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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.07.07 13:27:00 -
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As a revolutionary, I for one am quite content for my foes to regard me as 'no threat'.
Pray continue to believe as much.
The Cosmopolite
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Archbishop
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.07 13:42:00 -
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Edited by: Archbishop on 07/07/2010 13:44:05
Originally by: The Cosmopolite Nothing has been confirmed here except that Archbishop's command of the facts is as shaky as his command of anything other than a cloaking Bestower.
The Amarrian nationalist definition of 'pirate' really doesn't mean anything anymore. Not that it has had a meaning other than 'people we don't like' for many years.
The Cosmopolite
I think everyone here knows a pirate when they see one. He's the guy who sits at gates ganking everyone who flies by without so much as a word.
You know... Like The Final Stand... The pirate allies in your Star Fraction Pirate Coalition. As Jade has indicated there was no issue leading to DX4 leaving SF and Tomahawk has confirmed it was to be part of.a pirate coalition that would still have SF flying with its brethern its clear you now place yourselves in that class.
Many of us have long believed you are simply pirates who use fancy language and spin about "anarchy" to justify their often quite random violence. Now we can look forward to plain old piracy without the spin.
This is a refreshing change.
Archbishop
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.07.07 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop While some DX4 pilots have spoken publically about it...
They contracted what you claimed and exposed you as a rather foolish looking liar. No great change there then.
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.07.07 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop
As I said the information I had about the internal strife of the Star Fraction came secondhand. While some DX4 pilots have spoken publically about it and the "trend" matches previous examples of SF breakups again its all secondhand. If Jade and Cosmo wish to state it isn't true and are instead acknowledging that the breakup of SF corps was due to the forming of a pirate coalition (as they now have) that's fine with me.
The Star Fraction has a long and colorful history of aligning with piratical elements. In the past though they've always sought to deny this and claimed they weren't. To now see them step forward and proudly proclaim not only are the pirates but they are also co-founder of this new pirate coalition is refreshing.
While I deplore piracy I must commend the Star Fraction on this occasion for having found the courage to face the truth about themselves. While piracy is of course a great sin being true to yourself and not lying about is commendable. Now we see the anarchists stand to proudly proclaim their status as members of a pirate coalition. Refreshing honesty from an alliance not exactly known for it.
Another pack of lies.
I don't know about refreshing honesty but the falsehoods from Archbishop are getting rather stale.
There has been no 'internal strife' with DX4. DX4 left because they wished to operate outside of the Star Fraction's RoE. That's quite fine.
There is no 'pirate coalition' being formed here. There is, rather, a free Providence region with various entities in Providence allied to one another.
But, again, if Archbishop wants to call that a 'pirate coalition' then by the same logic he must call the CVA and its recently acquired allies a 'pirate coalition' too. Or he's just a disgusting hypocrite.
The truth is that the Star Fraction are not pirates and do not shoot neutrals.
If I adopted Archbishop's style of debate and logic there is much I could say about PIE and if he or any of his comrades were to deny it they would be hypocrites of the blackest die without they repudiated the nonsense Archbishop puts about on the basis of his twisted logic.
But I won't do that. I've made my point about Archbishop's logic (if his twisting and falsehoods can be dignified with that status). I won't stoop to his level. What we all see here is that Archsbishop proceeds from rumours and innuendo to lies and slanders without any sense of shame. That is the 'spiritual' guidance that Archbishop represents.
The Cosmopolite
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.07.07 13:52:00 -
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Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 07/07/2010 13:52:31
Originally by: Archbishop
I think everyone here knows a pirate when they see one. He's the guy who sits at gates ganking everyone who flies by without so much as a word.
Like so many of the CVA's allies you mean?
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You know... Like The Final Stand... The pirate allies in your Star Fraction Pirate Coalition. As Jade has indicated there was no issue leading to DX4 leaving SF and Tomahawk has confirmed it was to be part of.a pirate coalition that would still have SF flying with its brethern its clear you now place yourselves in that class.
Tomahawk confirmed no such thing. You're telling lies about him.
Jade Constantine confirmed no such thing. You're telling lies about her.
The Star Fraction are not pirates and we do not shoot neutrals. You're telling lies about the Star Fraction.
You were caught repeating false rumours without any thought and caught spinning them into lies. You backed yourself into a corner on this one. Your response? To try and lie yourself out of the situation. So much for being a 'spiritual director'. You're nothing but a mountebank who lies by reflex action.
Just stop telling lies. If you can.
The Cosmopolite
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Archbishop
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.07 14:01:00 -
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I am pleased that the Star Fraction is now going to be honest about being pirate coalition members. I guess now the question is who is the "Pirate Queen"? After all we have the galaxys biggest ego and the galaxays biggest nutcase now in the same pirate coalition.
Archbishop
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.07 14:10:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 07/07/2010 14:10:54 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 07/07/2010 14:10:35 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 07/07/2010 14:10:23
I really don't know why the claim that Star Fraction co-operates with pirates is so controversial.
Tatusue Nuko (who knows a thing or two about SF) once confirmed that "The Star Fraction does not shy away from co-operating with pirates when it is beneficial for the revolution to do so" and of course Jade herself has previously implied that she's more than happy for SF to provide cynosural fields for pirate capital ships when it furthers her alliance's aims.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.07.07 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake I really don't know why the claim that Star Fraction co-operates with pirates is so controversial.
Its the lies around the claims and the constant near-meltdown/breakdown nonsense your spiritual director insists on coughing up onto Galnet that helps keep it fruity.
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.07.07 14:20:00 -
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The controversy is not about working with those who may be pirates against common foes. After all, the CVA do it and I have seen some sights involving PIE pilots in my time, to be sure.
The controversy is that Archbishop is claiming we are pirates, a false claim; he is claiming that we are members of a 'pirate coalition', a false claim; he is claiming that we have admitted being pirates, a false claim; he is claiming that we have admitted being part of a 'pirate coalition', a false claim.
He just spews these false claims out while ignoring all sense and rationality.
Defend him if you wish, Blake, it just proves that PIE as a whole is tainted by this man's lies.
Originally by: Archbishop
I am pleased that the Star Fraction is now going to be honest about being pirate coalition members. I guess now the question is who is the "Pirate Queen"? After all we have the galaxys biggest ego and the galaxays biggest nutcase now in the same pirate coalition.
Another lie.
Stop telling lies, Archbishop, or your soul may burn for a very long time...
The Cosmopolite
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Icarus3
Gallente DAEDALUS X The Final Stand.
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Posted - 2010.07.07 17:37:00 -
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Edited by: Icarus3 on 07/07/2010 17:39:02
Originally by: Archbishop
I'm sure just like the Stimulus guys who left your group and now speak negatively about you we'll eventually see this from some of the more honest DX4 pilots.
I find it quite amusing how you feel you have the authority to once again speak on behalf of DX4. Again! I urge you to hold your tongue.
The day we allow an Amarr slave supporter to speak for us is the day I disband the corporaiton and we all go our seperate ways... don't count on that happening any time soon
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Archbishop
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.08 00:31:00 -
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Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Originally by: Archbishop You know... Like The Final Stand... The pirate allies in your Star Fraction Pirate Coalition. As Jade has indicated there was no issue leading to DX4 leaving SF and Tomahawk has confirmed it was to be part of.a pirate coalition that would still have SF flying with its brethern its clear you now place yourselves in that class.
Tomahawk confirmed no such thing. You're telling lies about him.
Jade Constantine confirmed no such thing. You're telling lies about her.
The Star Fraction are not pirates and we do not shoot neutrals. You're telling lies about the Star Fraction.
You were caught repeating false rumours without any thought and caught spinning them into lies. You backed yourself into a corner on this one. Your response? To try and lie yourself out of the situation. So much for being a 'spiritual director'. You're nothing but a mountebank who lies by reflex action.
Just stop telling lies. If you can.
The Cosmopolite
Actually Cosmo I did see the confirmation by Tomahawk who was a former member of the Star Fraction. You'll see back on page 2 of this thread he talks about how leaving the Star Fraction and being in a coalition means you're now part of a pirate coalition. You'll note he even mentions Bane another well known pirate alliance.
No what we have here is clearcut evidence and an admission by a former Star Fraction alliance corporation leader that pilots leaving the Star Fraction are simply joining a pirate coalition and "tags don't matter". He even compares it to pilots leaving PIE and joining other loyalist corporations who we fly with.
As you can see by the quote below he's quite clear in what he's saying. He's saying there is an official "coalition" of pirates. He's also clearly saying the tags on your ships mean little and you'll continue flying with them and they'll continue flying with Star Fraction pilots.
Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
Originally by: Archbishop --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
the fact your alliance is falling apart and your most active members are leaving isn't really an effective tactic when you've been completely exposed.
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I think you misunderstand how supporting a coalition works. you think tags matter? people change depending on the job at hand. in fact, how many PIE pilots have gone and worked for other Amarr loyalist groups but remained in the fold and fought along side their brethren?
go on and try to cause some damage to The Star Fraction and you can see first hand how "falling apart" adding another whole alliance has been.
maybe you missed the whole Coalition part? possibly getting your golden butts blasted off by Bane and Mode in Amamake everyday has made you confused.
Given these pirates also have secured offices in and around your outpost and the fact they don't fire on you (while shooting everyone else) makes it very clear you are in league with them.
I have to say it's pretty easy to catch the Star Fraction in their hypocrisy. All you need to do is sit around and wait for them to open their mouths and something (like this pirate coalition confession) will come out. I'm sure Tomahawk didn't mean to spill the beans on the true situation here and you'll try some spin-like damage control but the truth is out.
The Star Fraction Pirate Coalition (SFPC) is now open for business in Providence.
Archbishop
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Graelyn
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2010.07.08 01:01:00 -
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Well, I..uh...didn't actually expect them to say it out loud.
Hehheh.
Now to just sit back, relax, and enjoy the backspin, along with this exquisite sandwich. *displays proudly*
*munch munch*
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.07.08 01:26:00 -
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Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 08/07/2010 01:32:34
It's just more lies from Archbishop.
He lies about there being a 'pirate coalition': there is no such coalition in Providence (well, there's the CVA and its pirate allies but he doesn't call that a 'pirate coalition' such is his hypocrisy). He lies about what Tomahawk Bliss's words mean: Tomahawk Bliss is not talking about a 'pirate coalition' rather he is talking of the Providence allies which includes the Ushra'Khan and others. He lies about the Star Fraction: the Star Fraction are not pirates and do not shoot neutrals.
It is just non-stop lies.
There's no point even engaging with it. I see no need to say anymore than that he lies and anyone who reads him critically will see it. He provides all the evidence for his mendacity himself, that's how ridiculous he is. Not only does he lie and lie and lie. He's simply bad at it.
Stop lying, Archbishop, for the sake of everyone who does not wish to view the spectacle of a sad old man who has so lost his dignity that he repeatedly exposes himself and furiously engages in the Sin of Onan while gibbering crazed lies.
The Cosmopolite
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Archbishop
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.08 02:53:00 -
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Edited by: Archbishop on 08/07/2010 02:53:44
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
It's just more lies from Archbishop.
He lies about there being a 'pirate coalition': there is no such coalition in Providence (well, there's the CVA and its pirate allies but he doesn't call that a 'pirate coalition' such is his hypocrisy). He lies about what Tomahawk Bliss's words mean: Tomahawk Bliss is not talking about a 'pirate coalition' rather he is talking of the Providence allies which includes the Ushra'Khan and others. He lies about the Star Fraction: the Star Fraction are not pirates and do not shoot neutrals.
It is just non-stop lies.
There's no point even engaging with it. I see no need to say anymore than that he lies and anyone who reads him critically will see it. He provides all the evidence for his mendacity himself, that's how ridiculous he is. Not only does he lie and lie and lie. He's simply bad at it.
Stop lying, Archbishop, for the sake of everyone who does not wish to view the spectacle of a sad old man who has so lost his dignity that he repeatedly exposes himself and furiously engages in the Sin of Onan while gibbering crazed lies.
The Cosmopolite
Lets evaluate what Tomahawk, a former Star Fraction corporation leader and fleet commander said and the context he said it in.
1. I heard the Star Fraction was "falling apart" because it had members and corporations leaving and thats what I said (secondhand knowledge).
2. Tomahawk Bliss countered by stating tags don't matter and implied you will still fly together in making the argument that the alliance was not "falling apart".
3. He used the word "coalition" to describe that group of pilots.
4. He even compared it to the situation where PIE pilots have left but have joined other Amarrian loyalist organizations and we've flown with them later on.
5. Tomahawk Bliss is a member of The Final Stand a known pirate group and referenced Bane another pirate group in his comments.
Conclusion:
1. There is a coalition.
2. The Star Fraction pilots who left are a part of it.
3. The other members like The Final Stand and Bane are known pirate organizations.
4. The now ex-Star Fraction pilots will still be flying with the Star Fraction and don't view "tags" as anything seperating the organizations that are a part of this pirate coalition.
Tomahawk has made it very clear that the fact members and corporations left the Star Fraction mean nothing because there is a coalition and you will still fly together. I can only conclude that Tomahawks comments were errant in nature and not desired by the Star Fraction. In other words he blew it and let it slip accidently and now you're trying to do damage control.
Tomahawks comments are very clear and quite concise. There is a coalition, Star Fraction pilots are freely moving in and out of pirate corporations, the Star Fraction is not falling apart and the other members of this coalition are known pirate organizations. We shouldn't forget these pirate groups also convienently have offices at your outpost.
Obviously the Star Fraction has committed another blunder (like the backroom deal with Daisho and the IRED incident in Malkalen) and now they're trying to spin it into something positive. Fortunately Tomahawks comment is here for all to see and it's quite concise in describing the links between this pirate coalition and the Star Fraction.
It's quite apparent this exposure of your coalition wasn't intended. I fully expect the Star Fraction to continue calling it a "lie" or try to claim its a big Minmatar coalition. Fortunately the words are here for all to see and all will make their own judgement. Joe the Citizen can decide for himself what the pirate coalition is all about and if you're involved or not.
I agree with Graelyn... who could've imagined you'd to come right out and say it like you did.
Archbishop
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.07.08 03:17:00 -
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More lies.
There is a coalition but it is not a pirate coalition. It is the coalition of free Providence allies. It exists to defend Providence from the CVA slavers and their pirate allies. It does not exist to promote piracy. It does not exist as a coalition of pirates. It is not a pirate coalition.
We all know what the Amarr loyalist definition of 'pirate' is. It is anyone who operates in 0.0 or low-sec that they don't like. We saw that when Aralis, bizarrely, described a CONCORD technical support subsidiary as 'pirates'. We saw it when he called the Ushra'Khan 'pirates'.
Yet we also see Aralis and the CVA allying with people who have openly engaged in piracy and others who have the same policies as some non-NRDS free Providence allies but, curiously, that isn't a 'pirate coalition' as Archbishop sees it. Hypocrisy? Let the general reader decide indeed.
Ultimately, those who are loyal to the slave empire will believe this drivel. No loss there. Those who know us and fight with us will discount it. No loss there. Those with the intelligence to actually read what has been said and see how Archbishop twists and distorts it will see who is telling lies and who is speaking truth. A net gain for us.
Keep it up, Archbishop. The more you spin white to black, hot to cold, good to evil and truth to lies, the more you help demonstrate the vacuum of morality at the heart of Amarr loyalism, the more you help us.
Meantime, here is truth for those willing to hear it:
The Star Fraction are not pirates. The Star Fraction do not shoot neutrals. The Star Fraction advocate and argue for NRDS RoE. The Star Fraction welcome free transit and free trade with neutrals. The Star Fraction view piracy as undesirable on economic, ethical and philosophical grounds. The Star Fraction are not and never will be a party to a 'pirate coalition' anywhere, never mind in free Providence.
The Cosmopolite
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Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar Fates Assembly The Final Stand.
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Posted - 2010.07.08 04:04:00 -
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The Final Stand are not pirates. Your paradigm needs are not our problem.
We don't take any **** from goblet drinking pillow biters like you.
your talk is cheap; i dare you to do something about it beside snipe and cry from behind your wet robes.
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Posted - 2010.07.08 05:31:00 -
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Edited by: Victoria Stecker on 08/07/2010 05:31:07
Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss talk is cheap
You, Sir, have just summed up the entirety of the IGS in one simple statement that can be applied to almost everyone who ever speaks here. Ironically enough, that includes me, but I am perfectly comfortable with my own hypocrisy, while everyone else seems determined to deny theirs.
Regardless, talk is cheap should be the motto for this board.
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Eventy One
Magellan Exploration and Survey THAT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.08 05:36:00 -
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Edited by: Eventy One on 08/07/2010 05:36:41 And I thought tribalism was a feature of the Matari. All I've seen for threads and threads is universal tribalism.
Perhaps humanity is hopeless - then again, perhaps there's hope for us yet.
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Merdaneth
Amarr Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2010.07.08 08:06:00 -
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Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss The Final Stand are not pirates. Your paradigm needs are not our problem.
Merdaneth laughs.
What are the Final Stand then? Revolutionaries fighting for freedom?
If you claim this was just 'a change of tags', then you are suggesting The Final Stand and the Star Fraction are currently very close in terms of ideology and method of operations. The Final Stand has a very clear reputation as a pirate alliance. So a few options remain:
1. You are lying 2. The Final Stand has seen a sudden change in principles and methodology after you joined and now resembles SF 3. The Star Fraction has seen a sudden change in principles and methodology after you left and now resembles The Final Stand 4. The principles and methodology between the two were always nearly the same to insiders, only the SF profiled itself as non-pirates while The Final Stand profiled itself as pirates.
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Merdaneth
Amarr Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2010.07.08 08:11:00 -
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Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Meantime, here is truth for those willing to hear it:
The Star Fraction are not pirates. The Star Fraction do not shoot neutrals. The Star Fraction advocate and argue for NRDS RoE. The Star Fraction welcome free transit and free trade with neutrals. The Star Fraction view piracy as undesirable on economic, ethical and philosophical grounds. The Star Fraction are not and never will be a party to a 'pirate coalition' anywhere, never mind in free Providence.
How would you classify The Final Stand on all of these points?
As far as I know, The Final Stand policy is diametrically opposed on each of these points to what you say. Either these points are fairly minor and irrelevant to general Star Fraction policy, or else the fact that many former SF members believe they are 'just changing their tags' implies that you either are lying, or are grossly hypocritical in your dealings.
On the other hand, it is also possible that a real rift has occured after some internal struggle in SF, and you are trying to cover this up. The truth will set you free. ____
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Darveses
DAEDALUS X The Final Stand.
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Posted - 2010.07.08 09:44:00 -
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The determinism and passion of those whose primary occupation seems to be to uncover every embarrassing little dust particle under the Fraction's carpets never ceases to amaze me
Also, TFS is blue to the Star Fraction. Thats all "Star Fraction Pirate Coalition" there is and hardly damning new evidence - makes you look desperate my dearest Archie. ---
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Nefher Zhila
Amarr Khar Orda
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Posted - 2010.07.08 11:15:00 -
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The never-ending dribble and bickering going around star fraction is getting quite tiresome.
Star Fraction is an enemy both to the Kingdom, the Empire and surely the Caldari state as well (I would go as far as to say they are enemies to all forms of governmentàexcept their own). Given this fact I would say less talk and more fighting is in order, as I donÆt understand what exactly all this communications exchange wants to achieve. If there is a problem or disagreement that diplomacy cannot solve, well then, thereÆs always war, an extension of diplomacy itself.
Some should make use of that tool more often, and perhaps gain a bit more of leverage before trying to win some sort of logical victory through words.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.07.08 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: Nefher Zhila The never-ending dribble and bickering going around star fraction is getting quite tiresome.
Star Fraction is an enemy both to the Kingdom, the Empire and surely the Caldari state as well (I would go as far as to say they are enemies to all forms of governmentàexcept their own). Given this fact I would say less talk and more fighting is in order, as I donÆt understand what exactly all this communications exchange wants to achieve. If there is a problem or disagreement that diplomacy cannot solve, well then, thereÆs always war, an extension of diplomacy itself.
Some should make use of that tool more often, and perhaps gain a bit more of leverage before trying to win some sort of logical victory through words.
The reason these threads and arguments are endless is that PIE leadership have long ordered their pilots to consider the Star Fraction "irrelevant" to action in space, while "super-relevant" to IGS propaganda. PIE recognize that they cannot match the Fraction in any kind of war or military contest and hope instead to cover their weakness with sporadic deceitful posting of the kind we have seen from the cloaking-bestower piloting Archbishop in this thread.
This war of words will never end. Because PIE will never be driven from the IGS while their forum-personalities remain active (Blake and Archbishop) and Star Fraction will never be defeated in space by these toothless blowhard remmnants of fallen amarrian nationalism.
So it continues and in many ways the status quo helps the Fraction since it is becoming appparent that many pilots are driven away from ideals of Amarrian Nationalism by the rather pathetic images of this self-proclaimed Archbishop trying to give out gifts and prizes coughing out empty choruses of "Amarr Victor" while hiding the Empire's capital station.
New pilots want to join martial organizations and those prepared to walk the walk rather than follow the faded cleric into obscurity and incontinence in the shabby halls of PIE.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.08 15:15:00 -
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I think that our overall record in space over the last seven years speaks for itself.
If we choose not to fight you, it's because we have more important fish to fry.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.07.08 15:22:00 -
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You aren't actually disagreeing with anything I said. You have authorized your pilots to "fight" us only on galnet. Understood.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.08 15:31:00 -
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I'm not neccessarily agreeing with you either.
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Borza Slavak
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.07.08 15:56:00 -
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You're not necessarily making a point of any kind.
I agree with you on one thing, Mekhios was a day to go down in history.
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Darveses
DAEDALUS X The Final Stand.
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Posted - 2010.07.08 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake I think that our overall record in space over the last seven years speaks for itself.
If we choose not to fight you, it's because we have more important fish to fry.
Ahh, the insignificance card again. I missed it!
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Archbishop
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.09 00:15:00 -
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Originally by: Darveses The determinism and passion of those whose primary occupation seems to be to uncover every embarrassing little dust particle under the Fraction's carpets never ceases to amaze me
Also, TFS is blue to the Star Fraction. Thats all "Star Fraction Pirate Coalition" there is and hardly damning new evidence - makes you look desperate my dearest Archie.
Your use of the word "uncover" implies there is something to uncover. Now that your new pirate coalition has been exposed I would say you are correct in saying this is an embarrassing revelation for the Star Fraction officers.
Quote: The reason these threads and arguments are endless is that PIE leadership have long ordered their pilots to consider the Star Fraction "irrelevant" to action in space, while "super-relevant" to IGS propaganda. PIE recognize that they cannot match the Fraction in any kind of war or military contest and hope instead to cover their weakness with sporadic deceitful posting of the kind we have seen from the cloaking-bestower piloting Archbishop in this thread.
We consider you irrelevant because you are. Efforts on galnet to expose your hypocritical activities are simply a public service. As men of God the pilots of PIE are committed to the truth. When we see an obvious lie as we have here with first denying the existence of a coalition then acknowledging one does exist (but claiming it's not a pirate coalition) we speak out.
Unfortunately for the Star Fraction the existence of their coalition has now been confirmed and confessed to. Given Merdaneths observation that each Star Fraction position above is directly counter to those of the Final Stand a known pirate alliance proves only one thing. The Star Fraction are in leagues with these pirate groups. But this isn't anything new. They have a long history of collaboration with pirates. After the backroom deal they cut with the territorialist, enclosurist, NBSI alliance the Daisho Syndicate was exposed they can hardly claim the mantle of "freespace revolutionary" because they themselves have crawled into bed with those diametrically opposed to their stated positions.
I guess the big questions are:
1. Why do pirates NOT shoot at the Star Fraction when they shoot at everyone else?
2. Why does the Star Fraction pariticpate in operations that clear space of peace enforcing groups (like Mito) only to leave them for pirate takeover.
3. Why does the Star Fraction allow pirate corporations to have office space in their outpost?
4. Why does the Star Fraction feel it's OK to provide cyno jump capabilties for pirate capital ships?
5. Why does the Star Fraction feel there is no problem setting up a warp bubble at a gate while pirates sit nearby shooting those who are caught in it?
Rodj is right. I really don't understand why there is any controversy over this. The Star Fraction is quite clearly a member of this pirate coalition and have embraced the pirate lifestyle long ago. While they claim they don't shoot neutrals they have also admitted in the past they have had "accidents" but claim they reimburse their victims. Of course when they've griefed a corporation into quitting the pod completely and abandoning the Eve cluster paying for a few lost ships when they realize they made a mistake is hardly a remedy to the damage they've caused.
The truth is very clear. Tomahawk spilled the beans. Cosmo admits there is a coalition but tries to paint it as something else. In the end the Star Fraction will go along with their pirate coalition members as they always have. They made their bed. Now they can sleep in it. If they think people in Providence associating with and supporting CVA makes them guilty of being pro-slavery what does crawling into bed with pirates make you? I think we know that answer.
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Originally by: Archbishop 1. We consider you irrelevant because you are. 2. Efforts on galnet to expose your hypocritical activities are simply a public service.
Nice to see PIE inc admitting its full descent into meaningless irrelevance in space capable only of producing nonsense propaganda on galnet.
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