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The Huffarunier	Posted - 2010.06.09 14:07:00 - [1] Edited by: The Huffarunier on 09/06/2010 14:07:34 I have seen the excellent pdf which outlines the production chain you follow to make different tier products, but I'm curious if there is a magical ratio for the buildings. For example, in a 23 hour cycle. I have the following: 16 extractors (4 types) leading into 4 refineries (4 types), which lead into 2 advanced refineries (2 types), and into 1 Advanced refinery (1 type). I realize this isn't efficient because I don't have the CPU/Power to make it 'right', which would be: 32 extractors (4 types) leading into 8 refineries (4 types), which leads into 4 advanced refineries (2 types), and then into another advanced refinery (1 type). I think that is right anyway. It seems like it is a pretty logical times 2 formula for production. Is this correct on a 23 hour cycle?
Joel McBeth Caldari Tactical Trading Partnership	Posted - 2010.06.09 14:23:00 - [2] Edited by: Joel McBeth on 09/06/2010 14:23:40 It depends on the amount of resources you extract. For a basic factory it requires 3000 units of a raw material. So, you need to have enough extractors to extract at least 3000 raw materials per 30 minute cycle to supply one basic factory.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.06.09 14:26:00 - [3] The only "unknown" here is in the ratio of extractors to BIFs, from BIFs onward everything is fixed ratio depending on product chosen (most have identical ratios, a few have it slightly different). And the ratio of extractors to BIFs depends on many more factors, which basically reduce to "how much junk they mine", since every BIF needs _exactly_ 144k of raw materials per DAY, no more, no less, to keep milling at full speed. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Arajus Caldari	Posted - 2010.06.09 14:41:00 - [4] I wonder how you would manage to put 32 extractors on a planet! On extractor needs 800 Powergrid (32x800 = 25600, the highest Powergrid on a command center is 19000...) and you wan to build 8 refineries (8800 = 6400) + 4 advanced (4700 = 2800) + all the links!?!? You will soon realize that you wont be able to create P3 on one planet. You would have to harvest from 4 sources (finding a planet with 4 decent sources is difficult), then they should be close together and even then you have not enough powergrid!
The Huffarunier	Posted - 2010.06.09 15:45:00 - [5] Originally by: Arajus I wonder how you would manage to put 32 extractors on a planet! On extractor needs 800 Powergrid (32x800 = 25600, the highest Powergrid on a command center is 19000...) and you wan to build 8 refineries (8800 = 6400) + 4 advanced (4700 = 2800) + all the links!?!? You will soon realize that you wont be able to create P3 on one planet. You would have to harvest from 4 sources (finding a planet with 4 decent sources is difficult), then they should be close together and even then you have not enough powergrid! I can't and I said that. What I do to produce P3, is one planet does one side of the procution chain, another planet does the other side, and a third planet does the final step (actually it does the final step for P3 and the last step in the previous production chain - due to limted power/cpu for the standard command center). That does bring up a good point though, Can one person acytally complete the entire P4 producttion chain by themselves. You can only have 7 planets, and a P4 requires many different sources. I would have to study that layout and see how I could accomplish that. But for now I'm limted to three planet (i think), and have a standard command center on each. making a P3 product. Takes 23 hours to make 30... bah, but it sure is fun!
Messoroz	Posted - 2010.06.09 15:51:00 - [6] Edited by: Messoroz on 09/06/2010 15:52:25 Edited by: Messoroz on 09/06/2010 15:51:30 Originally by: The Huffarunier That does bring up a good point though, Can one person acytally complete the entire P4 producttion chain by themselves. You can only have 7 planets, and a P4 requires many different sources. I would have to study that layout and see how I could accomplish that. ! Uh yes, I have 4 planets extracting the goods and refining into tier 2 goods. Then I have one final planet serving purely as a production base that refines the tier 2 into tier 3 then 4. Though this is specialized for a single type of P4 item.
Necronous	Posted - 2010.06.09 16:06:00 - [7] Originally by: Arajus You will soon realize that you wont be able to create P3 on one planet. You would have to harvest from 4 sources (finding a planet with 4 decent sources is difficult), then they should be close together and even then you have not enough powergrid! Correction: Not able to produce at max output. I set up two planets yesterday to make P3's in one fell swoop but the factories definitely will have downtime. It's a not so bad tactic for someone like me who doesn't log on very often and will likely be using the 4 day cycles that people barely acknowledge exist. This means that the planet is as hands-off as possible since I won't be around too often to shift the P3 materials to my P4 combiner planet.
The Huffarunier	Posted - 2010.06.09 17:19:00 - [8] Originally by: Necronous Originally by: Arajus You will soon realize that you wont be able to create P3 on one planet. You would have to harvest from 4 sources (finding a planet with 4 decent sources is difficult), then they should be close together and even then you have not enough powergrid! Correction: Not able to produce at max output. I set up two planets yesterday to make P3's in one fell swoop but the factories definitely will have downtime. It's a not so bad tactic for someone like me who doesn't log on very often and will likely be using the 4 day cycles that people barely acknowledge exist. This means that the planet is as hands-off as possible since I won't be around too often to shift the P3 materials to my P4 combiner planet. I know with standard command centers I can get 14 buildings and their routes and links, no more. What is the amount you can get with using a higher command center?
Necronous	Posted - 2010.06.09 18:05:00 - [9] Originally by: The Huffarunier I know with standard command centers I can get 14 buildings and their routes and links, no more. What is the amount you can get with using a higher command center? Using Advanced (17000 PG). I have two planets with 22 buildings and one with 21. I'm at work, but maybe I'll revisit this thread with some screenshots when I'm home. Usually: 3x Extractors on each of three different resources, and 4x Extractors on the weakest 4th resource. (13 Extractors, 10400PG). 1 CC and 1 Spaceport near the "center". I connect the CC and Spaceport and route the Extractor clusters to those. (11100 PG used now). 4 Basic and 3 Advanced Factories (+7x700PG = 16000PG used). Otherwise I have about 1000PG left for links and since I'm on rather tiny Ocean/Lava worlds, I'm ok. I ruled out Gas planets before even starting this.
PMolkenthin NibbleTek RED.OverLord	Posted - 2010.06.09 18:14:00 - [10] Originally by: Arajus You will soon realize that you wont be able to create P3 on one planet. You would have to harvest from 4 sources (finding a planet with 4 decent sources is difficult), then they should be close together and even then you have not enough powergrid! I'm producing P4 using 3 planets. 2 of the planets are producing P3, and the 3rd planet mines the P1 and builds the P4.
Necronous	Posted - 2010.06.09 18:19:00 - [11] Originally by: PMolkenthin Originally by: Arajus You will soon realize that you wont be able to create P3 on one planet. You would have to harvest from 4 sources (finding a planet with 4 decent sources is difficult), then they should be close together and even then you have not enough powergrid! I'm producing P4 using 3 planets. 2 of the planets are producing P3, and the 3rd planet mines the P1 and builds the P4. Sounds like you did exactly what I did. Two P3 planets and a third planet producing the final P1+P4 setup while also running a completely independent P2 material.
Wibl Miner	Posted - 2010.06.09 18:45:00 - [12] Using advanced CC's then I take it? Been dabbling with standard and improved CC, but for hisec use they run out of PG way too fast due to the need for numerous extractors...
Emporer Norton	Posted - 2010.06.09 18:54:00 - [13] For a p4 with 3 p3 inputs you need 6 of each p3 so either 2 factorys for each p3 or will be idle half the time p3 takes 2 p2 inputs same thing so need 2 factorys each to be runnging 24/7 therefore need 24000 each raw into 4 factorys each p1/hour going into 4 factorys each p2 into 2 factorys each p3 to one factory each p4 so is 24000 raw 4 p1 4 p2 2 p3 1 p4
Necronous	Posted - 2010.06.09 22:49:00 - [14] Originally by: The Huffarunier I know with standard command centers I can get 14 buildings and their routes and links, no more. What is the amount you can get with using a higher command center? Here's the screenshots I promised: Lava - Smartfab Ocean - Vaccines Barren - Sterile Conduits
The Huffarunier	Posted - 2010.06.09 22:55:00 - [15] Originally by: Necronous Originally by: The Huffarunier I know with standard command centers I can get 14 buildings and their routes and links, no more. What is the amount you can get with using a higher command center? Here's the screenshots I promised: Lava - Smartfab Ocean - Vaccines Barren - Sterile Conduits what level command center is that though?
xXDarth RevanXx	Posted - 2010.06.09 22:56:00 - [16] Edited by: xXDarth RevanXx on 09/06/2010 22:56:57 Not to brag or anything, just one single P4 wont work for me, im doing all the P4 Comodities although this is with 4 accounts so it all works out, just alot of information gathering to get this done and done with Advaced Command Center¦s; this is done in null sec so it all works out in the end.
The Huffarunier	Posted - 2010.06.09 23:09:00 - [17] Originally by: xXDarth RevanXx Edited by: xXDarth RevanXx on 09/06/2010 22:56:57 Not to brag or anything, just one single P4 wont work for me, im doing all the P4 Comodities although this is with 4 accounts so it all works out, just alot of information gathering to get this done and done with Advaced Command Center¦s; this is done in null sec so it all works out in the end. I'm using three planet to produce 1 p3 chain with standard command centers. I could maybe use less planets, but the high-sec planet require alot of extractors on some things.
Awlton Stueen	Posted - 2010.06.09 23:09:00 - [18] could you link this pdf please ?
Necronous	Posted - 2010.06.09 23:43:00 - [19] Edited by: Necronous on 09/06/2010 23:46:13 Edited by: Necronous on 09/06/2010 23:45:29 Originally by: The Huffarunier Originally by: Necronous Originally by: The Huffarunier I know with standard command centers I can get 14 buildings and their routes and links, no more. What is the amount you can get with using a higher command center? Here's the screenshots I promised: Lava - Smartfab Ocean - Vaccines Barren - Sterile Conduits what level command center is that though? As I mentioned above, its the Lv4 Advanced (17000 Grid) Edit: Fixed the Ocean link in both of my posts.
The Huffarunier	Posted - 2010.06.09 23:44:00 - [20] Originally by: Necronous Originally by: The Huffarunier Originally by: Necronous Originally by: The Huffarunier I know with standard command centers I can get 14 buildings and their routes and links, no more. What is the amount you can get with using a higher command center? Here's the screenshots I promised: Lava - Smartfab Ocean - Vaccines Barren - Sterile Conduits what level command center is that though? As I mentioned above, its the Lv4 Advanced (17000 Grid) Oh, sorry I missed that. My apologizes. Looks impressive though

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