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Saladinae
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Posted - 2010.06.09 21:18:00 -
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There are many times when a warning window comes up. There are two options. Yes - to proceed, or No- to disengage.
As of right now, if you hit ENTER or any other similar key, CCP has the default on YES. Although this is fine for most things (like jetting ore out of ship), it is a problem for other things like "If you proceed you will be attacked by Concord and suffer a sec status loss." I cannot say how many times I have lost ships to quickly hitting ENTER, under the subconscious thought that it would register as NO - to disengage.
Proposal: Set the default to NO for all criminal (and other negative) actions.
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Andrest Disch
Amarr Maelstrom Crew
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Posted - 2010.06.09 21:53:00 -
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Not supporting this - although I've only just learnt that pressing enter translates to a "Yes" for these popup windows from your post, this sounds awesome and just solves a lot of awkward situations.
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Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.06.09 21:54:00 -
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Sounds reasonable. You'll want a new name for this thread though, yours is remarkably non-specific.
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Saladinae
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Posted - 2010.06.10 02:49:00 -
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Edited by: Saladinae on 10/06/2010 02:49:03
Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto Sounds reasonable. You'll want a new name for this thread though, yours is remarkably non-specific.
omg I was supported by Yamamoto
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Vladimiru
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Posted - 2010.06.10 08:29:00 -
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Edited by: Vladimiru on 10/06/2010 08:28:52
Originally by: Saladinae Edited by: Saladinae on 10/06/2010 02:49:03
Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto Sounds reasonable. You'll want a new name for this thread though, yours is remarkably non-specific.
omg I was supported by Yamamoto
Herschel's word is Law. I support.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2010.06.10 10:38:00 -
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There should be a way to say 'no' with a key, but since 'enter' is a computer's version of 'yes', it should not be 'enter'.
One thing that most certainly should not be done is to have the default be 'yes' on some, but 'no' on others. -
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Azshann
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Posted - 2010.06.11 04:23:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn There should be a way to say 'no' with a key, but since 'enter' is a computer's version of 'yes', it should not be 'enter'.
One thing that most certainly should not be done is to have the default be 'yes' on some, but 'no' on others.
You are wrong. A computer has no default. The default is what the programmer wrote. Some CCP hired or contracted programmer had to first select WHICH key to use and then define the function of that key. I'm going to give you a BAD example of a programmer screwing with people.
Here's an example of a programmer purposely being a clown: 1) Programmer selects the BACKSPACE key 2) Programmer defines that the BACKSPACE key will select the YES option in the Warning Window. 3) Programmer selects MOUSE 2 (right-click) 4) 2) Programmer defines that the MOUSE 2 key will select the NO option in the Warning Window when hovering over the YES option.
What this translates to: If you press BACKSPACE, you will proceed with the action (if you press enter nothing happens because ENTER is not defined). If you left-click on YES or NO, nothing will happen because MOUSE-1 isn't defined either. Only if you right-click on NO will something happen, except it will still choose YES (this is very common for pop-up windows on websites and other types of malicious adware).
The result: You will be a very confused and angry person.
Here's an example of what the CCP programmer did:
1) Programmer selects the ENTER key 2) Programmer defines that the ENTER key will select the YES option in the Warning Window. 3) Programmer selects MOUSE 1 (left-click) 4) Programmer defines that the MOUSE 1 key will select the YES option in the Warning Window when hovering over the YES option. 5) Programmer defines that the MOUSE 1 key will select the NO option in the Warning Window when hovering over the NO option.
The Result: You are not angry nor confused if you use your mouse to click on the Warning Window. However, if you use your keyboard and hit ENTER, you will accidentally commit a criminal action in high-sec space.
In the future, don't make comments on things you really do not understand. You tend to hang around these forums a lot and makes lots of comments that just make no sense.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2010.06.11 11:32:00 -
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Originally by: Azshann You are wrong. A computer has no default.
Enter (Return) and/or y and/or yes are confirmation commands by default in every operating system I've ever heard of. Though you are right that it is a human defined convention and nothing intrinsic to the machine.
Originally by: Azshann Here's an example of what the CCP programmer did: ... 2) Programmer defines that the ENTER key will select the YES option in the Warning Window. ... The Result: You are not angry nor confused if you use your mouse to click on the Warning Window. However, if you use your keyboard and hit ENTER, you will accidentally commit a criminal action in high-sec space.
You assert that a user could mistakenly think that enter means no, but offer no reasoning. That was a lot of typing to end up saying nothing. -
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Venkul Mul
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Posted - 2010.06.11 12:34:00 -
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While I haven't lost ships to this several times I have "selected" yes when I didn't wanted to do it simply because I was typing in chat and the pop up appeared wen I was completing my phrase.
At 200 keys/minute you are several keys ahead of the PC when the pop up appears and you don't have the time to stop.
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2010.06.11 13:53:00 -
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1. What ever the solution it needs to be consistent. Always yes or no in every confirmation window in the game. One of the most horrible things in a UI is inconsistency and EVE doesn't need any more problems in the UI department.
2. Players need to be able to disable all of these windows. Currently you can just hit enter when an annoying mandatory window blocks your action. It is still crap, but infinitely better than changing the default option to no.
3. Enter is the confirmation key in every program I think I have ever used, so I don't really agree with this. Catering to the few exceptions who haven't grasped that concept is not a good reason to punish the majority who have.
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Aelsa
Portal Technologies
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Posted - 2010.06.11 20:33:00 -
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No, ENTER should always be to confirm, i.e. actually doing whatever command you had already issued. Why would you think that ENTER means cancel?
I would support a proposal for clearer error messages, though.
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