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Victoria Cin
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Posted - 2010.06.17 07:59:00 -
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Yesterday I jumped into my Raven for the first time to do lvl 4's (been doing them in a Gila). Now I think I'm doing something wrong because I'm getting torn apart in these missions. I have to warp out and back all the time. The missions I tried were Gone Berserk and Worlds Collide (guristas/serpentis). I used mission specific hardeners but my shield got eaten away like crazy, cap runs out in 1.25 min with my shield booster on, so I can hold for like 5 minutes when pulsing the booster. After that I have to warp out.
My fit:
lows: 3xBCU II, 2xCapacitor flux coil II meds: 2xInvul II, 1x rat specific active resist mod, Shield boost ampliefier x2, XL-Booster high: 6x arbalest cruise launchers with mission specific ammo rigs: 3x ccc
In my gila, once the webbers were dead I almost took no dmg and my passive shield was able to hold of quite a number of BS's. I do realise this is because of the speed, but I assumed the Raven's shield was gonna be thougher, which it's not from what I can tell.
Any suggestions or input appreciated.
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.06.17 08:13:00 -
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Your fit would have been great in 2008. Since then there have been changes in how missiles work.
Try the LiangFitÖ
6x Cruise (Arby/T2) XL Booster, 3x T2 hardeners, Boost Amp, Heavy Cap Booster 4x BCU II, Damage Control II
3x Warhead Rigor rigs <--you will need these because of those changes
5x hammerhead II 5x Hobgoblin II
You should be able to stroll through any Level 4 with this fit.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Victoria Cin
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Posted - 2010.06.17 08:37:00 -
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Guess I should have posted before I spent half a ship worth on rigs then. Will give it a shot tonight. You say 3x hardeners, so no invuls then?
What do the rigor rigs actually do? I'm rather confused about them. According to EFT no dps increase but I assume it has something to do with hitting smaller targets easyer?
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.06.17 08:42:00 -
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Originally by: Victoria Cin Guess I should have posted before I spent half a ship worth on rigs then. Will give it a shot tonight. You say 3x hardeners, so no invuls then?
What do the rigor rigs actually do? I'm rather confused about them. According to EFT no dps increase but I assume it has something to do with hitting smaller targets easyer?
No Invulns (unless you're doing a drone/merc mission, in which case 1 Invuln II is fine).
Yes it has a lot to do with hitting smaller (and faster) targets. The maths is frankly too complicated for me to go in to, but the way it works is that missile explosion radius is kinda sorta like turret tracking, and if you dont have any, your BS-sized cruise missiles will be rather ineffective vs medium sized targets. In fact you wont even do full damage to all BS-sized rats if they're moving at full speed.
Luckily, rigs are a heck of a lot cheaper than they used to be.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Viscount Hood
Gallivanting Travel Company
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Posted - 2010.06.17 09:50:00 -
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My guess is you need to skill up some more in shield tanking, missile skills, drone skills. I had that problem when I first did level 4's. But in the meantime I would seriously fit a a Cap booster with 800's and run your shield booster as much as possible. Also use power diagnostic systems instead of flux coils, loose the CCC's and fit shield resistance rigs. I never found CCC's made much difference.
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Omar Khayyam
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.17 10:07:00 -
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as regarded to raven, i have seen people talikng about c3 wormhole ravens.. can someone share a wormhole setup for a raven? ------------------------------------------------ cruisers used to be a great power when i started this game :) |
quygen
Minmatar Acting Neutral
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Posted - 2010.06.17 10:25:00 -
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Originally by: Omar Khayyam as regarded to raven, i have seen people talikng about c3 wormhole ravens.. can someone share a wormhole setup for a raven?
ofc, np!
It's called a drake
and it has a passive shield setup. Please resize your sig to a maximum of 400 x 120 - Mitnal
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2010.06.17 10:35:00 -
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Originally by: Victoria Cin Any suggestions or input appreciated.
What level do you have in Guided Missile Precision and Target Navigation Prediction? Get them to IV/IV ASAP, if you haven't already, and IV/V soon after.
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Sigma Orpheus
Gallente Aura of Darkness Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2010.06.17 10:38:00 -
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Try also:
h: cruise II launchers, any cruise missile (its the launcher rate of fire that counts beforeindividual missile damage) m: 2x small Pithi A- or B-type boosters, faction shield boost amplifier, rest hardeners and invulns l: dm control II, rest BCU II
t2 light scout drones
rigs: put faster missile rate of fire, missile damage rig, and a shield purger or extender
note: if you dont use tactics and selectively engage in each individual mission, no fit can help u. Second, maxxing engineering, ship specific and missile skillz is a must. Whether you think you can or can`t, you are absolutely right. |
1Ekrid1
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Posted - 2010.06.17 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Victoria Cin Yesterday I jumped into my Raven for the first time to do lvl 4's (been doing them in a Gila). Now I think I'm doing something wrong because I'm getting torn apart in these missions. I have to warp out and back all the time. The missions I tried were Gone Berserk and Worlds Collide (guristas/serpentis). I used mission specific hardeners but my shield got eaten away like crazy, cap runs out in 1.25 min with my shield booster on, so I can hold for like 5 minutes when pulsing the booster. After that I have to warp out.
My fit:
lows: 3xBCU II, 2xCapacitor flux coil II meds: 2xInvul II, 1x rat specific active resist mod, Shield boost ampliefier x2, XL-Booster high: 6x arbalest cruise launchers with mission specific ammo rigs: 3x ccc
In my gila, once the webbers were dead I almost took no dmg and my passive shield was able to hold of quite a number of BS's. I do realise this is because of the speed, but I assumed the Raven's shield was gonna be thougher, which it's not from what I can tell.
Any suggestions or input appreciated.
try some silly level 2 mission that spawns all cruiser rats with 80% resists across the board and apparently large nos modules, draining you of any active tanking ability and doing 150 damage a volley.. lame I say. There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess. |
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Antarea Starfallis
Caldari Farsight Systems Omega Vector
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Posted - 2010.06.17 12:14:00 -
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Try the tried and true Liangfit first and try out some level 3s to get used to it.
Rigor Rigs act like perminent Target Painters, so it enhances the sig radius of all ships as it pertains to your missiles.
Also, you might start using kiting techniques, where you try to engage the heavy dpsers at range, even "running away" from the blob if you pull too many at too close of a range and staying out of their optimal range.
Oh and Worlds Collide is one of the harder ones to do, so try not to judge your performance too much on just that mission. Some missions just suck to do and some are just not easy to solo without good mods, a faction ship and experience no matter how you slice it. Keep to Eve-Survival and play it safe until you've done missions several times through and know exactly what you are up against.
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Chi'kote
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Posted - 2010.06.17 12:50:00 -
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Here is a fit I was given to use as a first-time raven pilot:
Lazy man's raven -
high slots: missles obviously mid slots: 1 x-large c5-l emergency shield overload 1, 4 x t2 mission hardeners, t2 shield boost amp low slots: 5 x t2 cap flux coil rigs: 3 x cap control circuit
DPS is crap, and depending on your cap skills you might have to replace a hardener w/ a cap recharger (I did when I first got a raven). But you can use drones to kill the small stuff while you kill the big stuff (idk why people earlier think u have to shoot small stuff w/ your missiles, it is what drones are for). But again, this is a starter raven with a fairly good tank you don't have to worry about cap with (is cap stable if you aren't being neuted). As long as you don't aggro a whole room, you're fine.
To adjust it beyond starter mode, you can just replace the low slots with 2 x t2 power diagnostics and 3 x t2 bcu's. cap lasts max of 2.5 minutes, which is plenty for pulsing as needed as long as you don't aggro a whole bunch of crap.
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Khorvek
Amarr Triple Threat Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.06.17 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: Antarea Starfallis Try the tried and true Liangfit first and try out some level 3s to get used to it.
Rigor Rigs act like perminent Target Painters, so it enhances the sig radius of all ships as it pertains to your missiles.
I'd like to point this sout: This is both good and bad.
Good- It is a passive target painter. no cap required. you can keep hitting small ships for closer to full damage no matter what. Bad- It effectively removes one of your rig slots permanently. Good- Neuts and Noses cant keep you from having this effect against small ships. Bad- You get no value out of it against large ships, and thus lose out on a rig slot that could be useful against both large and small ships.
Rigors are, however, possibly best when combined with large explosion radius and low velocity missiles.
But like anything, it has its advantages and drawbacks, not to mention the actual physical drawback it has on you CPU ;P
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Wolfgang Grey
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Posted - 2010.06.17 14:29:00 -
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I've used Ling's fit Raven for running Lvl 4s and it works better then anything else I've tried.
Highs: 6x Cruise Missiles Launchers, Mids: XL-Booster, Heavy Cap Booster II(800 Charges), 3x rat specific Active hardners, TP Lows: 3-4x BCS II, Signal Amplifier, DCU if you need the extra resists Rigs: 3x Rigors
The key to running with this fit is to pulse the shield booster, and only run the cap booster when you get down to around 30% cap. It took me some time after switching from the passive tank monster that is the Drake to get a grip on running a active tank.
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Cosmic Rainbow
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Posted - 2010.06.17 20:35:00 -
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The problem is you need to work on your cap skills and your shield skills.
Last time I flew my raven, I could Perma boost my raven with an XL shield booster and SBA, and not run out of cap.
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D'Arcon Skye
Caldari The Leather Knights
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Posted - 2010.06.18 06:33:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis Your fit would have been great in 2008. Since then there have been changes in how missiles work.
Try the LiangFitÖ
6x Cruise (Arby/T2) XL Booster, 3x T2 hardeners, Boost Amp, Heavy Cap Booster 4x BCU II, Damage Control II
3x Warhead Rigor rigs <--you will need these because of those changes
5x hammerhead II 5x Hobgoblin II
You should be able to stroll through any Level 4 with this fit.
The CPU requirements for this fit far outstrip what is available on a Raven, even with a 5% implant.
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Sam Bowein
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Posted - 2010.06.18 06:44:00 -
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Originally by: D'Arcon Skye The CPU requirements for this fit far outstrip what is available on a Raven, even with a 5% implant.
I think you need to use a dread guristas or caldari navy shield booster :)
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D'Arcon Skye
Caldari The Leather Knights
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Posted - 2010.06.18 06:47:00 -
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Edited by: D''Arcon Skye on 18/06/2010 06:53:32
Originally by: Sam Bowein
Originally by: D'Arcon Skye The CPU requirements for this fit far outstrip what is available on a Raven, even with a 5% implant.
I think you need to use a dread guristas or caldari navy shield booster :)
That would let you fit it with launcher rigging at 5 and a 5% implant. Somehow I doubt that combination is that common for people starting lvl 4 missions.
Edit: Solved my own problem by switching from BCU II to CN BCU. It's an expensive fit, but let's you run without an implant and launcher rigging at only 2.
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Sam Bowein
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Posted - 2010.06.18 06:49:00 -
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Originally by: D'Arcon Skye That would let you fit it with launcher rigging at 5 and a 5% implant. Somehow I doubt that combination is that common for people starting lvl 4 missions.
hum maybe replace the amplifier by a target painter ?
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Victoria Cin
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Posted - 2010.06.18 07:22:00 -
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Originally by: D'Arcon Skye Edited by: D''Arcon Skye on 18/06/2010 06:53:32
Originally by: Sam Bowein
Originally by: D'Arcon Skye The CPU requirements for this fit far outstrip what is available on a Raven, even with a 5% implant.
I think you need to use a dread guristas or caldari navy shield booster :)
That would let you fit it with launcher rigging at 5 and a 5% implant. Somehow I doubt that combination is that common for people starting lvl 4 missions.
Edit: Solved my own problem by switching from BCU II to CN BCU. It's an expensive fit, but let's you run without an implant and launcher rigging at only 2.
Tried it. What I did is replace 2 of my CCC with rigors which filled up my CPU (with like 3 left). Ofcourse my skills need work, I only have launcher rigging I.
I must say this fit is much better to fly than the first one I had, I have only needed to inject some cap boosters once. Tank is better, DPS is better, win-win I'd say. Thanks a lot for this.
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Von Kapiche
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.18 07:24:00 -
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Originally by: Sam Bowein hum maybe replace the amplifier by a target painter ?
That, and also maybe just use two rigors to start with. SBA isn't really necessary with a XL booster.
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