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Azshann
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Posted - 2010.06.04 21:16:00 -
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Edited by: Azshann on 04/06/2010 21:16:34 I was doing quite a bit of reading about freighters, as I was planning to train for one, but I've come to the conclusion that it is currently not worth it.
If you carry too much cargo, you WILL be suicide ganked. In other words, a freighter can't do what it is supposed to do.
If you carry too little cargo (to reduce the gank chance by 99.999999%), you may as well use an Iteron Mark V when you factor in the align and warp times, and make several trips.
In low sec and null sec, you can hire escort equipped with ECM bursts and smartbombs for drones. If you use these in high sec, your escort(s) get destroyed as well.
So my question is, how would I protect a freighter in high sec? Should I train for one or stick to my Ity V, Occulator and Viator.
Which Freighter should I train for?
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Caleidascope
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.06.04 21:19:00 -
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Manual flying still works, use it.
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Stick Cult
Unspoken Autonomy.
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Posted - 2010.06.04 21:24:00 -
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I've flowm freighter fulls of fullerites and polymers, or a few whole pos's around before, at least a few billion in each trip, from Jita to random places. I've never been ganked, or have a gank attempted on me. There are only a few places where getting ganked is a problem, and that's the 0.5 systems on major routes, like between Amarr and Jita, Niarja is a big gank hub. You can avoid it, or go through, personally I've never had any problems.
As for an escort, I still think the best one is a small group of frigates, maybe jamming frigates, that web you at every warp. The webbing makes you align faster, if you do it right, making your align from almost a minute to maybe 10 seconds.
As for which freighter, I don't think it matters. IIRC, the charon has the most capacity and the minmatar one aligns fastest, but in the end the differences are kinda small.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad.
Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Azshann
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Posted - 2010.06.04 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Caleidascope Manual flying still works, use it.
You apparently don't know how dumb that sounds when we're talking about professional gankers (corps that do it for a living).
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Bud Johnson
Rapscallions
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Posted - 2010.06.04 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Caleidascope Manual flying still works, use it.
Jump to zero helps but you are still a juicy target (and not a difficult one to kill) if you are carrying enough candy.
Your best bet would be to have a scout a jump ahead. Even if you don't have an alt you can spare a few isk from that gigantic hold and make some rookie happy. Have him watch for battleships sitting on the gate, usually running sensor boosters. Avoid anything that looks like it could take you.
If you want to carry around full freighters with a billion isk in potential profit in the hold you are going to have to compromise on safety. Or you can make less isk, take more trips, and not take the risk of getting ganked.
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ShahFluffers
Gallente Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2010.06.04 21:41:00 -
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Pro-tips to flying a freighter:
- Never use Auto-pilot -- NEVER use Auto-pilot --- NEVER EVER use Auto-pilot
- Train up your skills that relate to agility so you can align and warp faster (i.e. Evasive Maneuvering, Spaceship Command, Advanced Spaceship Command, etc) - Train up skills that increase your ability to "tank" (i.e. Hull Upgrades, Mechanic, Shield Upgrades)
- Use a scout to see if the way is clear (scout can either a friend or an alt) -- Use said scout to web you while you are aligning to the next gate (only works if you are in the same corp)
- NEVER EVER fly a freighter into low-null without considerable combat support (scouts, ECM, RR battleships, etc).
As for the different freighters... here's each one's pros/cons:
Charon (Caldari): Most cargo space, slowest speed (in warp and subwarp). Obelisk (Gallente): Most EHP, second slowest in speed and align time Fenrir (Minmitar): Highest agility, least cargo space. Providence (Amarr): Even-ish damage resistances, slowest to align _______________________
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Caleidascope
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.06.04 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: Azshann
Originally by: Caleidascope Manual flying still works, use it.
You apparently don't know how dumb that sounds when we're talking about professional gankers (corps that do it for a living).
While you at it, avoid the Gal Fed-Minmatar border around Colelie.
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Mordican
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Posted - 2010.06.04 22:00:00 -
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You have to want to gank something worth more these days to break even with the insurance adustments, but it will still happen. Scouts and webbing are still the best tricks of the trade for highsec if you are worried about it.
Until CCP removes GCC resulting insurance payouts this will always be an issue.
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Ekrid
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Posted - 2010.06.04 22:04:00 -
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Edited by: Ekrid on 04/06/2010 22:05:18 Or you could use freighters to haul bulk cargo that has a lower price tag per cubic meter, like say, ore or ships, and use a transport or indy on WTZ and fast align for expensive small things, Or even use a Frig or cruiser for expensive small things. people tend to ignore combat frigs that have been modified for transport.
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RentableMuffin
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Posted - 2010.06.04 23:00:00 -
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keep the cargo value lowish, I'd imagine up to about 2bil would be safe now.
and of course having a webby ship around will help a lot. rapier/huggin would be best.
best ship for moving around a bunch of battleships/battle cruisers.
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Syds Sinclair
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Posted - 2010.06.04 23:20:00 -
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..I sold my freighter. I just couldn't get over the paranoia of being ganked with 2b or so in my hold. Now I just contract everything to Red Frog Investments. They are the best, cheap rates, fast service, can't beat em.
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Cambarus
The Compass Reloaded
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Posted - 2010.06.05 00:19:00 -
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I've said it before and I'll say it again: If you're carrying more than twice the ship's value in its cargohold, expect to get ganked. There are ways to minimize this risk but for the most part you'll still be at risk with a freighter. Really though, if you're moving more than 2bil worth of loot, you should be planning ahead and moving near DT anyway. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint |
ChrisIsherwood
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Posted - 2010.06.05 01:00:00 -
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I am a nub but is a scout ship really that valuable? It alerts you if there are 25 T1 BS belonging to the "We Be Pirates" corp around a gate at a chokepoint. But cloaked ships and passive target painters further up the pipeline and just-in-time assemble your fleet seems possible as I am assuming freighter ganks are usually not some bored friends for lols but more organized and planned.
The other thing that is mentioned in these sorts of threads is an EHP ORCA. Ammo in fitted ships and ore bay are nice. An unscannable corp hangar that is guaranteed to not drop loot for the pirates does at least complicate the pirates break-even calculation.
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Maewei Balducci
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Posted - 2010.06.05 01:36:00 -
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yeah, i talked about this type of thing on another forum, and the answers where all the same : get an orca if you want to fly afk with something of value, do you think the same here ?
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.06.05 01:43:00 -
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Manually make a route that bypasses all the normal gank points and leaves you in a backwater system a jump or so away from whatever hub you were going to. Then set the autopilot and minimise the client then go do something fun so you can enjoy the profits when you came back later and dump your goods. Easiest isk in the game tbh.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Originally by: Marchocias + = +
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Zill
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.06.05 08:12:00 -
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Funny people talk bout freighters getting ganked, I see a doz freighters sitting idle at gates all time in some places I travel. Life for them today is far to easy compared to 3 years ago, when GF used ot hunt them. Now the miner bots got highsec made safe.
Dont tell people your traveling or what your moving an your only subject to the randoms. Even then it takes 20+ BS to kill a freighter. So if you see a large amount of ships near, leg it soonest. Is that easy
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1600 RT
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Posted - 2010.06.05 08:40:00 -
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the day you will have to move 80 millions of mineral in high sec you will regret to dont have that freighter, no one will suicide ganka freighter for some tritanium pyerite with a few zidryne or megacyte. of course if you pretent to pick a freighter and go afk to jita with the cargohold filled with morphite or moon minerals you will get ganked. 1- a corpmate with a couple of web its the same of a insta-warp at any gate. 2-with tyrannis suicide ganking is now more expensive, this mean they will have to spend alot more isk than before.
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Backho
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Posted - 2010.06.05 11:59:00 -
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use a cloak and mwd. any ship can fit it, and its incredibly good when u see abit too many people around the gate.
NEVER go into jita by new caldari side. people camp there with lots of jetcans which can screw you.
use a different exit, and USE CLOAK.
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Ninetails o'Cat
League of Super Evil
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Posted - 2010.06.05 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Backho use a cloak and mwd. any ship can fit it, and its incredibly good when u see abit too many people around the gate.
NEVER go into jita by new caldari side. people camp there with lots of jetcans which can screw you.
use a different exit, and USE CLOAK.
I too like to fit a cloak and MWD on my freighter, along with a DC for extra EHP.
Oh, wait...
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Sagacious Z
Minmatar Megaton m3 Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.05 13:53:00 -
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Edited by: Sagacious Z on 05/06/2010 13:55:46 Edited by: Sagacious Z on 05/06/2010 13:54:51
Originally by: Backho use a cloak and mwd. any ship can fit it, and its incredibly good when u see abit too many people around the gate.
I too thought of that so I ordered my mechanics to install a MWD and a cloak on my freighter. It seemed to be taking them a long time to get the damn things installed. So, I called a meeting and had a sit down with my team and they complained they were having some trouble figuring out how to do that.
I gave them some more time, but a week went by and STILL, they reported that they did not get those modules installed. I got very angry and fired every last one of them. I hired a new team of mechanics and they assured me they would do a great job for me if I hired them. More time went by, and ..... same old song and dance. Still not done. What's with workers now today? Have they lost their work ethic? They are certified mechanics so I figured they knew what they were doing. This new group is as bad as the old group I fired. All I get is lip service and jaw boning about when the job will be done, even though the seem to install other modules on other ships in an instant snap.
If anybody out there knows of any subcontractor that can install a MWD and a cloak on my freighter, please let me know. I am going to fire this second group of mechanics any day now, and I WANT THAT FREIGHTER EQUIPPPED NOW!!!
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VeryNice
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Posted - 2010.06.09 04:26:00 -
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Um freighter cans? Um what's in there I dunno should I gank it I dunno is it worth it I dunno oh crap what if its empty I dunno and yeah not evreything fits in them big azz cans I know just stfu and play
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Culmen
Caldari Blood Phage Syndicate Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2010.06.09 04:39:00 -
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This is why I love Jump Freighters. Wonderful you can just jump past major gank hubs/choke points. Only thing to fear are those suicide dreadnought.
PS was not kidding about those suicide dreadnoughts, there were cases where dreads were cynoed in just to kill a JF caught outside of a POS shield. Not sure how cost effective they are post insurance nerf. and further more why do i even need a sig? |
Forum Paster
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Posted - 2010.06.09 05:16:00 -
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Originally by: VeryNice Um freighter cans? Um what's in there I dunno should I gank it I dunno is it worth it I dunno oh crap what if its empty I dunno and yeah not evreything fits in them big azz cans I know just stfu and play
Cargo scanners can see right through cans. However, they seem to have trouble seeing through the "courier packages."
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Mrs Azathoth
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Posted - 2010.06.09 05:29:00 -
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Originally by: Forum Paster
Originally by: VeryNice Um freighter cans? Um what's in there I dunno should I gank it I dunno is it worth it I dunno oh crap what if its empty I dunno and yeah not evreything fits in them big azz cans I know just stfu and play
Cargo scanners can see right through cans. However, they seem to have trouble seeing through the "courier packages."
Sorry but you are wrong. I did many tests to know what exactly works for avoiding scans. Actually , to put the item in your cargo , in a contener ( secure or not ) or in a courrier package is the same. The cargo scanner have the avaibility to go through 2 level before beiing stoped. First one should be your cargo , the seconde either the contener or the package. it still not effective. BUT if you can make 3 levels , the scan will stop at the second. So basicly if you put a contener in a courrier or, a courrier in a contener , the scan wont be abble to read your item which will be in the third one ;)
I dont know why this isnt well knowed by evryone.
With this i think nobody will gank you without knowing what you are carrying ;) I hope i helped you.
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.06.09 06:54:00 -
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Someone in the Assembly hall uses an in corp Rapier and 2 ECM bursting alts to escort their freighter. The Rapier launches you into warp instantly and the ECM bursts are used to break the battleship/tackler locks if they aggress you before you can warp. He apparently times them 4 seconds apart to try and maximize the time the BS's can't lock. FYI, Cal BS does affect ECM bursts on the Scorp...
You can also pre-spawn concord before the freighter decloaks (fit a heavy tank because they might just try to volley you to keep Concord from spawning).... ;-)
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire |
SirRalph
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Posted - 2010.06.09 08:20:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
You can also pre-spawn concord before the freighter decloaks (fit a heavy tank because they might just try to volley you to keep Concord from spawning).... ;-)
-Liang
That's stated as exploit. Been that for like 3 years now.
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Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.06.09 08:57:00 -
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Originally by: Azshann
If you carry too much cargo, you WILL be suicide ganked. In other words, a freighter can't do what it is supposed to do.
If you carry too little cargo (to reduce the gank chance by 99.999999%), you may as well use an Iteron Mark V when you factor in the align and warp times, and make several trips.
if you mean by "too much cargo" too expensive cargo, then yes .. another ship might be a good idea. freighters are reasonable safe to transport high volume/low value stuff (and by low value i just mean less than one or two billions for a whole freighter load)
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Faffywaffy
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Posted - 2010.06.09 10:36:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren Someone in the Assembly hall uses an in corp Rapier...
-Liang
Why use a puny rapier with its weakling 60% webs when you can use a daredevil/cruor with their mighty 90% webs?
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Soliscout
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Posted - 2010.06.09 12:44:00 -
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dont worry too much about getting ganked...its not that those 2 ravens and the tempest are killing you at the gate.
Dont fill up that freighter with 25 billion of stuff and you should be fine.
I usually fly around with 1-3 bil of stuff in my carbon (its the new charon..get yours at jita 4-4 today) and i never got ganked, or at least attacked..
Btw: my freighter was fitted with the following:
carbon
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Kyo Haku
Minmatar Murientor Tribe
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Posted - 2010.06.09 13:30:00 -
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You need protection... In high sec...
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