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Batchie Minmatar SOTI Inc. Napalm Sticks To Kids	Posted - 2010.06.14 00:56:00 - [1] Why are there lights on a Covert Ops ship? Its not very covert...
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.06.14 00:58:00 - [2] Edited by: Akita T on 14/06/2010 01:02:29 Stealth in space TL;DR : those lights won't make any noticeable difference. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Nooma K'Larr Minmatar	Posted - 2010.06.14 01:08:00 - [3] Ideally a "stealth" spaceship shouldnt have any flashing lights. It should have a radar absorbing, non relecting smoth surface, and be angular in shape to deflect any radar signals bouncing off of it. The thrusters would be internal. No external exhaust. It wouldnt be perfect stealth but it would be hard to detect. -------------------------------------- If you don't like my posts, then why waste your time commenting in them? --------------------------------------
BeanBagKing Ch3mic4l Warfare STR8NGE BREW	Posted - 2010.06.14 01:11:00 - [4] Originally by: Nooma K'Larr Ideally a "stealth" spaceship shouldnt have any flashing lights. It should have a radar absorbing, non relecting smoth surface, and be angular in shape to deflect any radar signals bouncing off of it. The thrusters would be internal. No external exhaust. It wouldnt be perfect stealth but it would be hard to detect. Someone obviously didn't even skim over Akita's post before tossing in their .02 ISK
Zaknussem Intrum Industria	Posted - 2010.06.14 01:14:00 - [5] Seriously, read that article. Stealth in space is impossible...unless a ship is packing a portable black hole to suck in all the thermal energy generated by the ship...but then you only have to keep an eye out for a black hole that's moving in a suspicious manner.
Nooma K'Larr Minmatar	Posted - 2010.06.14 01:16:00 - [6] Originally by: BeanBagKing Originally by: Nooma K'Larr Ideally a "stealth" spaceship shouldnt have any flashing lights. It should have a radar absorbing, non relecting smoth surface, and be angular in shape to deflect any radar signals bouncing off of it. The thrusters would be internal. No external exhaust. It wouldnt be perfect stealth but it would be hard to detect. Someone obviously didn't even skim over Akita's post before tossing in their .02 ISK I did. But like I said, you cant make it perfect but you can make it hard to detect IMO. Even with present day technology, it is possible to make a spaceship that visually blends into the background giving it a cloaking effect. The surfact would be coated with material much like your computer screen. Pinhole cameras would be placed strategically around the ship, and whatever the camera is viewing would be displayed on the opposite side of the ship's skin giving it an invisble effect. With all due respect ot Akita's post, just becuase it's on the internet doesnt mean it's true. Science is full of impossibilies that are eventually busted. -------------------------------------- If you don't like my posts, then why waste your time commenting in them? --------------------------------------
AFK FAPPING	Posted - 2010.06.14 01:41:00 - [7] Edited by: AFK FAPPING on 14/06/2010 01:45:42 Originally by: Nooma K'Larr Ideally a "stealth" spaceship shouldnt have any flashing lights. It should have a radar absorbing, non relecting smoth surface, and be angular in shape to deflect any radar signals bouncing off of it. The thrusters would be internal. No external exhaust. That may be the way stealthy craft are designed now, but not Eve covert ops ships. Instead of using passive stealth methods (which would make them always "cloaked") they use an active cloaking device which must be activated. 1. Train cloaking 2. Fit cloak on a ship 3. ?????????? <- insert any semi plausible explanation or pseudo-scientific technobabble 4. Profit The premise is that the cloaking device is a (relatively) small, modular device that can somehow mask any emissions from the ship, which means it doesn't matter how many lights it has or what it's made of or how many terawatts of thrust the engines produce.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.06.14 01:42:00 - [8] Edited by: Akita T on 14/06/2010 01:44:17 Originally by: Nooma K'Larr just becuase it's on the internet doesnt mean it's true. Just because it's on the internet doesn't mean it's NOT true. If you have any objections, read up and try to find the logic hole in it. Originally by: Nooma K'Larr Even with present day technology, it is possible to make a spaceship that visually blends into the background giving it a cloaking effect. VISUALLY, maybe. But that means jack-all from a thermal standpoint. And IR detection is trivial in space. Originally by: Nooma K'Larr Originally by: BeanBagKing Someone obviously didn't even skim over Akita's post before tossing in their .02 ISK I did. Skim a tiny bit more. Originally by: AFK FAPPING 1. Train cloaking 2. Fit cloak on a ship 3. ?????????? <- insert any semi plausible explanation or pseudo-scientific technobabble 4. Profit Bingo It's step 3 that makes all the difference. The "magitek" of "cloaking devices" solves all those problems. INCLUDING the lights on the hull when not cloaked. In other words... "TL;DR : those lights won't make any noticeable difference" _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Gladys Pank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.06.14 01:51:00 - [9] You cant see the lights when its cloaked so its fine.
Nooma K'Larr Minmatar	Posted - 2010.06.14 01:51:00 - [10] well, you may as well argue that there is really no such thing as stealth at all. Stealth in space is just another example. Even military stealth aircraft are not 100% stealthy. they have been shot down. You just have varying degrees of visibility, be it visually or electromagnetically, or acoustically. With a sensitive enough device you can no doubt detect the gravitational well an invisble spacecraft creates in space itself. So unless you can make it disappear from space itself, there is no stealth. All you can really do is just make the signature as small as possible. -------------------------------------- If you don't like my posts, then why waste your time commenting in them? --------------------------------------
Batchie Minmatar SOTI Inc. Napalm Sticks To Kids	Posted - 2010.06.14 01:52:00 - [11] Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 14/06/2010 01:02:29 TL;DR : those lights won't make any noticeable difference. But they're GREEN!!
Nooma K'Larr Minmatar	Posted - 2010.06.14 01:58:00 - [12] Originally by: Batchie Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 14/06/2010 01:02:29 TL;DR : those lights won't make any noticeable difference. But they're GREEN!! Yes, but it's a stealthy green It makes others believe it's just an inocent xmas tree floating around in space. -------------------------------------- If you don't like my posts, then why waste your time commenting in them? --------------------------------------
Marshiro	Posted - 2010.06.14 02:29:00 - [13] Originally by: Akita T Stealth in space TL;DR : those lights won't make any noticeable difference. TL;DR I'm sorry, in a universe where FTL is universal, it is pretty much given that the laws of physics is just comedy. A ship shooting lasers with enough energy to vaporize tons of metal would likely have to shine as bright as a star just to radiate heat, all thanks to thermodynamics.... and my combat probes still can't scan them down.
Kohana Chayton Minmatar	Posted - 2010.06.14 02:43:00 - [14] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spitzer_Space_Telescope The primary mirror is 85 cm in diameter, f/12 and made of beryllium and was cooled to 5.5 K (note that 0 k is absolute zero, nothing is colder that we know of). Originally by: CCP Zymurgist OK everyone, please play nicely. There is no need to start getting angry or show off your Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Troll impression.
Milky Wimpshake	Posted - 2010.06.14 02:46:00 - [15] Originally by: Gladys Pank You cant see the lights when its cloaked so its fine.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.06.14 02:48:00 - [16] Originally by: Marshiro Originally by: Akita T Stealth in space TL;DR : those lights won't make any noticeable difference. TL;DR I'm sorry, in a universe where FTL is universal, it is pretty much given that the laws of physics is just comedy. A ship shooting lasers with enough energy to vaporize tons of metal would likely have to shine as bright as a star just to radiate heat, all thanks to thermodynamics.... and my combat probes still can't scan them down. Wasn't that pretty much my point too ? There's no stealth in space in RL. But there is stealth in EVE. Therefore, bright green lights on covops frigs don't really matter anymore when the magi-cloak goes online. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Ti'anla Minmatar	Posted - 2010.06.14 02:59:00 - [17] Edited by: Ti''anla on 14/06/2010 03:00:29 I always rather loved the Mass Effect idea for stealth in space. No visual cloaking - it's silly given distances involved and the apparent size of ships at normal ranges - and the only ship thus far capable of 'cloaking' itself does so by being 90% flying heat sync. The whole ship is built around keeping its energy emissions to absolute minimum for as long as possible - and then venting all the heat built up by doing so as quickly as possible as it approaches the point where the crew would be cooked alive. Dunno if that's in any way possible in reality, still, but it's definitely the most plausible form of cloaking I've come across in a space-based sci-fi (not to mention the most 'balanced' >.>). As for EVE.. well, yeah, god knows how our cloaks work. For one, they seem primarily based on visual cloaking and make little to no mention of cloaking the things our scanners actually look for. But eh, it's a game. There are way higher priorities on the list of things to explain >.>
Ghoest	Posted - 2010.06.14 03:31:00 - [18] Edited by: Ghoest on 14/06/2010 03:33:02 Umm cloaks are making ships invisible to the naked eye. The imaginary physics we are dealing with in EVE are way past the stuff in Akiras link. EDIT: But to address the OP. It obviously doesnt matter if there are lights you can rewrite physics and be invisible. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Nooma K'Larr Minmatar	Posted - 2010.06.14 03:39:00 - [19] Considering that this ship is a "covert ops" ship, it should be designed with stealth in mind even when not cloaked. All lights should go and the paint schem needs to be a camoflague suitable for space (not the jungle as in certain navy issue ships ) The exhaust should be minimal as well. -------------------------------------- If you don't like my posts, then why waste your time commenting in them? --------------------------------------
Marshiro	Posted - 2010.06.14 04:08:00 - [20] Actually, just because the ship is covert ops does not mean it should ALWAYS be invisible. If it is just barely visible outside of combat, it is a navigation hazard (arggg I just rammed something) and may be easily misidentified as hostile. For a covops needs to have some kind of display saying "LOOK I'M A BLUE AND DON'T SHOOT!" As long as you can turn the lights off, its all fine.

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