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Pesht
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Posted - 2010.06.07 03:39:00 -
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Now, I realize the definition of pirate here could be under debate, but in this situation, I'm using the term pirate loosely to mean anyone who attacks someone else for no reason other than their own enjoyment.
I've never really pvped before, despite playing eve for quite a long time on and off. I'm interested in giving solo pvp a try now, but I keep running into the moral dilemma of I simply don't enjoy the thought of going out and making other people's day worse by blowing their ship up for my own enjoyment(the fact it's much more likely I'll die out there with my lack of experience not withstanding.)
I'm not making a judgment call on other people here, I like that there are pirates out there, makes the game interesting. But for ME, I don't like the idea of randomly blowing up people's ships.
So where can I find solo pvp?
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captain foivos
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Posted - 2010.06.07 03:44:00 -
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World of Warquest has a duelling system IIRC.
Originally by: CCP Shadow
If you're going to quote me that's great, but it must be something I've actually said. Shadow.
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Gavin DeVries
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Posted - 2010.06.07 03:45:00 -
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You can head out into low-sec and wait for someone to attack you. It probably won't be a 1-on-1 though; you'll likely get blobbed. Some systems are notorious for having lots of action: Rancer, Tama, Old Man Star, and Amamake come immediately to mind. You can also hang around in major trade hub systems; in Amarr, for example, there are constantly people in local looking for fights. Both parties drop cans and steal from the opponents can, thus giving kill rights, and you can fight without CONCORD butting in. ______________________________________________________ Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you? |
Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
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Posted - 2010.06.07 03:46:00 -
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FW, 0.0, empire war decs, Red vs Blue, hanging out alone in 0.0 or low sec. Or join an angry corp that picks fights. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
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Dracoknight
Gallente U-208 Blade.
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Posted - 2010.06.07 04:48:00 -
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Try entering the russian parts of the eve universe.... you wont find pvp there, pvp will find YOU! ____________________
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Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.06.07 05:41:00 -
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Originally by: Dracoknight Try entering the russian parts of the eve universe.... you wont find pvp there, pvp will find YOU!
That may be the best Russian reversal I've ever heard, aside from the ones by Smirnoff himself. Bravo.
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Gaven Darklighter
Gallente The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2010.06.07 05:55:00 -
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how is it a moral dilemma? This is merely a game... right?
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Napolie
Gallente The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
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Posted - 2010.06.07 06:13:00 -
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Originally by: Pesht Now, I realize the definition of pirate here could be under debate, but in this situation, I'm using the term pirate loosely to mean anyone who attacks someone else for no reason other than their own enjoyment.
You know... I really love this part here "No other reason then their own enjoyment" isnt that something that holds true for all pvpers? Or are anti-pirates, 0.0 folks, general warbears and other tossers some sort of masochistic breed wich pvps since they find it to be royal pain?
On the more constructive side I guess factional warefare is the thing for you... Lots and lots of consentual pvp where no one goes "But I want to live in Peace!?".
As for the solo pvp part quite frankly it requires skills and knowledge to win, but if you are just out to get your heart pumping just get yourself some cheap ranged cruisers and go wild till you learn whats what.
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Ran Khanon
Amarr Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
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Posted - 2010.06.07 06:31:00 -
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Yeah, FW sounds nice but there isn't any non-consensual pvp involved; so no moral issues there I suspect.
Alternatively join a pvp focussed corp with people who don't have your deeply developed sense of altruism. That is what I did. If you do this your perception shifts from "Killing innocent people which I feel a little bad about" to "I am glad to help my friends out." It's the basic psychological trick to get people to shoot at other people in real life armies as well. I hope this helped :) Help us to make parrots game related today! |
Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.07 06:37:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Darklighter how is it a moral dilemma? This is merely a game... right?
That some enjoy more by shooting people who want to shoot back than having a fight where the opponents have as much chance of doing anything significant as a lvl 1 mission against a properly fitted dominix.
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dankness420
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Posted - 2010.06.07 07:36:00 -
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You aren't a pirate if you shoot people in your space. Get some space!
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Admiral Pelleon
White Shadow Imperium
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Posted - 2010.06.07 08:23:00 -
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I don't ransom people so I don't consider myself a pirate. I hardly feel bad about killing people in belts/deadspace/wherever when they clearly accepted the dialogue box warning them of imminent doom on the low-sec gate. ________ Chicago players channel: 'Windy City'
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SFX Bladerunner
Minmatar Bite me inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.07 10:38:00 -
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Originally by: Pesht How do you pvp without being a pirate?
You do so by joining Red vs. Blue. There you can request for all the 1v1's you want in whatever ships and they will be honoured.
A little background: Red and blue are 2 friendly corporations that are at war with eachother 24/7 and both have a HQ base in empire not too far apart. All they do is friendly pvp (podding is NOT allowed in RVB) in empire and occasionally go on a 0.0/low-sec roam with both red and blue working together. They try to distribute players between the two corps evenly depending on how many people they have active and in which timezones as to always keep the participation numbers in both corporations fairly equal so it remains fun for both corps. __________________________________________________
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Gladys Pank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.06.07 11:19:00 -
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First off, Eve is a pvp oriented game. It's generally geared towards individuals or corps building wealth through PVE, with which to enjoy some PVP. The fact that there are so many people who choose to build wealth without really risking any losses is not really working in the spirit of the game. Of course people can do what they like but with that in mind, you are well within your rights to shoot at anyone you choose. Eve is a harsh game by design, being overly considerate does not fit within its spirit.
That said, I prefer to shoot people who are interested in pvp far more than ganking some unlucky non combat targets.
Usually you can tell if you are engaging someone who wishes to pvp, or someone who you just caught in the wrong place at the wrong time. If you find someone in low sec they are more often than not looking to PVP. The ratters that get caught are usually easy to identify as either inexperienced, or up for a fight. If you catch anyone in a factional warfare plex, they are generally used to people infiltrating and will either be prepared for this and GTFO when you get near, or they will stick around to fight back.
Catching people in agent issued low sec missions would probably be against your moral view, as would wardeccing pve oriented high sec corps. Catching miners in low sec / null without any defence might not fit well with you but honestly, they should know better.
Any moral hang up is likely to stop you pvping at all.
You could always head out to 0.0 and try to take on the defence squads while leaving any stray haulers you see on moralistic grounds, but frankly out there (even in low sec) anything you can catch and kill really deserves it. You know the risks just as well as they should.
Discussion aside, these are some clear areas of guilt free pew pew: Red V Blue (as above) Factional Warfare (as above) Busting gatecamps Anti-piracy (basically just shooting outlaws) Arranged fights Wardeccing pvp oriented corps
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zombiedeadhead
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2010.06.07 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: SFX Bladerunner
Originally by: Pesht How do you pvp without being a pirate?
You do so by joining Red vs. Blue. There you can request for all the 1v1's you want in whatever ships and they will be honoured.
A little background: Red and blue are 2 friendly corporations that are at war with eachother 24/7 and both have a HQ base in empire not too far apart. All they do is friendly pvp (podding is NOT allowed in RVB) in empire and occasionally go on a 0.0/low-sec roam with both red and blue working together. They try to distribute players between the two corps evenly depending on how many people they have active and in which timezones as to always keep the participation numbers in both corporations fairly equal so it remains fun for both corps.
A perfect description of why Red v Blue is not PvP.
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Rin Vires
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Posted - 2010.06.07 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: zombiedeadhead
Originally by: SFX Bladerunner
Originally by: Pesht How do you pvp without being a pirate?
You do so by joining Red vs. Blue. There you can request for all the 1v1's you want in whatever ships and they will be honoured.
A little background: Red and blue are 2 friendly corporations that are at war with eachother 24/7 and both have a HQ base in empire not too far apart. All they do is friendly pvp (podding is NOT allowed in RVB) in empire and occasionally go on a 0.0/low-sec roam with both red and blue working together. They try to distribute players between the two corps evenly depending on how many people they have active and in which timezones as to always keep the participation numbers in both corporations fairly equal so it remains fun for both corps.
A perfect description of why Red v Blue is not PvP.
PvP = Player vs player. If the guys at Red are players, and the guys at Blue are players. Then it is PvP. Your confusing what you think PvP should be with reality. In fact, it might even be more "PvP" than pirating. At least both sides shoot at eachother. You can't say the same thing about ganking a hauler or miner. I know internet spaceships is srs business, but some people just like some light pew pew every now and then.
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zombiedeadhead
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2010.06.07 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: Rin Vires
Originally by: zombiedeadhead
Originally by: SFX Bladerunner
Originally by: Pesht How do you pvp without being a pirate?
You do so by joining Red vs. Blue. There you can request for all the 1v1's you want in whatever ships and they will be honoured.
A little background: Red and blue are 2 friendly corporations that are at war with eachother 24/7 and both have a HQ base in empire not too far apart. All they do is friendly pvp (podding is NOT allowed in RVB) in empire and occasionally go on a 0.0/low-sec roam with both red and blue working together. They try to distribute players between the two corps evenly depending on how many people they have active and in which timezones as to always keep the participation numbers in both corporations fairly equal so it remains fun for both corps.
A perfect description of why Red v Blue is not PvP.
Your confusing what you think PvP should be with reality
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Raelyf
The Bastards
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Posted - 2010.06.07 16:17:00 -
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Edited by: Raelyf on 07/06/2010 16:17:45 There is no moral dilemma. Two words: Implied Consent.
By logging in, they've given consent to have their boats violenced. If that's an issue, they need to go play WoW. That's not to say the regular PVE side of the game isn't a valid way to play, but wardecs and suicide ganks and mission busts and ninja salvagers are all what adds purpose, meaning and risk to PVE. Taken on its own, EVE's PVE is ****.
Even if you think 'pure PVE' is a valid way to play EVE and should be respected, if they're in low sec they're either out looking for a fight or they've accepted the risk in return for some reward. In the later case, it's not your issue if their gamble didn't pay off. Speaking as someone who's spent the last year almost exclusively in low-sec, the vast majority of people you get the chance to shoot at will be from the former group.
Occasionally you do run into someone who genuinely isn't aware they're going to get exploded in low sec, but they're typically either very very new and thus their loss is pretty much marginal in the face of the lesson they've learned, which will save them a great deal of isk later, or they've bought isk and deserve it.
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Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2010.06.07 16:36:00 -
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I have met a lot of people who like PvP in low sec, but many of them aren't pirates.
Being a pirate is a state of mind.
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empire hauler
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Posted - 2010.06.07 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Pelleon they clearly accepted the dialogue box warning them
its true...
lol
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2010.06.07 16:51:00 -
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I would say that you can certainly find it in more places than you might imagine, as Spank points out. I for one am trying to carve a niche of fair PVP in Jita. Ok, I know it's absolutely nothing special and very meagre compared to achievements of others, but it makes me happy and it's a good laugh when my opponent and I 'gf' each other in local.
Sad I know but it makes me happy :) Long live the House of Fun!
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ninjaholic
Gallente Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2010.06.07 17:02:00 -
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1. Undock in Dodixie in your Navy Mega, drop a can with 1 x dolls. Rename can to "1 v 1?".
2. Open system map, find a 0.4. Check local to see who's the youngest character. Rename ship theirs like "___________'s Navitas" and sit in the first belt at 0. Naturally, don't call your Rifter "Navitas". Ain't no-one gonna fall for that.
3. Go to Egghelende, Old Man Star, Sujarento, Frulegur, Ostingele, Tama, Bosena, or Ami. Sit in first belt at 0.
+ Support EVE's own IN-GAME fight record tool!
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Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2010.06.07 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: ninjaholic Rename ship theirs like "___________'s Navitas" and sit in the first belt at 0. Naturally, don't call your Rifter "Navitas". Ain't no-one gonna fall for that.
I like to name my Kestrel "Cyno".
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Omal Oma
Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.06.07 17:26:00 -
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Offer protection to miners in high sec from can flippers. Join a fleet with them and you drop the can then charge a fee for use of the can in the fleet.
It's actually a great way to get quite a few kills. Loads of wannabe pirates think they are smooth :) ________________________________________________ <--- My in-game me. |
Pesht
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Posted - 2010.06.07 19:36:00 -
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Thank you for all the replies, I've since signed up for FW and I think that'll work out nicely for what I'm looking for.
My goal for pvp from pretty much the first time I played Eve was killing pirates, primarily breaking up gate camps. I'd do that now, but I know I need a better pvp ship and better experience before I can think about doing that, so I want to start with small scale solo pvp to cut my teeth on.
I suppose it would easy enough to fly through low sec and look in local for anyone with very low sec rating to target, and in the course of searching for them, I'd be likely attacked along the way anyway.
Indiscriminate pvp is very easy to do, and it certainly can be justified. Personally though, I find more enjoyment in righteous slaughter. Being the predator is fun, but it's even more fun when you make someone who thinks they're a predator, become the prey.
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Poena Loveless
Minmatar Minute to Midnight
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Posted - 2010.06.07 19:58:00 -
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Its not pirating if:
1) You don't ask for a ransom -or- 2) You don't do it for the isk
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Delilah Wild
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Posted - 2010.06.09 15:41:00 -
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Hello Pesht,
Thanks for starting off this thread. It will help guide other people with the same question as you.
I think Gladys Pank has shared the most comprehensive answer to your question, and your choice of faction warfare seems a good place to start.
I'd like to complement her post with three other comments.
First, consider taking some classes with Agony Unleashed. They are a pvp University, and by all accounts do an excellent job. So too, you might want to join Eve University for a time. They also do an excellent job training up characters new to pvp, especially if you commit to serving in the Ivy League Navy for a time. While Eve University mostly attracts new players, it does train older players if you can demonstrate good will, a desire to learn, and you are not a spy. There are other training corps out there, but these are two of the best.
Second, after you've played with faction warfare for a time, consider a career in anti-piracy. It is quite fun at both an intellectual and practical level -- there's nothing quite like winding up curs and popping their ships! It is also one of the more demanding kinds of pvp, as most game mechanics privilege pirating activity. The broken war dec system, a non-functional bounty system, the lack of player directed law enforcement, incommensurable standings hits and the like are examples of this imbalance. This requires quite a bit of skill and ingenuity on the part of anti-pirates, and adds another layer of challenge to Eve. That said, it also means anti-piracy is a long-term goal.
Finally, given your well-taken moral concerns, anti-piracy is pvp you can be proud of.
When you are ready for anti-piracy, please don't hesitate to contact me in-game. In the meantime, you can get more information at the Friends of Eve blog, http://friendsofeve.wordpress.com. There you can find a growing list of resources, as well as corps and alliances that stress anti-piracy as part of their mission.
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The Crushah
Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.06.09 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: Delilah Wild Hello Pesht,
Thanks for starting off this thread. It will help guide other people with the same question as you.
I think Gladys Pank has shared the most comprehensive answer to your question, and your choice of faction warfare seems a good place to start.
I'd like to complement her post with three other comments.
First, consider taking some classes with Agony Unleashed. They are a pvp University, and by all accounts do an excellent job. So too, you might want to join Eve University for a time. They also do an excellent job training up characters new to pvp, especially if you commit to serving in the Ivy League Navy for a time. While Eve University mostly attracts new players, it does train older players if you can demonstrate good will, a desire to learn, and you are not a spy. There are other training corps out there, but these are two of the best.
Second, after you've played with faction warfare for a time, consider a career in anti-piracy. It is quite fun at both an intellectual and practical level -- there's nothing quite like winding up curs and popping their ships! It is also one of the more demanding kinds of pvp, as most game mechanics privilege pirating activity. The broken war dec system, a non-functional bounty system, the lack of player directed law enforcement, incommensurable standings hits and the like are examples of this imbalance. This requires quite a bit of skill and ingenuity on the part of anti-pirates, and adds another layer of challenge to Eve. That said, it also means anti-piracy is a long-term goal.
Finally, given your well-taken moral concerns, anti-piracy is pvp you can be proud of.
When you are ready for anti-piracy, please don't hesitate to contact me in-game. In the meantime, you can get more information at the Friends of Eve blog, http://friendsofeve.wordpress.com. There you can find a growing list of resources, as well as corps and alliances that stress anti-piracy as part of their mission.
Delilah
Confirming that Delilah is an AWESOME anti-pirate.
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Gladys Pank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.06.09 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: The Crushah Confirming that Delilah is an AWESOME anti-pirate.
Oh come on, every Greenback needs their Danger Mouse.
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Petrov Kreigt
Project Nemesis
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Posted - 2010.07.01 12:00:00 -
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I see it as PvP is shooting someone who has the capabilites to have a fun fight... can be applied to a gang situation... Pirating is shooting someone for enjoyment purposes or for the motive of extracting isk from a ransom or something
Eitherway theyre both fun and id recommend both of them
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