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Seraphiin
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Posted - 2010.06.04 07:31:00 -
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The contract system is BROKEN!
It is TOO easy for people to set up contracts asking for delivery of products to stations and then Denying accsess to those stations or having the contract lead to a station with only limited acsess.
After accepting a contract to such a station I was unable to deliver and thus defaulted on the contracts and forced to loose colateral. Contracts To stations with player control acsess should be AT MINIMUM flagged! unless something is done about this im gonna start posting contracts which cant physically be completed.
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Dizzy Degenerate
Super Serious Business
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Posted - 2010.06.04 07:42:00 -
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You mean to say that you didn't bother to check if you had docking rights before you accepted a contract. Whose fault is that? 
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Dorn Val
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Posted - 2010.06.04 07:42:00 -
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I thought that sort of thing was a known scam -if you could open the container you were contracted to haul you'd see that there's nothing but junk in it...
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Seraphiin
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Posted - 2010.06.04 07:51:00 -
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known or not known im only a two week old player. considering this could EASILY be fixed by having a little explination mark pop up next to the contract saying HEY! YOU CANT DO THIS! even if you are aware of the scam at least it would make it so you dont have to check info on EVERY station for EVERY contract you're considering.
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Idicious Lightbane
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2010.06.04 08:04:00 -
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You just check the contract, if the destination system is in a player controlled 0.0 system it's most likely a scam (the station name will also be something other than the usual, player given)
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2010.06.04 08:05:00 -
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Just negotiate blue with the station owners. Its not that hard and im sure they would happily set you as blue once you explained to them what had happened. Eve players are generally quite nice people if you ask nicely.
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Dorn Val
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Posted - 2010.06.04 08:07:00 -
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 Originally by: Lana Torrin
...Eve players are generally quite nice people if you ask nicely.
This.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.06.04 08:07:00 -
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ITT: "I accepted a contract without reading the fine print."
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Seraphiin
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Posted - 2010.06.04 08:28:00 -
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Its impossible to negotiate terms with the station owner when the only language people are speaking in the system is Russian. I cant tell you how difficult it is trying to individually contact the contract maker as well as every single person in local while dogeing death squads trying to kill me.
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Clytamnestra
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2010.06.04 08:37:00 -
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Originally by: Seraphiin
Its impossible to negotiate terms with the station owner when the only language people are speaking in the system is Russian. I cant tell you how difficult it is trying to individually contact the contract maker as well as every single person in local while dogeing death squads trying to kill me.
Try this: http://translate.google.com/#en|ru|Set%20me%20blue%20please.
And then get back to me, I'm dying to know how it works.
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Gladys Pank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.06.04 09:49:00 -
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Blindly pushing buttons is not how to play Eve. Learning rudimentary mechanics is.
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Seraphiin
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Posted - 2010.06.04 10:08:00 -
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all im saying is this could have easily been avoided by making it more visible when your destination is unreachable.
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Gladys Pank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.06.04 10:12:00 -
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Originally by: Seraphiin
all im saying is this could have easily been avoided by making it more visible when your destination is unreachable.
All other people are pointing out that you can see the destination station before accepting the contract.
Why did you assume you had the right to dock at alliance owned outposts?
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Abulurd Boniface
Gallente
0ccam's Razor Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.04 10:12:00 -
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Originally by: Seraphiin
known or not known im only a two week old player.
You're here for just two weeks, you get a free masterclass in EVE and you -complain-?!?
You were generously taught, by someone who was under no obligation whatsoever to do so, how to be a better EVE capsuleer, and instead of sending them a humble thank you note you come here and kvetch about it like a WoW-player who didn't get his tchotchkes...
Is here for two weeks, gets free instruction on higher-level contract scams before he even -knows- what an industrial is, starts the whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaambulance for the -entire- world to see.
Some people, really, I just do not understand them.
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Seraphiin
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Posted - 2010.06.04 10:13:00 -
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and speaking of easily fixable things. they really should add more options when filtering courier contracts. such as maximum cargo space and sorting locations by proximity to you rather than alphabetically etc... right now its kind of a mess.
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Seraphiin
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Posted - 2010.06.04 10:24:00 -
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in response to glady there is nothing and I mean NOTHING in the game that had indicated to me so far in the game that players had the right to deny docking rights to full space stations (i obviously stand corrected). I had made several contracts to smilarly player owned stations in the past. Im not disagreeing that I made a mistake. ALL im stating is the mistake could have been avoided and will be repeated by other noobs in the future unless some minor adjustments are made to the contract interface. just adding a little checkmark by the destination when viewing a contract would only help prevent new players from repeating my mistake and make it so players in general can see if they have docking rights or not at a glance.
that said those of you who made constructive comments it is appreciated.
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Asuka Smith
Gallente
StarHunt
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Posted - 2010.06.04 10:30:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
ITT: "I accepted a contract without reading the fine print."
 guys look I know I signed an ARM that adjusted to 300% 9 months later but I have never bought a house before  and the contract was sooooo long  they oughta pass a law or sumthin' 
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.04 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: Seraphiin
Its impossible to negotiate terms with the station owner when the only language people are speaking in the system is Russian.
 Wow, you got ****d with no lube
Originally by: a51 duke1406
The girls just dont understand that sunday is pvp night, not cuddle on the couch watching tv night.
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Alun Hughes
The Dark Horses
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Posted - 2010.06.04 11:01:00 -
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Originally by: Seraphiin
known or not known im only a two week old player. considering this could EASILY be fixed by having a little explination mark pop up next to the contract saying HEY! YOU CANT DO THIS! even if you are aware of the scam at least it would make it so you dont have to check info on EVERY station for EVERY contract you're considering.
Well if your new you should thank them as they taught you a lesson. In eve treat every deal like its a scam...cause it is.
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Alun Hughes
The Dark Horses
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Posted - 2010.06.04 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: Seraphiin
in response to glady there is nothing and I mean NOTHING in the game that had indicated to me so far in the game that players had the right to deny docking rights to full space stations
Its a game mechanic its in any eve info website and in the Help files. Just cause you did read about the game before you stated playing or asked someone its no ones fault but yours. I suggest you either read how the game works, or quit...cause eve is huge and hard (like my weiner!lololol) and cold. You with your complaining don't seem cut out for the game.
Never has this been said more srsly than now!
GO BACK TO WOW!
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Grimpak
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.06.04 11:09:00 -
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Originally by: Asuka Smith
Originally by: Grimpak
ITT: "I accepted a contract without reading the fine print."
guys look I know I signed an ARM that adjusted to 300% 9 months later but I have never bought a house before and the contract was sooooo long they oughta pass a law or sumthin'
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ISK1machine
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Posted - 2010.06.04 11:12:00 -
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I am pretty sure that if you convoed the contracter he would be kind enough to offer you intel etc for you to come in.And in case you used a jump freighter,he would be kind enough to offer you a cyno into that system where all his buddies would wait for you to...
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Alun Hughes
The Dark Horses
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Posted - 2010.06.04 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: Intense Thinker
Originally by: Seraphiin
Its impossible to negotiate terms with the station owner when the only language people are speaking in the system is Russian.
Wow, you got ****d with no lube
Isnt that exactly how the recesion started?
People like the OP probably cary a balance on their credit card and just pay minimum. |
SFX Bladerunner
Minmatar
Bite me inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.04 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: Seraphiin
known or not known im only a two week old player. considering this could EASILY be fixed by having a little explination mark pop up next to the contract saying HEY! YOU CANT DO THIS! even if you are aware of the scam at least it would make it so you dont have to check info on EVERY station for EVERY contract you're considering.
I too wish CCP would hold newbie's hands more so they would never have to learn from their mistakes and actually form some sort of logical reasoning matrix in their brains to prevent them from making silly mistakes.
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Modahn Etch
Buggers' Advanced Interstellar Transport
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Posted - 2010.06.04 11:31:00 -
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This was a good read!
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.04 11:38:00 -
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Edited by: Marko Riva on 04/06/2010 11:43:02
OP, welcome to EVE. EVE is about learning to not make mistakes, most new players aren't used to a harsh system like that, they're used to the game protecting them or at least GM's reversing anything bad. Not so in EVE.
There's several ways to not make mistakes;
1) read/ask/think before you do
2) get burnt really badly (and learn from the experience)
You have chosen option 2, everyone does the first few times and it WILL hurt. The trick is to get up again, brush yourself off, learn from the experience and (hopefully, but many can't seem to make that step) stop choosing to do option 2 but instead learn to use #1.
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You'll find that whining like a ****** pointing fingers elsewhere doesn't get you a useful response in EVE and might even attract unwanted attention. If you want to survive EVE you're better off to ask questions in a normal manner and show that you are willing to learn. We EVE players are a weird bunch, we'll **** you over repeatedly just for the fun of it but if you show that you're capable of rational thought we'll also gladly help you.
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ImRedYoureDead
Trust Doesn't Rust
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.06.04 12:22:00 -
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You accepted a contract without doing the research first... if you did this in the real world you would probably be screwed with little or no ground to stand on. Eve cotnracts are exactly the same.
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James Tritanius
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Posted - 2010.06.04 12:54:00 -
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I agree wuth OP on the fact that the contract should have a warning label stating that he may not have access to the destination station.
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Zeta Zhul
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.06.04 12:56:00 -
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Well if we're discussing noob wishes then can I put in a unique me-only button that will instantly destroy all of my enemies, including NPCs, everywhere and anywhere along with insta-looting/salvaging that puts all, nicely sorted, into my items window?
It ain't much to ask is it?
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James Tritanius
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Posted - 2010.06.04 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Zeta Zhul
Well if we're discussing noob wishes then can I put in a unique me-only button that will instantly destroy all of my enemies, including NPCs, everywhere and anywhere along with insta-looting/salvaging that puts all, nicely sorted, into my items window?
It ain't much to ask is it?
Nice slippery slope-esque argument there, bud.
So you sincerely believe that there is absolutely no difference between a fair warning label and your "I-win-button?" If so, then you are the most spectacular idiot that I have ever encountered. If not, then why the hell are you asking that question?
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2010.06.04 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: James Tritanius
Originally by: Zeta Zhul
Well if we're discussing noob wishes then can I put in a unique me-only button that will instantly destroy all of my enemies, including NPCs, everywhere and anywhere along with insta-looting/salvaging that puts all, nicely sorted, into my items window?
It ain't much to ask is it?
Nice slippery slope-esque argument there, bud.
So you sincerely believe that there is absolutely no difference between a fair warning label and your "I-win-button?" If so, then you are the most spectacular idiot that I have ever encountered. If not, then why the hell are you asking that question?
I think you will find the majority of people that read these boards are all for doing away with ALL warnings in the game.
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Aqriue
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Posted - 2010.06.04 13:46:00 -
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After accepting a contract to such a station I was unable to deliver and thus defaulted on the contracts and forced to loose colateral.
Check the fine print and stop being stupid. When in doubt, right clicking can solve any answer in EVE. Open contract, look at destination, right click---> set AP, check the systems along the route, consider your options. Never accept a contract into nullsec unless your in an alliance for that area. Never accept a contract for obscene amounts of collateral and fly it in a T1 industrial with a buffer less then an unfitted cruiser because you will be shot as soon as you exit the station (knew a guy who bought plex, sold them, accepted 600mil collateral for 5 million payout, and was popped as soon as he exited Jita 4-4. 2 Free months for the ganker )
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DuKackBoon
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Posted - 2010.06.04 16:49:00 -
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Edited by: DuKackBoon on 04/06/2010 16:49:11
Words of advice:
-When you hit the undock button, consider your ship and everything in it destroyed. Also you agree to be shot at by anyone when you hit undock.
-Don't fly what you can't afford to lose.
-Don't fly what you can't afford to lose.
-DON'T fly what you can't afford to lose.
-Don't accept courier contracts to 0.0, those are usually scams.
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Amanda Eidolo
Adamantine Resolve
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Posted - 2010.06.04 20:09:00 -
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Right-Click
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Special Projects Executive
The Obsidian Legion
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Posted - 2010.06.04 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: Lana Torrin
Just negotiate blue with the station owners. Its not that hard and im sure they would happily set you as blue once you explained to them what had happened. Eve players are generally quite nice people if you ask nicely.
Especially Lana. She's one of the nicest people I know.
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari
Kumiho's Smile
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Posted - 2010.06.04 20:27:00 -
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Seraphiin:
Yes, CCP does not include everything you need to know in order to never, ever get in trouble in the tutorials, and just because information on something exists doesn't mean that you have any idea that you need to go looking for it.
You were ignorant. You got burned. You are no longer ignorant. It doesn't feel so great now, but then, neither did the battlecruiser I lost as a rank noob to learn that you don't just randomly accept gang invitations even in highsec.
Eve is a deep, deep game. A year from now, you still will not know everything. There are remarkably few safeguards, and trickery is routine. That is the game we play.
Fly paranoid. Learn the tricks that threaten you, and how to avoid them-- or exploit them yourself.
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captain foivos
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Posted - 2010.06.04 22:31:00 -
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Seraphiin: you're an idiot.
Under current game mechanics, you're an idiot.
Having known you briefly during your two weeks playing EVE, I can definitely say you're an idiot.
Also, posting a rant about game mechanics and not saying who defrauded you in the contract in the Crime and Punishment section is a crime and being called an idiot is the punishment.
TL;DR you're an idiot.
However I do think that a "You can't deliver to here" warning in a contract similar to a "Your ship size is not allowed in this mission" would be nice.
That doesn't change the fact that I also think the ability to scam in this game is really nice. Don't think I'm getting soft or anything.
Originally by: CCP Shadow
If you're going to quote me that's great, but it must be something I've actually said. Shadow.
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