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Redloc
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Posted - 2010.06.07 15:40:00 -
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Let me start off saying I know I will get flamed. Let me go ahead and try to qualm some of those flames before I get to the end of this.
I've been playing video games since about age 6. I am a "gamer". Let me just say I'm not stupid, I'm smart, and I'm a very good, capable gamer.
I dual box, and have one character totally dedicated to combat. I had to shut down my account for a while, so I only have 16m SP.
Basically, saying that there is "solo pvp" or "profitable pvp" or "robust pvp" is completely wrong, and a joke. It is just kidding people who don't know any better. I have tried SO HARD and given SO MUCH EFFORT to PVP in eve. I bought billions of credits with PLEX and I just said "All I Want to do is blow people up. I don't care how much money I lose, or how long it takes, I just want kills on my killboard. I don't care if they are TECH 2 ships or shuttles, I just want to kill players."
A simple ****ing task. I've found that I just simply cannot do this effectively. I'm not an idiot, I fly decently fit PVP ships, its just NOT POSSIBLE. I switched from a high sec corp to a low sec one to a low sec pirate corp to a 0.0 corp.
The 0.0 corp had me fly with a blob of about 50 people for about 4-5 hours a day. I had to stay on their Teamspeak 4-5 hours, and usually we'd pop 1-2 people. However, I was usually still warping in and did not get to see ONE person blown up in two months. (Not even see - let alone help or get the killmail)
In low sec, it is the same. Even if my corp is at war, it is - go around in a blob of 10 ships or be killed. Let me put it to you this way:
I spent an average of 5 hours a day trying to pvp and got about 1 kill A MONTH. I've lost a bunch of ships from me flying around with one or two people and getting blobbed. I read about factional warfare: blobs. I read about 0.0: blobs. I've found that 90% of the time when you "pvp", you're sitting at a station, or sitting at a POS, or roaming around in a giant group, and literally like 5% of the time is actual combat.
Literally, the only real PVP experience I've had is suicide bombing retrievers in a cruiser, or flipping cans for 6 hours and having someone go get their "pvp ship" and come and try to aggro me.
One unbalanced fight every 5 hours is just not ****ing fun. I *hate* sitting there listening to Teamspeak and flying around on EvE for 5 hours. Nothing is more boring than roaming, or sitting there at a gate, WAITING, for like 4-5 hours before I see any action, and then almost every single time, the person gets away, or a blob comes and we have to run away.
Now I'm expecting the "If you want an instant respawn death game, go play (quake, WoW, whatever). EvE pvp is special because you lose investments and you make other players lose investments.
What I WANT: To be able to find a semi fair(2 of them vs. 1 of me) fight within 1 hour of searching. THATS ALL. I want to be able to grab my friend, go out as a duo in like, HACs or Battleships, and within 60 minutes, find a fight that we have a 30% chance of winning. THATS ALL. But this has proven *****ING IMPOSSIBLE*.
To say that there is any skill in pvp is just a complete joke to me, I've never seen a fight that had equal odds. Never. It was always "larger fleet, run" or "oh, its a buzzard...oh, he got away") I've seriously spent 200+ hours trying to pvp and look at my killboard. Its ****ing pathetic. Absolutely pathetic.
I'm either doing something wrong, extremely unlucky, or this game's pvp claims are ****ing horrible.
Now, a few people have told me to join RvB. I currently have a deep amount of loyalty to my current corp and really don't want to have to join a player made corporation just to find fights in a decent time.
TL;DR: PVP is 95% waiting and 5% unfair combat. *I didn't say I was quitting* I just want some advice. (Please don't flame).
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2010.06.07 15:43:00 -
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Might I suggest that for fun SOLO PVP you come on down to Jita Planet 4 and join my HOUSE OF FUN. I think you will be pleasantly surprised :)
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Grarr Dexx
Amarr
GK inc.
Panda Team
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Posted - 2010.06.07 15:46:00 -
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That's not PVP. You should really consider joining smaller corps based on guerrilla warfare, or give RvB a shot. You should also consider trying to earn your money and not just buying more with GTCs, as it adds a dimension of attrition to the game.
Blob warfare is a complete joke, and there is nothing fun about sitting in a boring longrange ship and shooting a primary.
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Flying ZombieJesus
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Posted - 2010.06.07 15:51:00 -
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Try 0.0 NPC space for small roams of 5-10 people. Sometime you're going to have nights where you catch nothing or an odd ship or two, and sometimes you will have nights where you run into gangs of 20+ people, but there will always be some times where you run into other small gangs. Those are what make pvp worth it.
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Amy Platt
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Posted - 2010.06.07 15:53:00 -
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I've just checked your killboard and battle clinic.
7 losses in a year (none against blobs all 1v1 with one 1v2), mostly in high-sec and in high value craft does not look like the kind of guy who's out looking for fights.
If you want fights go the usual route of flying cheap disposable frigates and fly around in low-sec. Sure you'll die, but you'll at least get some action.
Then when you're more experienced about life in low-sec take out those bigger ships you keep flying and go hang around in a belt and wait for trouble. My experience in low-sec indicates that trouble will find you sooner than you think.
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Redloc
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Posted - 2010.06.07 16:02:00 -
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Thank you for your replies.
I did spend a lot of time in high sec trying to get kills, but in the past several months moved into low sec. Flying around in frigates is kind of pointless, as you are never going to be able to kill anything. I SUPPOSE its possible that someone else will show up in a frigate and decide to fight you, and I can use Tech 2 turrets, but still.
I do try to go around in asteroid fields and find trouble, its just most of the time if I do that, I'm alone or with 1 other person. We have never had an equal number of people show up and not immediately run - unless they were bait for a blob.
Our low sec corp will hopefully be moving into nullsec soon, so hopefully that will provide me better small gang fights. Thats really what I want. I think its a combination of me being unlucky, with a little of what I said being true.
I also did grind out a ton of cash with level 4 missions, I only stated that I got some ISK because I wanted to demonstrate that I'm trying *every possible avenue* to get kills. I'm frustrated because I've been giving SO MUCH EFFORT (For example: beating the new Ninja gaiden on hard, or Dragon age on nightmare, or Gladiator in WoW) Took me *WAY* less hours and research than simply trying to get like 50 kills on EvE.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2010.06.07 16:03:00 -
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 Originally by: Grarr Dexx
That's not PVP.
To each their own.
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ElJo123
Accompanied By Unicorns
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Posted - 2010.06.07 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Redloc
Flying around in frigates is kind of pointless, as you are never going to be able to kill anything. I SUPPOSE its possible that someone else will show up in a frigate and decide to fight you, and I can use Tech 2 turrets, but still.
Confirming this to be oh so very, very wrong.
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Ophelia Ursus
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Posted - 2010.06.07 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Redloc
Thank you for your replies.
I did spend a lot of time in high sec trying to get kills, but in the past several months moved into low sec. Flying around in frigates is kind of pointless, as you are never going to be able to kill anything. I SUPPOSE its possible that someone else will show up in a frigate and decide to fight you, and I can use Tech 2 turrets, but still.
A solo frigate can kill all manner of things up to and including battleships if you have enough ammo and patience. Never underestimate the cluelessness of lowsec ratters. For that matter, never underestimate what a frigate can do to larger pvp-fit ships if it has a nos fitted, pops light drones quickly, and is flown by someone who's good at closing distance quickly with high transversal.
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Kuroi Hoshi
Ajo Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.07 16:24:00 -
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First, you don't make ISK off of "fair" PvP. If you really have a 50/50 shot of winning and get maybe an average of let's say 10% of your ship's worth per kill of another combat ship you're going to come out behind. If you have a 90% chance of winning or fly much cheaper ships than your opponents then you can skew this, but being able to predict what might appear on paper close fights well or fitting cheap ships capable of hanging with expensive ships generally requires experience in winning fights.
Second, people like to win and are generally going to engage targets that they believe they can beat, either thanks to numbers or because they believe that a ship is of a low level of threat. Several people are willing to 1 v 1 you with a T2 ship if you're flying a T1. A T1 cruiser can beat a T2 cruiser and a battlecruiser can beat a T3 ship. You have to better than the other person but there are plenty of people that are horrible pilots yet fly T2 ships. You can go even more extreme than this (people winning in frigates and battle badgers) but I'm simply giving what's commonly possible.
Thrid, as an alternate suggestion to what has been given, try some WH space in a cloaky ship. Spend several days scanning down systems and getting used to how it works. Maybe even do a site or two in a C1 or C2 WH to see how the PvE works. Then try hunting there.
Finally whenever I read "Let me just say I'm not stupid, I'm smart, and I'm a very good, capable gamer" I take it in the same manner as a professional American baseball player going on strike and saying "it's not about the money". You might not want to keep saying that you're good and smart because it makes you sound less so. Just a tiny piece of posting advice.
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Kephael
Caldari
SERENDIPITY INC
R-I-P
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Posted - 2010.06.07 16:32:00 -
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Edited by: Kephael on 07/06/2010 16:33:39
Getting isk with plexes is not fun, join a large 0.0 corp and camp the pipes into 0.0
You will blow many people up. Check out the most violent systems here
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Redloc
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Posted - 2010.06.07 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Kuroi Hoshi
Edited by: Kuroi Hoshi on 07/06/2010 16:26:24
Edited by: Kuroi Hoshi on 07/06/2010 16:25:38
Thrid, as an alternate suggestion to what has been given, try some WH space in a cloaky ship. Spend several days scanning down systems and getting used to how it works. Maybe even do a site or two in a C1 or C2 WH to see how the PvE works. Then try hunting there.
That is a good idea.
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Nexus Kinnon
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.06.07 17:25:00 -
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you're in the wrong corps & by posting this terrible thread you've pretty much guaranteed you never will be
peace~
Originally by: Queue K'Umber
It is unseemly when a player becomes a self-congratulatory poastaholic
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Grunanca
Final Agony
B A N E
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Posted - 2010.06.07 17:51:00 -
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Very simple sollution OP... Join FW. Open a FW mission. Park a ship inside and soon after pvp will come to you. Some of the best 1v1 and 1v2 I have had has been doing these missions in a stealth bomber on my alt, while sitting cloaked in my pilgrim inside. When an FW guy warps in you uncloak, the recon and warp the stealth bomber out. There you go, a sure fight in less than 15 minutes...
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Lord Ryan
Draconian Armada
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Posted - 2010.06.07 18:27:00 -
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For me i believe its more like:
60% getting blobbed
30% blobbing
10% pvp
Eve is what you make of it. Come see me if you want solo PVP! Oh and leave your logi/ewar alt at home. I will run away like alittle girl!
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Xai Rayna
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Posted - 2010.06.07 18:31:00 -
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I guess popping that faction-fitted onyx last night, which dropped a few of the mods wasn't profitable at all.
And I guess getting on 12 KMs in the past few days is no action either...oh well, I guess I should quit.
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Xstisha
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Posted - 2010.06.07 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Grunanca
Very simple sollution OP... Join FW. Open a FW mission. Park a ship inside and soon after pvp will come to you. Some of the best 1v1 and 1v2 I have had has been doing these missions in a stealth bomber on my alt, while sitting cloaked in my pilgrim inside. When an FW guy warps in you uncloak, the recon and warp the stealth bomber out. There you go, a sure fight in less than 15 minutes...
I think this is exactly the problem he is describing... You require 2 accounts and dual boxing to get a decent fight.
For all the smack talk that the pirate/PvP community lays out about how awesome they are... I hardly ever see "fair" fights either. Amazing how many of these hardcore people wont engage without a trusty Falcon alt sitting in the next system.
Alts and dual boxing break the game... flame on because you don't want to lose your Falcon alts... but you know it is true.
(Yes, its an alt... no need for you mouthbreathers to bother me because you cant accept what I say.)
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Soliscout
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Posted - 2010.06.07 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Xstisha
Originally by: Grunanca
Very simple sollution OP... Join FW. Open a FW mission. Park a ship inside and soon after pvp will come to you. Some of the best 1v1 and 1v2 I have had has been doing these missions in a stealth bomber on my alt, while sitting cloaked in my pilgrim inside. When an FW guy warps in you uncloak, the recon and warp the stealth bomber out. There you go, a sure fight in less than 15 minutes...
I think this is exactly the problem he is describing... You require 2 accounts and dual boxing to get a decent fight.
For all the smack talk that the pirate/PvP community lays out about how awesome they are... I hardly ever see "fair" fights either. Amazing how many of these hardcore people wont engage without a trusty Falcon alt sitting in the next system.
Alts and dual boxing break the game... flame on because you don't want to lose your Falcon alts... but you know it is true.
(Yes, its an alt... no need for you mouthbreathers to bother me because you cant accept what I say.)
You mean the pirates win...BECAUSE OF FALCON ?? 
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Xstisha
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Posted - 2010.06.07 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Soliscout
You mean the pirates win...BECAUSE OF FALCON ??
No.. I mean these supposedly hardcore PvP gods really have no testicular fortitude unless their Falcon is close by... or 35 blues.
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Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
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Posted - 2010.06.07 19:26:00 -
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FW is not blobs, it can be blobs, but honestly were not that organized to pull them off. There are always FW guys flying through the Tama OMS pipes, and most of them are in small groups (like 5-10) or going about solo or with an alt. It is not easy to find or pick a fight. If we are lucky we get one big fleet a day (big being 20-40) with the biggest blobs being on weekends.
That said our corps (Inglorious-Basterds) highest ranked PvP'er is Gorp, and he does most of that solo, in a Rifter, with no alts. Most of the rest of our top players have something similar going on.
Personally I find solo more exciting, but a small quick roaming fleet (like 8-20) is more fun (but then I also enjoy supporting roles more I'm finding). (also I'm pretty **** at solo :p )
-Jin Nib
Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since:
2009.03.02 03:53:00
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Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
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Posted - 2010.06.07 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: Redloc
Basically, saying that there is "solo pvp" or "profitable pvp" or "robust pvp" is completely wrong, and a joke. It is just kidding people who don't know any better. I have tried SO HARD and given SO MUCH EFFORT to PVP in eve. I bought billions of credits with PLEX and I just said "All I Want to do is blow people up. I don't care how much money I lose, or how long it takes, I just want kills on my killboard. I don't care if they are TECH 2 ships or shuttles, I just want to kill players."
Ha ha.
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Urn Keller
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Posted - 2010.06.07 20:23:00 -
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Get in a frig / T1 cruiser. Hang out in busy lowsec systems and their surroundings.
Engage everything remotely killable. Engage baits. Engage the baits' backup blob.
Die in a fireball.
Do it again.
Then you get gems like this, basically daily:
2010.06.07 01:46
Victim: XXXXXXX
Corp: XXXXXX
Alliance: XXXXXX
Faction: NONE
Destroyed: Taranis
System: Akora
Security: 0.3
Damage Taken: 1769
Involved parties:
Name: *My Main Char*
Security: 0.3
Corp: XXXXXXXXX
Alliance: None
Faction: NONE
Ship: Incursus
Weapon: 125mm Railgun II
Damage Done: 1769
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ItsmeHcK1
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Posted - 2010.06.08 03:27:00 -
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Posting to confirm that I have had MANY fights, some of 'em fair, some of 'em blobbed, but the majority fun.
I do NOT dualbox, not in pvp anyways, and only have 1 account in lowsec. (My alts are a trader and a mission runner, both very positive sec status.)
You sir, are doing something wrong. :)
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Firnas
Minmatar
The Nintendo Generation
Snatch Victory
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Posted - 2010.06.08 09:22:00 -
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There is another option.
Empire merc work. Sometimes it's just beating up stupid bears when you get paid to. That's not fun but it pays the bills.
Sometimes it's nice quality small gang pvp. Most of the guys that work pretty hard in my alliance get a respectable amount of kills. It's something you might want to look into. You sound reasonably dedicated if you've spent that much time and effort trying to pvp. A lot of the start up merc corps around here could usually use another good pilot on the fleet.
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Savatar Mei
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Posted - 2010.06.08 10:04:00 -
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Edited by: Savatar Mei on 08/06/2010 10:05:16
Originally by: Redloc
Thank you for your replies.
I did spend a lot of time in high sec trying to get kills, but in the past several months moved into low sec. Flying around in frigates is kind of pointless, as you are never going to be able to kill anything. I SUPPOSE its possible that someone else will show up in a frigate and decide to fight you, and I can use Tech 2 turrets, but still.
I do try to go around in asteroid fields and find trouble, its just most of the time if I do that, I'm alone or with 1 other person. We have never had an equal number of people show up and not immediately run - unless they were bait for a blob.
Our low sec corp will hopefully be moving into nullsec soon, so hopefully that will provide me better small gang fights. Thats really what I want. I think its a combination of me being unlucky, with a little of what I said being true.
I also did grind out a ton of cash with level 4 missions, I only stated that I got some ISK because I wanted to demonstrate that I'm trying *every possible avenue* to get kills. I'm frustrated because I've been giving SO MUCH EFFORT (For example: beating the new Ninja gaiden on hard, or Dragon age on nightmare, or Gladiator in WoW) Took me *WAY* less hours and research than simply trying to get like 50 kills on EvE.
Come join us in PirateS****channel, we always have fun in frigates...and never are short of a fight.
(this is obviously an alt :))
mkay i need to get around the profanity filter to show u the channel name.
pirates.c.u.m.
without the dots, once u are in a fleet with guys that use the d-scanner at such high speeds fights east to get.
fleets normally consist of 3 / 4 frigates. not really a blob is it?
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StainLessStealRat
Antipodean inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.08 11:42:00 -
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There are 2 types of people in Eve IMHO.
The person who spams alliance with intel along with "Some one form a fleet" and those who go for a solo roam on the quiet.
Let me guess what type OP is 
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Vrabac
Zawa's Fan Club
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Posted - 2010.06.08 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: Redloc
I spent an average of 5 hours a day trying to pvp and got about 1 kill A MONTH.
Originally by: Redloc
I'm not stupid, I'm smart
Talk about knowing yourself. 
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Dr Fab
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Posted - 2010.06.08 14:35:00 -
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Edited by: Dr Fab on 08/06/2010 14:35:26
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Savatar Mei
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Posted - 2010.06.08 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Fab
i'm a sausage
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Sir Carnage
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Posted - 2010.06.08 16:48:00 -
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With only a few losses in the last year, you are obviously risk averse. Best advice I can give you is to get over it. Go out not just expecting to die, but intending to die. My main's k/d ratio is always hovering around 50%, as it should be. All this means is that I don't often get away from the blob, but I usually kill at least one of them before going pop. If you can jump/warp into a blob and take out at least one ship you've done well. Take out a couple and you can strut a bit. Take out a few and get away, well now you can start making videos people might actually watch.
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