06.01 22:20:00 -
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With the exception of moving threads in or out of here and maybe chiming in when something is buggish, CCP, for the most part, does not directly reply here. Sure, they may read some of our threads, but in general, its read only for ccp people.
With that said, you also made a thread in assembly hall for this, a petition that is, imo, dying horribad as it should. Don't cross/double post things in the future please.
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Thorradin
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2010.06.02 01:07:00 -
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Originally by: Goose99
Problem: -Dominion bug sends missions to more crowded systems (highsec). -Tyrannis bug sends missions to less crowded systems (lowsec). -Both bugs can be exploited to manipulate mission spawn, just by moving toons around.
About that Tyrannis 'bug' sending people to lowsec: http://www.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp?patchlogID=205
Agents & Missions
* The load balancing mechanism for missions in Dominion incorrectly prioritized high-load systems over low-load systems when selecting the location for mission objectives. Agents now prefer to send players to less loaded systems.
It's not a bug, it's a fix for the Dominion bug you mentioned.
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Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
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Posted - 2010.06.02 01:34:00 -
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Originally by: Hannibal218 Hi
Apparently, the latest eve version "Tyrannis" made it so that level 5 missions will be only in low sec.
My question is WHY?
Because it's lowsec content, that's how it was itroduced.
You can't farm sleepers in highsec, you can't farm pirate agents in highsec and you can't farm L5s in highsec. Not everything should be catered for solo riskless farming.
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Goose99
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Posted - 2010.06.02 01:50:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: Hannibal218 Hi
Apparently, the latest eve version "Tyrannis" made it so that level 5 missions will be only in low sec.
My question is WHY?
Because it's lowsec content, that's how it was itroduced.
You can't farm sleepers in highsec, you can't farm pirate agents in highsec and you can't farm L5s in highsec. Not everything should be catered for solo riskless farming.
For lvl5s, yes, they can, and they are. Because Tyrannis bug is there to be exploited, just by moving toons around. It's being farmed, hard, because due to the bug, lvl5 agents can be manipulated into consistently spawning highsec missions. If they fix it and revert back to simple probability, lvl5s will spawn in lowsec most of the time, highsec once in a long while, without possibility of being mass farmed by alt movers. It would be back to the way it's supposed to be.
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Tarron Sarek
Gallente Biotronics Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.02 01:53:00 -
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Originally by: Hannibal218 Since both my characters have togather over 80M SP the only challenges that remain to me in high sec are level 5 missions.
Problem identified and marked.
Afaik L5 missions were never meant to be in high sec. I mean.. seriously, which dev would be ignorant enough to actually believe that players would run them in low sec if you could somehow have them in high sec?
I'd say L4 missons are just too easy and not challenging enough, mostly due to the fact that there is absolutely no random factor in them. You could script a bot to run them. Just like courier missions. Oh wait..
Apart from that you don't pay the game to play the way you want it. You simply pay to be able to play. You're not alone, you know.
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Goose99
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Posted - 2010.06.02 02:02:00 -
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Originally by: Tarron Sarek
Originally by: Hannibal218 Since both my characters have togather over 80M SP the only challenges that remain to me in high sec are level 5 missions.
Problem identified and marked.
Afaik L5 missions were never meant to be in high sec. I mean.. seriously, which dev would be ignorant enough to actually believe that players would run them in low sec if you could somehow have them in high sec?
I'd say L4 missons are just too easy and not challenging enough, mostly due to the fact that there is absolutely no random factor in them. You could script a bot to run them. Just like courier missions. Oh wait..
Apart from that you don't pay the game to play the way you want it. You simply pay to be able to play. You're not alone, you know.
Running gatecamps in carebear pve fit in border lowsec is like paying to be somebody's b**ch. But then again, some people are into that.
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Tarron Sarek
Gallente Biotronics Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.02 02:18:00 -
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Well I didn't say the whole concept was brilliant
However, it is the way it is, and exploiting obvious flaws in game mechanics doesn't make it better. Actually.. I'm amazed at the level of fail regarding shortsighted mechanics and at the amount of investigative pursuit on the part of some EVE players. I don't understand how things like this can exist for so long. And I agree to a certain extend that if it really worked like this for a long time, suddenly fixing it is kinda rude. You shouldn't be rude to your paying customers.
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PokinoCupra
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Posted - 2010.06.02 07:57:00 -
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I runned L5s because of fun, higher challenge. When i want ISK, then i run L4s, they still pays better than L5s. (L5s are just for LPs, you run that mostly in 2, so whole income divide by 2) ok lets keep your L5s in lowsec but then add smt like L4,5 to highsec. L4s are....just booooooooring and easy. "go to low sec" and other posts......yes thats what you need right? why should i risk few BIL ship when i can be killed by some noobs in cheap T1s? no thank you.
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Grarr Dexx
Amarr GK inc. Panda Team
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Posted - 2010.06.02 08:26:00 -
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Then why do it with your 'few bil isk' ship if you can just do it with a vagabond/any hac and a scimi and never get caught? Stop being so ******edly closeminded. ___
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Danfortman
Shogunate Samurai
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Posted - 2010.06.02 08:45:00 -
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Edited by: Danfortman on 02/06/2010 08:55:08 I aggree. I"ve had to look long and hard to find the right agent. One that wouldn't take me into low-sec for any reason. and that was for lvl 4 missions. I wouldn't do lvl 5's because i had to go into low sec.
I will not enter low sec inless i am in a corp that is based in null and i need to get there.
Why risk anything worth something by even entering low sec. So that some loszers can come long and gank me. For what purpose? Oh? what? they're getting there moneys worth? If i ever got to a point where i had to work my way up from the bottum i'd quit. Becasue that would mean i couldn't afford to sell game time to make back my loses. it'd be over. I would like to be able to do lvl 5 missions. But i won't. It'd be the best use of my pilots though if i could.
I agree with the OP.
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Hannibal218
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Posted - 2010.06.02 11:47:00 -
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I am happy to see that there are many others who think like me. If you have friends with the same perdiciment, please have them take note of this thread and reply in it.
I am running level 5 missions for allmost two years I am pretty sure that they worked the same way even before I started. On the contrary, sometime along the way (I forgot when) they were buffed. once the usual level 5 returned 40K LP and after the buff they returned about 70K. This example shows that in the past CCP noticed nobody runs level 5 missions because they are hard and dont worth the effort, and thus CCP encouraged players to run level 5 missions. If CCP are interested that more people will run level 5s and less people run level 4s, their latest action is completley counter productive.
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Some Dewd
Some Corp.
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Posted - 2010.06.02 12:17:00 -
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wow at this rate i hope ccp delete all missions, get the noobs wanting high rewards no risk in empire.
(gets sham WOW and soaks up all the tears)
seriously you guys are like kids
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Lerth O'Ferris
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Posted - 2010.06.02 13:06:00 -
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I can't believe my eyes seeing so many people admitting they've been bluntly exploiting game bugs (level 5 missions in low-sec IS a bug just like DED 10\10 spawning in Motsu would) and whining after this bugs getting fixed.
That's pathetic.
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Hannibal218
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Posted - 2010.06.02 13:25:00 -
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Dude, this was not a bug.
Level 5 missions were handled this way for atleast the 18 months that I could run them, and I am pretty sure that was the policy since they were first introduced to eve.
Setting so that level 5 missions will apear only in low sec requires (if the game was designed correctly and I am sure it was) changing only a couple of lines of code. CCP could have changed this so called "BUG" months ago, and they did not even require a major eddittion to fix it.
This is a change of policy made by CCP, and not a bug fix. And we are protesting to make CCP , hopefully, change their "policy change" Some one here suggested for instance a complete randomization of the systems instead of prefering lowsec or high sec.
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Di Mulle
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Posted - 2010.06.02 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: AmitZ This message is intended for CCP only.
CCP, so far we got no response for you if this issue is going to be reverted back to how it was.
For years as previous players stated, this is how things were. I have subscribed with an additional account *only* to be able to run lvl5 missions. I have been waiting for it for very long. Even bought a new computer for it.
Inside the game, finally I have just acquired my Rattlesnake. I have been waiting to play with it. I didn't even run one mission with it, it is in the hanger.
I am waiting for a response - are you going to fix it - or not? After one year of training for it, paying for two account, buying a new computer, I finally was able to gather enough isk to buy this ship and have the skills in my alt to be able to support it in these lvl5 missions. NOT being able to do it is VERYYY frustrating. I am not going to try anything else in the game if I cannot do it. I will be clear - either you fix it or I leave. Your call.
So far I am VERY frustrated, I cannot play the game since the last update.
Amit
THIS message is not intended for CCP at all
But, you really brought breaking news ! You unable to play now ? Can you be more specific ? CCP deleted skills on your alt? They locked your new Rattlesnake ? Or, god forbid, they touched your new computer ? They sent you a nasty virus, it is broken now ???
I knew they are evil. But not to that extent...
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Misanthra
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Posted - 2010.06.02 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: Grarr Dexx Then why do it with your 'few bil isk' ship if you can just do it with a vagabond/any hac and a scimi and never get caught? Stop being so ******edly closeminded.
This isn't a game this is a job. Would ruin their isk per hour doing something fun like this. also might need friends to equal the dps of a torp spec golem. Teamwork and interaction with others...a strange concept to put in an mmo it seems lol.
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Fon Revedhort
Monks of War Monks of War.
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Posted - 2010.06.02 18:14:00 -
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Edited by: Fon Revedhort on 02/06/2010 18:15:48
Originally by: Hannibal218 Dude, this was not a bug.
Level 5 missions were handled this way for atleast the 18 months that I could run them, and I am pretty sure that was the policy since they were first introduced to eve.
Setting so that level 5 missions will apear only in low sec requires (if the game was designed correctly and I am sure it was) changing only a couple of lines of code. CCP could have changed this so called "BUG" months ago, and they did not even require a major eddittion to fix it.
This is a change of policy made by CCP, and not a bug fix. And we are protesting to make CCP , hopefully, change their "policy change" Some one here suggested for instance a complete randomization of the systems instead of prefering lowsec or high sec.
Dude, how long the POS exploit was abused for? Have they fixed a cyno effecet? Have they fixed powergrid of NH after claiming to get to it in the early 2009? Etc.
Level 5 agents ARE in lowsec. FFS! If CCP wanted lvl 5 missions in highsec, why wouldn't they just put the agents right there in the first place!? ---[center] Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist |
Hannibal218
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Posted - 2010.06.02 21:46:00 -
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This is nothing like the POS expolit.
in the POS exploit people were gaining an unfair advantage over others by using consumable goods without depleating them. thus breaking down the market for T2 ships.
we were not even remotly that melevolant. first of all, people who were using the POS exploit KNEW that they are cheating and still they went on with what they did willingly.
on the other hand, even before tyrannis only about 30-40% of the level 5 missions were in high sec, the rest were in low sec. we were not cheating in any way, there were oeriods of days where i did not run a mission because i had a streak of low sec ones.
secondly there are even level one agents in ow sec. the fact that CCP put the level 5 agents in low sec does not have to mean they intended level 5 to be only in low sec. mayve they just wanted to filter their amount of high sec missions. the agents are only 1-2 jumps inside low sec, CCP could put them in remote areas that would have never sent missions to high sec.
a year ago ccp relocated many many agents, why yet they did not relocate the level 5 agents.
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AmitZ1983
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Posted - 2010.06.02 22:52:00 -
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Originally by: Lerth O'Ferris I can't believe my eyes seeing so many people admitting they've been bluntly exploiting game bugs (level 5 missions in low-sec IS a bug just like DED 10\10 spawning in Motsu would) and whining after this bugs getting fixed.
That's pathetic.
Its you who is pathetic. Balancing the game load has nothing to do with this. If they did wanted to put all of the missions in low sec they could have done so easily in any release, CCP has done much more than that.
You can stop all of you now using this as an excuse.
We have dedicated years - trained 2 accounts, checked hundreds of fittings, got our ships blown up while trying to do so till we got to the level we can run lvl5s.
Your jealous at people who do enjoy the game and the rejoice and someone's else downfall is much worse than anything.
I hope you do realize that and get more mature.
I really do hope CCP will fix this so we could enjoy playing this game back again.
Amit
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Hannibal218
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Posted - 2010.06.03 14:35:00 -
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*bump*
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