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AncientGuardian
Gallente Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2010.06.11 03:30:00 -
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Edited by: AncientGuardian on 11/06/2010 03:29:57 Currently, from my experience, Exploration can be a nice profession, however, some aspects do not seam to be balanced.
the balance between the types of exploration sites greatly varies. for this, I will assume that Radar sites are standard, and acceptable. so from there, things will be compared. (from my experience from exploration)
currently, Radar sites can yield a decent surprise, for me, its a 40%-60% chance of being worth the time. sometimes I will find a radar site, and there be nothing inside at all, and even rarer (as expected) i will 'hit it big'.
Grav sites are pretty much similar, The harder the site is to find, the more valuable the assets within. the best sites really cant be found with out the specialized ships. (example given by finding a bistot/crokite site in low sec, scanning from a standard cruiser, was not able to pin 100% scan, this IMO would be expected for such a valuable site) Grav sites, Like radar sites, in their own way, scale appropriately.
Ladar sites: I honestly having found enough of these to rate them, the ones i have found (since Aprocrypha) needed hacking tools, and those sites were worth the effort.
Now, the issue:
But the seriously unbalanced part, Magnetometric sites. I have found myself wanting to ignore these, but, as an explorer, i just cant. but every time I find one, they are not worth the time. when salvage is found its just not worth the time for a salvager to cycle. I can get more salvage from a level 1 mission. and then, the chances for anything else seam crazy. from my experience, mag sites just are not worth the time to bother looking for. I feel that Mag sites should be brought in line with the other types of sites, and be a bit more worth the effort. for salvage find, I feel the amount of salvage in each can should be increased per chance. For the "big find" sites, possibly increase the chance of a rig BP or skill find.
If this issue has been raised before, feel free to flame me, then get on with your life.
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Taxesarebad
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Posted - 2010.06.11 05:15:00 -
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though i agree, i think magneto sites in W-space is where they become valuable as sleeper salvage is where money is. for highsec at least, where are some thoughs Radar sites are good Magnetic sites are next to worthless Grav sites are RIDICULOUSLY hard to pinpoint have never seen ladar.
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.06.11 05:21:00 -
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Mag sites are the salvage ones right? Yeah, I wish they'd just remove them because the frig rats that spawn to defend the cans are worth more than whatever might be inside the cans.
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Crazy KSK
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Posted - 2010.06.11 14:45:00 -
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yep they need fixing big time they should drop t2 salvage sometimes and also blueprints that are worth something I once found a large t2 bpc and was super happy but then I saw that no one ever uses powergrid subroutine maximizer II's
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Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2010.06.11 16:30:00 -
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Mag sites, in general, are really quite awful. I run them anyway because that's the kind of person I am, but srsly, it's rarely worth the time. In fact, I don't think I have received anything worthwhile from a Mag site in at least six months...
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Dark Drifter
Amarr Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.11 19:45:00 -
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i love to be the one that throws the spanner in to your little steem engine, but :
high security scan sites are not suposed to be ISK printing machines, they are to give u a taste of the things you could be getting more of in low and null sec.
there is nothing wrong with magnometric sites at they currently stand, they can drop obsceen amount of salvage (or they can yeld none) i usualy run these sites in low sec and i have run them in 0.0 b4 now,
u can expect: large quantitys of T1 salvage components T2 salvage dus drop quite often for me rigging skill books T2 rig BPC's (in the realy good sites)
if ur not having luck with mag sites in high sec just find a quiet spot in low/0.0 to scan and do the sites there u will soon change ur oppinions reguarding mag sites to our departed friend EDD "april 09" fly true man |
Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.06.11 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Drifter high security scan sites are not suposed to be ISK printing machines, they are to give u a taste of the things you could be getting more of in low and null sec.
I wasn't talking about high sec.
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AncientGuardian
Gallente Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2010.06.12 00:47:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Dark Drifter high security scan sites are not suposed to be ISK printing machines, they are to give u a taste of the things you could be getting more of in low and null sec.
I wasn't talking about high sec.
-Liang
Same here, Dark Drifter, Even in low sec, and null sec Mag sites, you get crap.
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Xearal
SOL Industries Kamikaze Project
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Posted - 2010.06.12 01:46:00 -
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Edited by: Xearal on 12/06/2010 01:46:40 I have 0 experience with low sec and null sec mag sites, so can't say anything about those. However, I do agree that in high sec, the Mag sites compared to the other sites are worthless. A decent radar site is worth around 10M, a grav site can be ok, though still not as good as simply mining high sec minerals, but that's just because the low-sec minerals aren't worth enough, there's plenty of value in the sites themselves quantatively, I've never found a ladar site in high sec, I am assuming they only spawn in low/null-sec and W-space.
W-space is a totally different story, because everything that drops in there is in some way part of making T3 components, so they all have their values and uses. Right now, a high sec radar site is worth next to nothing, especially if you compare the time you need to find and clean it out, a level 1 mission, or a run into a 1/10 plex will get you better results.
Buffing up mag sites in high sec a little so they are more in line with the others would be very good for my favorite profession.
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Miss President
SOLARIS ASTERIUS
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Posted - 2010.06.12 05:17:00 -
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I have experience with null sec mag sites, they suck most of the time and are much harder to scan than radar.
After years of notices, CCP still has not done anything to improve lacking content.
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Malachi256
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Posted - 2010.07.04 05:23:00 -
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Edited by: Malachi256 on 04/07/2010 05:23:42 I just returned after a 2 year break. I think the basic mechanics of Exploration are a lot of fun - scanning stuff down is cool, the whole treasure hunt feel of it is great.
But Magnetometric sites are pretty much taking the wind out of my sails. These should be the BEST sites for an explorer - rare archaeology that takes hour(s) to find, but is sometimes worth big bucks. Instead it's a CONSTANT disappointment.
How could they spend so much time making a fun interface mechanism for something like exploration, and then totally screw it up at the last minute by not fixing a loot table?!
And I'm not even getting into the more development-involved possibilities... stuff like "treasure map" type items, something that would actually appeal to explorers.
I guess I feel much the same way about exploration as I do about PI - great initial execution, great setup, very fun learning curve... but the long term rewards (in the case of exploration) or the maintenance (PI) just ruins the whole experience.
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Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
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Posted - 2010.07.04 07:23:00 -
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-Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
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Takseen
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Posted - 2010.07.04 10:02:00 -
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They need to drop much better rewards if they're to be worth scanning out, and they're absolutely terrible compared to their sister radar sites. Having them drop a small amount of tech 2 salvage would be the obvious solution.
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Scandal Caulker
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Posted - 2010.07.04 21:05:00 -
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Intact salvage is the probably the answer. It needs to be seeded.
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Dariah Stardweller
Gung-Ho
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Posted - 2010.07.04 21:13:00 -
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Clovermite
Kamikaze Fleet Command Kamikaze Project
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Posted - 2010.07.04 22:55:00 -
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Posted - 2010.08.02 03:33:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren Mag sites are the salvage ones right? Yeah, I wish they'd just remove them because the frig rats that spawn to defend the cans are worth more than whatever might be inside the cans.
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I dont think they are worthless, in high sec yes, but low/0.0 you can get bank just from 1-2 sites.
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Mister Swift
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Posted - 2010.08.02 07:12:00 -
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+1
High-sec Magnetometric sites are not worth the time spent to probe them out.
I fail to see the point behind them: they're rarer (for me) than Radar sites, they're harder to probe out, in high-sec they take barely less time to run than Radar sites, and their loot is beyond abyssmal.
I'd probably make more money ratting in 0.8 than probing, warping to and running Mag sites. I'm not saying they should be ISK printing factories, but just that there should be some sort of reward for spending the time scanning them out (when they even spawn) and wasting a mid slot on an Analyzer.
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Gecko O'Bac
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.08.02 12:19:00 -
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Dunno about high sec, but I'd like my 100, 150 mills of worth in intact armor plates from sansha magnetomatric sites being left alone :D
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Mister Swift
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Posted - 2010.08.02 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Gecko O'Bac Dunno about high sec, but I'd like my 100, 150 mills of worth in intact armor plates from sansha magnetomatric sites being left alone :D
Aww come on! Spread the love! Let us carebears in highsec at least get a tiny taste of what it's like to get magnetometric sites like that :D
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Gecko O'Bac
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.08.02 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Mister Swift
Originally by: Gecko O'Bac Dunno about high sec, but I'd like my 100, 150 mills of worth in intact armor plates from sansha magnetomatric sites being left alone :D
Aww come on! Spread the love! Let us carebears in highsec at least get a tiny taste of what it's like to get magnetometric sites like that :D
I'll be flamed for this but...
Join a 0.0 alliance and join the fun?
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adriaans
Ankaa. Nair Al-Zaurak
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Posted - 2010.08.02 22:54:00 -
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Make them drop faction pos bpc's.. that'd make them worthwhile
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Mister Swift
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Posted - 2010.08.03 06:35:00 -
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Originally by: Gecko O'Bac
Originally by: Mister Swift
Originally by: Gecko O'Bac Dunno about high sec, but I'd like my 100, 150 mills of worth in intact armor plates from sansha magnetomatric sites being left alone :D
Aww come on! Spread the love! Let us carebears in highsec at least get a tiny taste of what it's like to get magnetometric sites like that :D
I'll be flamed for this but...
Join a 0.0 alliance and join the fun?
Unfortunately my out-of-game friends who I play EVE with are too risk averse to set foot outside high-sec after years of carebear conditioning in their Drakes and Ravens
I have absolutely no problem with 0.0 having all the juicy loot, it just leaves a bitter taste in my mouth that my advice to new players when it comes to highsec exploration is almost (but not quite) "Radar, or keep looking"
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Gecko O'Bac
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.08.03 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: Mister Swift Unfortunately my out-of-game friends who I play EVE with are too risk averse to set foot outside high-sec after years of carebear conditioning in their Drakes and Ravens
I have absolutely no problem with 0.0 having all the juicy loot, it just leaves a bitter taste in my mouth that my advice to new players when it comes to highsec exploration is almost (but not quite) "Radar, or keep looking"
Well tbh player 0.0 if you are in a decent alliance is almost as safe as high sec. Anyway...
Yeah I can understand that, but it's hardly a "site" problem... It's just that the market decided that most rig components are worthless and only some 3 or 5 components are worth something... A little rebalancing would be hard to do and would upset the market balance anyway...
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Commoner
Caldari The Tuskers
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Posted - 2010.08.03 16:31:00 -
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"Ignore scan result"
Most used option for me in lowsec. I've done a dozen and every time i did one i asked myself why i did it.
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paritybit
Moira. Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.08.03 17:04:00 -
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Edited by: paritybit on 03/08/2010 17:04:13 Completely agreed; I have done many of these sites, and every time I come away nearly empty handed.
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wr3cks
Reliables Inc Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.08.03 18:58:00 -
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Yep, no doubt about it, they suck.
I've heard of people occasionally getting the Talocan/Takhmal/whatever Technology skillbooks from the nullsec sites, though I've never seen them. Best take is like a racial decryption methods skillbook and one or two near-useless T2 rig BPCs.
I don't do them anymore, they take a while and they're usually junk. I don't even finish scanning them down.
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Laina Delapore
Red Sun Industries Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.04 12:00:00 -
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Empire mag sites could certainly do with a little love.
No one wants them to be ISK-printing machines; but providing rewards more in line with those obtainable from equivalent Radar sites wouldn't be too much to ask.
After all, there's plenty of highsec DED sites, static and otherwise, that will provide rewards way in excess of these for only fractionally more effort. |
Xandor M
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Posted - 2010.08.04 12:09:00 -
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nullsec mag sites are right on par with nullsec radars and usualy better.
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Ere Colliseru
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Posted - 2010.08.04 14:47:00 -
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Concerning high sec I would say for grav sites orientate on the market value. With omber beeing worth nothing I dont want to search for those. Make it plag or whatever is the best and second best ore in high sec at the time. plus the pocket should be as big as about 50% of "breaking their will".
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