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Jazz Tangle
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Posted - 2010.06.12 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Kerfira Edited by: Kerfira on 12/06/2010 14:31:50 Maybe 1% of the player base do L5's, maybe 1% of those will quit. That's 30 accounts... I think EVE will survive.
Well last time I checked there were 60k accounts online last weekend. 1% = 600 players. Not that I would ever stop playing eve because lvl5 missions will become a thing of the past for me, but I would doubt if this is something CCP wants to achieve.
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deathforu
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Posted - 2010.06.12 14:38:00 -
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omg you sissy's that sit there and say oh my! you took away lvl 5 missions from high sec i'm quitting my account! i have to words for that. SEE YA!!!!! go back to wow and cry there. i'm glad they are doing it. weeds out the whiners. want some crackers to go with your whine! i mean seriously. they said it was a bug to begin with when this first happened. be happy to reaped the rewards and move on you bunch of sissy-boy pansies.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.12 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Kimbeau Surveryor
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Kimbeau Surveryor It's not hard, but it's boring. And extremely annoying when you slip up.
But it doesnt stop you from ever doing level Vs. The only thing that does stop people from doing level Vs is themselves.
Yes, true. But as I said earlier, this issue is really about whether missioneers will continue to enjoy Eve or not. Ultimately, the only thing stopping people from leaving Eve is themselves, too.
Well I know a few people who do level Vs in low sec with no problems. I also know people who run around doing missions in FW and in 0.0 with no problems and they all find it fun to do (or as fun as missions can be). These missions have always been advertised as a low sec activity and this change is not going to make any difference to the people who are wiling to take risk other than removing the risk of the high sec/low sec gatecamps which are far more widespread than roaming gangs of pirates with probers.
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Kimbeau Surveryor
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Posted - 2010.06.12 14:41:00 -
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Edited by: Kimbeau Surveryor on 12/06/2010 14:42:02
Originally by: Kerfira Maybe 1% of the player base do L5's, maybe 1% of those will quit. That's 30 accounts... I think EVE will survive.
Like almost everyone else, you've missed an important point. Level 5s are an aspiration for many more people than the few who actually run them regularly. I've run L5s in a large gang, in the past; I don't do them regularly now because I realised I needed more SP and more expensive mods to run them in a sensible time. But the dream of one day soloing Level 5s is one of the things that has kept me in Eve. Until now.
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Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy Spreadsheets Online
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Posted - 2010.06.12 14:43:00 -
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Lvl 5s shouldnt be happening in high sec at all (close to fixed?) lvl 4s which border lowsec should be sent to lowsec (fixed?)
I see no problem here.
Now the funny part.. because of this all the mission runners now leaving highseclvl5s and the bordering lowsec lvl4s. We are going to have giant exodus into the deep highsec agents. Where there are few. So what used to be 50-100 people systems. Now likely becoming 400+
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Capt Decker
Caldari Sherwoods Finest Corp
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Posted - 2010.06.12 14:44:00 -
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Why in the world or I should say in space did you people do this "However, while that particular distribution bug was fixed, agents may still occasionally send you to a 0.5 system for a level 5 mission. This quirk is being looked into; once it has been resolved, level 5 missions always occur in low- or null-sec systems." I am a mission runner/miner in High Sec only. I do not go into low sec - why- because I'm not wasting my decked out Golem or other expensive ships by get blow up by Criminals who just want to run in gangs and destroy people. Not my ideal of fun after a hard day at work, my ideal fun is PVC and mining. So why don't you Tech guys get with your PR people and you finance people and send out a survey to all the players and find out which is more important to the players, making people move to low sec (where you have to watch your back all the time because some one else just wants to destroy you for "their fun")because that is where you can only find updated and harder level missions, or High sec were you can do your thing without having to worry if someone or group is going jump you and destroy all you've worked hard for over the course of 4 - 5 years. I pay MY hard earned cash like everyone else, so I should be able to play my way with out worrying about getting destroyed. I would love to be able to run level 5 and maybe in the future level 6 missions in high sec all the time. Finding out the answer just may make your bottom line go up and not only keep current players, but get a lot of new ones to join and stay around longer then a month or 2. P.S. Please CCP, get in touch and we can discuss this further.
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Phasmatisss
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Posted - 2010.06.12 14:46:00 -
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An interesting part of this thread is a reasonable number of PvPers saying finaly I don't have to go to high sec to get my level V missions/rewards. You never did, the level V agents handed out way more lo sec missions than hi sec. Plus there are very few level V agents bordering on hi sec systems.
More whining from lo sec gankers that really only want to gate camp or scan down people in PvE ships that are under a lot of dps and kill them. Hey it sounds like they are doing exactly what they complain the carebears are doing, killing ships WITH NO RISK INVOLVED.
Lo sec gankers are carebears, who knew.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.12 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: Capt Decker Why in the world or I should say in space did you people do this "However, while that particular distribution bug was fixed, agents may still occasionally send you to a 0.5 system for a level 5 mission. This quirk is being looked into; once it has been resolved, level 5 missions always occur in low- or null-sec systems." I am a mission runner/miner in High Sec only. I do not go into low sec - why- because I'm not wasting my decked out Golem or other expensive ships by get blow up by Criminals who just want to run in gangs and destroy people. Not my ideal of fun after a hard day at work, my ideal fun is PVC and mining. So why don't you Tech guys get with your PR people and you finance people and send out a survey to all the players and find out which is more important to the players, making people move to low sec (where you have to watch your back all the time because some one else just wants to destroy you for "their fun")because that is where you can only find updated and harder level missions, or High sec were you can do your thing without having to worry if someone or group is going jump you and destroy all you've worked hard for over the course of 4 - 5 years. I pay MY hard earned cash like everyone else, so I should be able to play my way with out worrying about getting destroyed. I would love to be able to run level 5 and maybe in the future level 6 missions in high sec all the time. Finding out the answer just may make your bottom line go up and not only keep current players, but get a lot of new ones to join and stay around longer then a month or 2. P.S. Please CCP, get in touch and we can discuss this further.
You are playing the wrong game.
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deathforu
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Posted - 2010.06.12 14:50:00 -
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well i look at things like this since people who are pve're just don't get the point. You want to whine and cry because some of your missions bring you into lowsec then move to wow. you whiner's can still get wardec'd and it might happen. so keep crying and to those that like eve as a pvp based game i say wardec the entire pve community and send them packing to more pve like games. you bunch of care bear pansies need to get out of a man's game and go back to 12 year old wowville
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Phasmatisss
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Posted - 2010.06.12 14:52:00 -
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A very egotistical comment don't you think.
CCP promotes their sandbox publicly and heavily as a place for people to play any way they want. Yet you are telling him his game play/style is wrong. I guess some one promoted you to God while we were all sleeping.
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Capt Decker Why in the world or I should say in space did you people do this "However, while that particular distribution bug was fixed, agents may still occasionally send you to a 0.5 system for a level 5 mission. This quirk is being looked into; once it has been resolved, level 5 missions always occur in low- or null-sec systems." I am a mission runner/miner in High Sec only. I do not go into low sec - why- because I'm not wasting my decked out Golem or other expensive ships by get blow up by Criminals who just want to run in gangs and destroy people. Not my ideal of fun after a hard day at work, my ideal fun is PVC and mining. So why don't you Tech guys get with your PR people and you finance people and send out a survey to all the players and find out which is more important to the players, making people move to low sec (where you have to watch your back all the time because some one else just wants to destroy you for "their fun")because that is where you can only find updated and harder level missions, or High sec were you can do your thing without having to worry if someone or group is going jump you and destroy all you've worked hard for over the course of 4 - 5 years. I pay MY hard earned cash like everyone else, so I should be able to play my way with out worrying about getting destroyed. I would love to be able to run level 5 and maybe in the future level 6 missions in high sec all the time. Finding out the answer just may make your bottom line go up and not only keep current players, but get a lot of new ones to join and stay around longer then a month or 2. P.S. Please CCP, get in touch and we can discuss this further.
You are playing the wrong game.
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NuNu GayGoBar
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Posted - 2010.06.12 14:54:00 -
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All CCP are doing is fixing a problem that isnĘt a problem. Level 5Ęs should be included in High sec also.
Taking a look around high sec at the moment you can already see high sec population moving further into high sec to avoid low sec missions. The proof is right there. The majority of players arenĘt interested in low sec missions. I canĘt see how anyone at CCP could justify any nerfing to missions in high sec.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.12 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Phasmatisss A very egotistical comment don't you think.
CCP promotes their sandbox publicly and heavily as a place for people to play any way they want. Yet you are telling him his game play/style is wrong. I guess some one promoted you to God while we were all sleeping.
He wants no risk in a game that offers risk vs reward. Quite simply EVE will not cater to his needs.
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deathforu
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Posted - 2010.06.12 14:58:00 -
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I have an idea for ccp. sell limited pirate permits so those in lowsec and go and gank those in hisec. that will make the game interesting.
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Shaadowlurker
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.06.12 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: Kerfira
Besides... Where do you get the PvE-only crap from? EVE is sold as primarily a PvP game...
ok, then to hell with it, lets just remove everything from the game, or make it useless. Lets remove mining, mining is boring, right ? Lets remove industry and the markets, wth, we got npc`s that can sell all that stuff. Lets remove all the useless ships and leave only the ones that pew-pew. this is a pvp game after all, isnt it ? And while we`re at it, we should remove all those stations where carebears go and hide all the time. sorry for my english
For me, what got me into playing the game was that its a lot like real life (with the added sci-fi elements). Its not like other mmo`s where for example if you are a healer, you`re stuck healing the crap out of people until you either quit or reroll some other class. In eve, just like in real life, you can be pretty much anything with more or less work/effort. Making certain careers less profitable will force players to look into other activities/professions. But you cannot expect to actually have a chance to go against the players that were doing that certain thing long before you even thought about it. Also, telling some to go to low/nullsec wont work either. Its like taking a guy form the relative safety of his neighborhood and throwing him out in the jungle where the guerrillas are. It doesn`t work like that. Yeah, i know you will come with that bs that we live in a cold and cruel world, but even in a world like this, there are safe heavens and people are making a living there, no matter how much the terrorists/guerrillas out there are whining about it.
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NuNu GayGoBar
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Posted - 2010.06.12 14:59:00 -
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Edited by: NuNu GayGoBar on 12/06/2010 15:01:58
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Phasmatisss A very egotistical comment don't you think.
CCP promotes their sandbox publicly and heavily as a place for people to play any way they want. Yet you are telling him his game play/style is wrong. I guess some one promoted you to God while we were all sleeping.
He wants no risk in a game that offers risk vs reward. Quite simply EVE will not cater to his needs.
Does eve really offer risk vs reward?
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Phasmatisss
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Posted - 2010.06.12 15:03:00 -
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CCP promotes that in their advertising, do you have a method of giving traders a risk/reward ballance as well as they can make huge amounts of ISK with no risk.
Again you are trying to make people play the way you want them too, not the way they want too.
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Phasmatisss A very egotistical comment don't you think.
CCP promotes their sandbox publicly and heavily as a place for people to play any way they want. Yet you are telling him his game play/style is wrong. I guess some one promoted you to God while we were all sleeping.
He wants no risk in a game that offers risk vs reward. Quite simply EVE will not cater to his needs.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.12 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: NuNu GayGoBar Edited by: NuNu GayGoBar on 12/06/2010 15:01:58
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Phasmatisss A very egotistical comment don't you think.
CCP promotes their sandbox publicly and heavily as a place for people to play any way they want. Yet you are telling him his game play/style is wrong. I guess some one promoted you to God while we were all sleeping.
He wants no risk in a game that offers risk vs reward. Quite simply EVE will not cater to his needs.
Does eve really offer risk vs reward?
Level 4 missions in 0.0 are a hell of a lot better than in high sec.
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Tiberius Cochrane
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Posted - 2010.06.12 15:08:00 -
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Seems to me that the 'risk v. reward' concept of Eve is very similar to that of a casino... the more you wager, the more you 'might' win... but in Vegas, the odds are stacked. You don't win, you just decide the point at which you've lost enough. Trying to seemingly force people who play Eve for the PVE aspect of having fun and wasting time (cuz isn't that really all that video games are, wastes of time?") into the fun and thrill of the riskier lo sec systems is like the bouncers at the MGM Grand physically carrying you over to the roulette wheel when you just showed up for the buffet and lounge act. I personally don't gamble much because always looking for that big risky payout is a good way to end up broke.
Mission runners run missions... PVP players engage in PVP... Why mix the two?
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Munin Ravensong
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Posted - 2010.06.12 15:11:00 -
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Lvl 5's were INTENDED to be lowsec activity, welcome to eve.
If low-sec terrifies you that badly, don't do level 5 missions, Lvl 4's pay better isk/hour anyway.
Oh your bored with lvl 4 missions, and highsec mining? Well Eve is a PvP game on a PvP server.....
Tired of getting the ever living **** ganked out of you when you enter low-sec? Fly with a fleet, hell "blob up" if you have to.
Just because the dev's are pulling out highsec lvl 5's does not mean that all the sudden there is nothing to do in highsec - it just means that to play with the bigger toys you have to leave the kiddie pool and step into the ocean.
If you don't want your ass kicked keep your lvl 10 characters the hell out of the late game raid instances, If you are afraid of PvP, stay the hell out of Stranglethorn vale, and stay where thenpc guards will kill any Pvpers who try to gank you. (OOPS, wrong game, but these idiots whining about this won't be any happier in WoW - even the games that try can't protect you from your own stupidity.)
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Kimbeau Surveryor
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Posted - 2010.06.12 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: Tiberius Cochrane Mission runners run missions... PVP players engage in PVP... Why mix the two?
I enjoy the presence of PvP-ers in the game. It adds colour. But I want to control (at least to some extent) where, when and how I tangle with them!
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Tiberius Cochrane
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Posted - 2010.06.12 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Munin Ravensong Lvl 5's were INTENDED to be lowsec activity, welcome to eve.
If low-sec terrifies you that badly, don't do level 5 missions, Lvl 4's pay better isk/hour anyway.
Oh your bored with lvl 4 missions, and highsec mining? Well Eve is a PvP game on a PvP server.....
Tired of getting the ever living **** ganked out of you when you enter low-sec? Fly with a fleet, hell "blob up" if you have to.
Just because the dev's are pulling out highsec lvl 5's does not mean that all the sudden there is nothing to do in highsec - it just means that to play with the bigger toys you have to leave the kiddie pool and step into the ocean.
If you don't want your ass kicked keep your lvl 10 characters the hell out of the late game raid instances, If you are afraid of PvP, stay the hell out of Stranglethorn vale, and stay where thenpc guards will kill any Pvpers who try to gank you. (OOPS, wrong game, but these idiots whining about this won't be any happier in WoW - even the games that try can't protect you from your own stupidity.)
Good point about the PVP in Stranglethorn Vale, but this is kinda like allowing the opposing faction to crash your instance.
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StonerPhReaK
Imperial Tau Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.06.12 15:19:00 -
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GJ on fixing the lvl 5's.To aspire to do level 5's means you should aspire to be able to handle low sec.Sorry you cant go afk in oyur domi's of doom as with most lvl 4 runners.And whats up with people claiming to cancel sub's,Seems to be the new thing to say to get things done your way.Get over yourself.Your 1-3 accounts being canceled arent goin to change anything.
TL&DR GJ on the fix CCP
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Sader Rykane
Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.06.12 15:23:00 -
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This would be a good idea if:
Level 5's were redisigned to be similar to sleepers:
1. Less ships, more damage. 2. Target switching, target switching, target switching. 3. Susceptible to Ewar like sleepers are, (jamming, neuting, tracking disruptors, damps etc etc)
Make level 5's like sleepers, so the attacker and the person being jumped BOTH have aggro. That way flying a PvE ships isn't 100% suicide.
Sig Gallery is currently down: Contact me ingame for prices.
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adriaans
Amarr Ankaa. Nair Al-Zaurak
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Posted - 2010.06.12 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Ghurthe #2 - If not adding Level 5s to null sec, give level 5 missions sleeper AI. At the very least this will put pirates on equal footing with those running missions.
As a pirate that would make it easier to kill/catch people as unprobable (well almost) fits with an unprobable logi combo would no longer work as the logi would be melted meaning people need to use ships thats way faster to probe. As one who runs the missions AND as one who hunts the others i don't see the benefit from the mission runner point of view.
Originally by: Ghurthe The trouble is not 'I might lose a ship' the issue is that the value of the ship you need to put at risk to run a level 5 mission properly without a fleet of at least 5 players, and at the point where you're using 5 players it's so worthless you might as well run level 4s, the cost of a properly tanked ship is so high that so much as one loss in every 20 missions is enough to put you at a loss for doing level 5s.
That's all there is to it, if the likelihood of losing your ship is any greater than 5% than the risk is greater than the reward. Because even with 1 Billion isk made from level 5s that STILL won't replace a T2 Purger rigged Rattler which is basically the ONLY thing that properly tanked an Em/Thermal mission well.
If you need a 1-4b ship you're doing it wrong, particularly if you use purger rigs.
hint: resist tengu with 3x bcu and backup arrays and remote eccm from unprobable logi, the average lvl 4 skiller can not probe it. Add implants and the prober needs very very high skills. --signature-- Support the Field Command ship boost: Here |
xo3e
The Deliberate Forces WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.06.12 15:25:00 -
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Edited by: xo3e on 12/06/2010 15:25:22 lol whine more ))
GJ CCP. im doing lv5 in low sec and i hope that LP exchange rate will grow a bit. maim, kill, burn! |
Kimbeau Surveryor
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Posted - 2010.06.12 15:45:00 -
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Edited by: Kimbeau Surveryor on 12/06/2010 15:48:03 I really don't see why the PvP-ers are moaning so much about our moans. We're not saying we want huge ISK-faucets; we're just asking to be allowed to play Eve with the challenges we enjoy. By all means nerf the rewards if you think they're distorting the economy, but don't force us to play a game we don't enjoy. Unless CCP really do want PvE-ers to leave?
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.12 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: Kimbeau Surveryor I really don't see why the PvP-ers are moaning so much about our moans. We're not saying we want huge ISK-fawcets; we're just asking to be allowed to play Eve with the challenges we enjoy. By all means nerf the rewards if you think they're distorting the economy, but don't force us to play a game we don't enjoy. Unless CCP really do want PvE-ers to leave?
Level V missions were made for low sec so it stands to reason that they take place in lowsec.
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Kimbeau Surveryor
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Posted - 2010.06.12 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Kimbeau Surveryor I really don't see why the PvP-ers are moaning so much about our moans. We're not saying we want huge ISK-fawcets; we're just asking to be allowed to play Eve with the challenges we enjoy. By all means nerf the rewards if you think they're distorting the economy, but don't force us to play a game we don't enjoy. Unless CCP really do want PvE-ers to leave?
Level V missions were made for low sec so it stands to reason that they take place in lowsec.
I think I'd rather take the view "Eve was made to be fun for as many people as possible (presumably, since that maximises income for CCP), so it stands to reason that it should provide the gameplay to maximise the number of people who find it fun."
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Ecoskii
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Posted - 2010.06.12 16:05:00 -
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Stupid unnecessary 'fix'. There are very few lvl5 agents and all missions now appear within a jump of them - pirates aren't so dumb as to miss that. Few people would attempt them without T2 ships but the risk/reward is now pointless. This makes them now virtually un-useable - they will now join the rest of the 'legacy content'. Stupid change and complete over-reaction - wasted time and effort.
A more sensible change might have been to scale the rewards more to the system the mission was completed in, or significantly reduce the chance of them appearing in high-sec, or significantly increasing the number of agents to distribute the systems more widely - grats on missing all of those.... |
baltec1
Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.12 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Kimbeau Surveryor I think I'd rather take the view "Eve was made to be fun for as many people as possible (presumably, since that maximises income for CCP), so it stands to reason that it should provide the gameplay to maximise the number of people who find it fun."
No I'll stick with them making level Vs for low sec to bring some worth into going into low sec. Thankfully CCP are continuing to stick to their guns and refuse to go after the non existent masses like many other failed MMOs have tried to do.
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