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Diomedes Calypso
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Posted - 2010.06.04 03:37:00 -
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I am seeing less supply coming to market from mission runners.
Think they're busy clicking on PI or think they might be on strike or maybe even moved on because of disgruntlement with mission changes?
Does anyone esle see the same drop or am I just extrapolating of a narrow blip in data?
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The Slagh
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Posted - 2010.06.04 03:56:00 -
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you are seeing what you expect to see. the number of people running missions has not been affected significantly.
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Tiruriku
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Posted - 2010.06.04 03:57:00 -
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I enjoy mission running quite a bit and have not stopped, but after reading in the Missions forum it seems at least some people have. While many regular missioners seem frustrated I don't think it has stopped that many from playing. One big decrease is in the number of L5 mission runners. Many people have posted saying they have stopped running them completely, since it is much harder to get a mission assigned in high sec.
Courier routes also were lengthened, so macro's running couriers can complete fewer trips per day.
Many people have stopped salvaging. I still salvage but with less value in the salvage I'll probably stockpile it a long time before bothering to sell it.
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Diomedes Calypso
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Posted - 2010.06.04 04:19:00 -
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Originally by: The Slagh you are seeing what you expect to see. the number of people running missions has not been affected significantly.
Well, I've seen some unusual moves in prices .. that I know.. proving a corelation to mission #s is another matter.. thats why I'm asking
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.06.04 04:21:00 -
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Originally by: Diomedes Calypso I am seeing less supply coming to market from mission runners.
Mission-runners located near lowsec systems will find themselves sent to those lowsec systems extremely often, so they either keep postponing while they scratch their heads, or started moving further inside highsec before resuming missioning. Mission-runners are also experiencing a quantity drop in their usual juicy to-reprocess loot, so they might be a bit reluctant to keep looting unless meta-loot prices start going up a little bit. And stuff like that.
Quote: Think they're busy clicking on PI
Not before next Tuesday, they aren't.
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Jan VanRijkdom
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Posted - 2010.06.04 05:39:00 -
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Whadya mean, Akita T? I've been PI-ing it up bigtime lately, we just had a new expansion, remember? I've got like 17 uber eveplanetcolonies printing isk, so yea, I've def stopped missioning.....
....HA, but no, I havnt noticed any missioner drop myself, ofc in dodixie there's not a high prob of getting sent to lowsec for a mission.
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Steve Thomas
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.04 05:49:00 -
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Edited by: Steve Thomas on 04/06/2010 05:49:47 Edited by: Steve Thomas on 04/06/2010 05:49:28 Well Ive noticed longer runs on some missions(but then im stuck currently in a bit of a dead end system since im faction grinding)
Some(most) borderland systems may be seeing mission runners move out rather than eat all the /declinemission penalties from people who dont mission run into lowsec.
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Diomedes Calypso
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Posted - 2010.06.04 05:54:00 -
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Thanks guys.. must just be some pretty fair scale manipulations... seems like it would take a few hundred billion to lock up all the hubs inventories...but I guess stranger things have been seen
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Boogie Bobby
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Posted - 2010.06.04 06:09:00 -
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Akita pretty much nailed it.
Any kind of 'strike' is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. What matters to the market is that it's better money to blitz missions now. Missioners have taken the past week to feel out the changes, move to a new hub etc.
On top of that, for those that persist in looting/salvaging there's more low sec or mission locations 1-4 jumps away so they're taking more time.
Personally I've reduced my mission running quite a bit. When my decline timer gets in the way I just go play another char for awhile, or turn EVE off. I gotta be pretty desperate to keep playing if I'm making 4 jumps to hit the Duo of Death.
Last thing to consider is that high sec lvl 5's were effectively eliminated. Seems a fair number of people were doing those. Even the deep low sec agents are subject to the above nerfs so people are adapting or quitting because of the 1-4 jumps.
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wakalaka
Information And Entropy
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Posted - 2010.06.04 07:09:00 -
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Each summer is the same for all mmorpg. There is a change of faces and market players, enhanced by the expansion and L4 changes. Some people play more during summer and have to get "ready". Other minority of people go to the beach (o)(o) or their 2nd residence and take a break. And many high school and university ppl have their finals atm, btw.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.06.04 07:23:00 -
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Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 04/06/2010 07:25:00
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Mission-runners located near lowsec systems will find themselves sent to those lowsec systems extremely often, so they either keep postponing while they scratch their heads, or started moving further inside highsec before resuming missioning.
Mission runners had never to think beyond a chimpanze level.
They started the game as Caldari, farmed CN possibly at Motsu or a 0.5 border system, whined how there were too many hundreds of them in the same system (guess why!), whined about ninjas (guess where ninjas go... where the fishes are thicker), whined about horripilant LP / ISK ratios and... that's it. No other consequence.
Come Tyrannis, they have to begin thinking, to begin competing, to begin planning for better mission sites. This is overhelming for long time sclerotized brains. I spent *days* explaining the simple mission relocation mechanism and why it exists and why it's fundamental for the scalability of EvE and yet they'd not get it. Those who will adapt, will win. The others were just encrusting EvE and doing nothing more (for the Game, seen as sum of all its human parts) than using CPU and feeding money to CCP.
Now, others who rolled less FOTM choices ATM are doing quite fine. Without leaving the top populated <censored race> site, the first day past Tyrannis I got sent 2 jumps (hi sec) away. The second day to 1-2 jumps away. Yesterday 0 jumps away. The fun part is... we lost about 20 missioneers over these days. This means the "send away" mechanisms are not so steep and give it some weeks the situation should normalize (as long as they adapt instead of sitting like ducks and crying), including the "sent to low sec" bit.
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Any kind of 'strike' is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
I remember reading a book on evolution when I was a child. At a certain point there was a balloon on a dying creature: "Hello, Nature has selected you for extinction".
A legacy generation of unable to adapt barons is going to slowly fade. Enter the new guys who follow the EvE unwritten rules of "adapt or die!".
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Boogie Bobby
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Posted - 2010.06.04 08:15:00 -
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I agree that adapt or die is what happens with pretty much any change. I don't think there's all that much adapting to do here though. Move to a less populated system to avoid the jumping/low sec, change your ship/style to move away from looting for income.
The threshold of people in local to cause you to be sent 1 or more jumps must be pretty low though. My mission hub has depopulated since the patch but still with 30-40 in local I rarely get to stay there for a mission.
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RentableMuffin
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Posted - 2010.06.04 09:24:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 04/06/2010 07:25:00
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Mission-runners located near lowsec systems will find themselves sent to those lowsec systems extremely often, so they either keep postponing while they scratch their heads, or started moving further inside highsec before resuming missioning.
Mission runners had never to think beyond a chimpanze level.
They started the game as Caldari, farmed CN possibly at Motsu or a 0.5 border system, whined how there were too many hundreds of them in the same system (guess why!), whined about ninjas (guess where ninjas go... where the fishes are thicker), whined about horripilant LP / ISK ratios and... that's it. No other consequence.
Come Tyrannis, they have to begin thinking, to begin competing, to begin planning for better mission sites. This is overhelming for long time sclerotized brains. I spent *days* explaining the simple mission relocation mechanism and why it exists and why it's fundamental for the scalability of EvE and yet they'd not get it. Those who will adapt, will win. The others were just encrusting EvE and doing nothing more (for the Game, seen as sum of all its human parts) than using CPU and feeding money to CCP.
Now, others who rolled less FOTM choices ATM are doing quite fine. Without leaving the top populated <censored race> site, the first day past Tyrannis I got sent 2 jumps (hi sec) away. The second day to 1-2 jumps away. Yesterday 0 jumps away. The fun part is... we lost about 20 missioneers over these days. This means the "send away" mechanisms are not so steep and give it some weeks the situation should normalize (as long as they adapt instead of sitting like ducks and crying), including the "sent to low sec" bit.
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Any kind of 'strike' is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
I remember reading a book on evolution when I was a child. At a certain point there was a balloon on a dying creature: "Hello, Nature has selected you for extinction".
A legacy generation of unable to adapt barons is going to slowly fade. Enter the new guys who follow the EvE unwritten rules of "adapt or die!".
yes now they have to think cuz the motsu agent sends them 1 more jump on their missions
I run in a medium non-caldari hub, and well haven't gone further than 1 jump, although I missed a few days post patch. so could have missed some of the "settling" although I'm somewhat skeptical that sending people 2 jumps instead of 1 on most missions will do much for scalability. plus with the lowsec mission whining It might even make it worse as people flock to the hubs.
and pretty much ever since my trial I have avoided using agents anywhere near lowsec (heh jumping a caracal into lowsec to do a worlds collide level 1, that was brilliant! and no it didn't die, and yes I read the warning on the gate.)
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Gunnanmon
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.06.04 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: The Slagh you are seeing what you expect to see. the number of people running missions has not been affected significantly.
Presumably there are numbers somewhere to verify this statement. Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
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Estel Arador
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Posted - 2010.06.04 11:23:00 -
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Well I haven't run a single mission since Tyrannis was deployed, so you can count me for the 'stopped' category.
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Sintril
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Posted - 2010.06.04 12:08:00 -
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four things have been limiting and will continue to limit my mission running: (1) red dead redemption, (2) warm weather and sunshine (i now spend more time outside and away from my PC), (3) summer movie releases and (4) vacation travel. |
clixoras
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Posted - 2010.06.04 12:39:00 -
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i'm with the 'people see what they wanna see' group. It could be that there has been a slight decrease in MR due to people working out new routines, finding new agents. For instance i did see a decrease in macro activity, but that's been steadily rising.
What i totally refuse to believe is that high SP mission runners are looking for other professions (wh, plexes?) because a few m decrease in loot. It has to be questioned how many MR were reprocessing their loot anyway.
And even if,.. less MR, less m4 loot, higher prices and higher margins.
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SencneS
Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2010.06.04 15:35:00 -
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I can tell you that my corp which participated in mission busting (Not for salvage but for shooting the rats/stealing the bounties) are having a hard time finding missions now, not because probing was changed but because there is a lack of mission runners to find.
Why? Because we operated near Low-sec. Black Rise has a Constellation which is totally contained within high-sec. Meaning the level multiple level 3 and 4 mission hubs use to run all their missions within the Constellation. Now it doesn't, and according to a corp mate is often getting missions which take you into low-sec.
This is bad news for Black Rise as it was also a Faction Wars hub, and a decent number of NC alliances also have Low-Sec bases of operations in this region. That in combination of the region being mostly low-sec is heavily populated in Pirates, who pray on FW's pilots and Alliance nubblets. Almost all gates leading to high-sec in Black Rise are camped. So mission runners don't go into low-sec.
One of our pilots who pretty much does missions simple cancels the mission takes the corp standing hit and moves on. He says for every 6 missions there is 1 that leads to low-sec on average, so the high while big is recovered usually by the time the agent spits another low-sec mission at him. But he said he is thinking of moving systems to be at least 6 jumps away from low-sec.
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August Moondweller
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.04 16:38:00 -
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the most advised move for mission runners has been to blitz the missions.
im keeping meta 1 and 2 stuff now until meta 0 market crash, then ill check out if i should sell them or reprocess them.
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cosmoray
Bella Vista Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2010.06.04 16:38:00 -
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If you were a trader thinking about these changes some wise investments could be made.
If missions completed are going down, then total LP in circulation is lowered, meaning fewer?
Summer means slower months, means less everything, again less LP in circulation, meaning fewer?
Time to get those trading brains in gear.
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Azelle Storm'Eye
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Posted - 2010.06.04 17:50:00 -
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Heck the 9 agents I use to cycle through dont send me into lowsec more often than before even if most of them are within 2-3 jumps og a .3 or .4 system. And Im looting salvaging as Ive always done and will keep doing my thing with checking my stash every 3-4 months and see what is worth selling of the about 300.000m3 loot I collect in that timespan.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.04 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Diomedes Calypso I am seeing less supply coming to market from mission runners.
Mission-runners located near lowsec systems will find themselves sent to those lowsec systems extremely often, so they either keep postponing while they scratch their heads, or started moving further inside highsec before resuming missioning. Mission-runners are also experiencing a quantity drop in their usual juicy to-reprocess loot, so they might be a bit reluctant to keep looting unless meta-loot prices start going up a little bit. And stuff like that.
Quote: Think they're busy clicking on PI
Not before next Tuesday, they aren't.
There is some loot table readjustment (look the MDW/AB) too, so maybe that is that Diomedes is seeing is an effect of that.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.06.04 21:09:00 -
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yes now they have to think cuz the motsu agent sends them 1 more jump on their missions
Reading the desperate calls to arms, it looks like 1 more jump is 1 jump too much.
Anyway I am still doing my usual agent in 0.5 (near low sec), before Tyrannis he seldom sent me to low sec, past Tyrannis he has yet to do that... 120 to 160 in local, so...
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Cameron Cein
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Posted - 2010.06.04 23:07:00 -
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you talkin about the citadel rig components perhaps...?
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Diomedes Calypso
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Posted - 2010.06.05 01:10:00 -
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Well, among other things, LP reward items seem to have spiked
Were Lvl 5's in high sec a sizable portion of lp items coming to market?
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Boogie Bobby
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Posted - 2010.06.05 01:35:00 -
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Originally by: Diomedes Calypso Well, among other things, LP reward items seem to have spiked
Were Lvl 5's in high sec a sizable portion of lp items coming to market?
Not only LP, but a big source of tags.
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Chaos Dreams
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Posted - 2010.06.05 01:35:00 -
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Originally by: Diomedes Calypso Well, among other things, LP reward items seem to have spiked
Were Lvl 5's in high sec a sizable portion of lp items coming to market?
Quite probably. There were fewer people doing level 5's, but they they provided SUBSTANTIALLY more LP per mission. For example, a level 4 mission would reward about 5-6k give or take. A level 5 would often award me 72k LP. That's with good social skills, of course.
So one person doing 5's was worth 10 people doing 4's.
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RentableMuffin
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Posted - 2010.06.05 01:54:00 -
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Originally by: Chaos Dreams
Originally by: Diomedes Calypso Well, among other things, LP reward items seem to have spiked
Were Lvl 5's in high sec a sizable portion of lp items coming to market?
Quite probably. There were fewer people doing level 5's, but they they provided SUBSTANTIALLY more LP per mission. For example, a level 4 mission would reward about 5-6k give or take. A level 5 would often award me 72k LP. That's with good social skills, of course.
So one person doing 5's was worth 10 people doing 4's.
and what was the number of accounts used/completion time of your level 5s?
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Afra Raven
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Posted - 2010.06.05 12:17:00 -
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Edited by: Afra Raven on 05/06/2010 12:18:18 Edited by: Afra Raven on 05/06/2010 12:17:33 I could be wrong but from what i gathered huge amounts of large meta weapons are unloaded on the market, espcially Laser but also in smaller amounts Projectile Several options possible - someone is/was manipulating the market - extremly high droprate (like AB&MWD) with less runners - just slightly higher droprate with same or even more runners - some missions are given very high droprate on those large Laser - i¦m nuts and paranoid :)
Either way large Laser weapons market is crashing right now, already did in Jita yesterday. My best guess droprate changes by CCP...., so i wish runners would be on strike would get me a far better margin :)
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Business Ethics
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Posted - 2010.06.05 12:30:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray If you were a trader thinking about these changes some wise investments could be made.
If missions completed are going down, then total LP in circulation is lowered, meaning fewer?
Summer means slower months, means less everything, again less LP in circulation, meaning fewer?
Time to get those trading brains in gear.
Not only this but the traditional mission-oriented trade hubs (i.e. Motsu, Sivala, Arnon) may shift around again as new sweet spots are found. These changes always leads to swirling. Viewing the map by population density can help identify these new, organically forming hubs.
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