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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.07.17 21:43:00 -
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Forum Foreplay wrote:No, terrible idea, then the next thing is people would want 1v1 balanced and that would basically trash the concept of ships for roles in fleets.
1v1 would ruin EvE, if people want that kind of PvP they should be playing a FPS.
dont tell forum foreplay about can flipping or hell be real angry...
PLEX FOR PIZZA! -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |
Zowie Powers
Hole in the wall
112
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Posted - 2012.07.17 21:52:00 -
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If alliances can break the 4th wall to teleport to a tournament in jove space, I see no reason why "Dodixie's Finest" can't do exactly the same with their alleged "1v1"s --- ATX: The best of the rest. |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2012.07.17 22:17:00 -
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Ginseng Jita wrote:Elvis Fett wrote:Your idea is not going to be received well. It has been suggested before and shot down before. Arena combat has little place in EVE is the general consensus.
Why is dueling so bad?
First of all, EVE ships aren't balanced around 1v1 or 5v5 or 10v10 or whatever "fair" scenario. They are balanced around fleet fights where your options include running away, reshipping, or bringing in reinforcements. This is evidenced by all the additional rules CCP has to add to the AT every year to make it marginally entertaining. Either you would end up with completely unbalanced duels (and the forum shitstorms to go with it), or CCP would have to balance ships around them and in turn break alliance warfare.
Second, any implementation going even a step further than "agreed upon mutual aggression timer" breaks the basis EVE has been built upon, that nowhere in space you are completely safe. Any kind of protection or enforced guarantee of a "fair" fight has the potential to be exploited to no end.
Dueling might sound like fun, but it doesn't really make sense in the big picture of EVE. Imagine a Counter Strike match that is played on an infinite flat plane with only two people starting ten feet from one another. Imagine a LoL game with no creeps, no bases, just two max level heroes dueling against each other. Sure, it has some elements common with the original game, but at the same time it is a completely different experience that just doesn't belong. |
Mallak Azaria
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Posted - 2012.07.17 22:19:00 -
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No. |
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ISD TYPE40
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.07.17 22:21:00 -
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Topic "Dueling Button - would you like to see one?" moved to Features and Ideas - ISD Type40
ISD Type40 Ensign Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.17 22:38:00 -
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want permission based pvp?
Sisi this way >>>> |
Kusum Fawn
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.18 05:10:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:This idea is about as out of place in EVE as a "summon magical love ponies" button. +1 for magical love ponies button Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
Ships to goo calc - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=107898 |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.18 15:50:00 -
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Reasons why I really dislike this idea:
1.) You don't blow up your opponent.... WTF.... really??? That little "Concord forces us to stop in structure" addendum is an instant "HELL NO". EvE is about risks. Whenever you engage in combat, the least you should risk is your ship!!!
2.) I'm not opposed to an easier way to setup a duel, that doesn't require dropping cans.... but it should also be dangerous... I like it when people can use fleet boosts, Nuetral RR, and have corp mates warp in to violate the fight... This allows fights to escallate into full out fights.... which is a good thing.... even if it does mean some people just get ganked... |
Astroniomix
Thorn Project Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2012.07.18 16:28:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote: Reasons why I really dislike this idea:
1.) You don't blow up your opponent.... WTF.... really??? That little "Concord forces us to stop in structure" addendum is an instant "HELL NO". EvE is about risks. Whenever you engage in combat, the least you should risk is your ship!!!
You forgot the part where some ships (looking at you, ranis) have the majority of their ehp in structure. |
Shameless Avenger
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Posted - 2012.07.24 20:45:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:As an alternative. I think you should have to dial for CONCORD, not have them automatically show up and blast the aggressor. And to make it interesting, throw up a CAPTCHA to complete the call.
I realize that all the bots and afkers will rage ... well .. rage on.
*Victim calls on the phone*
Concord GM - "CCP-911 what's your emergency?" Victim - Hello, I'm being ganked, shields are gone! Concord GM - Please remain calm sir. I can not understand you if you are screaming. On what system are you located? Victim - I'm in Perimeter, at the Jita gate... hurry, I'm half armor now! Concord GM - Did you said you are in Jita, at the Perimeter gate? Victim - No! In P*E*R*I*M*E*T*E*R! At the J*I*T*A gate! Concord GM - Sir, it's difficult to understand you if you are screaming. Please calm down. Victim - The ship blew up! Now my POD is scrambled & webbed!!!! Concord GM - I still can't understand you sir... hold on while I use a locator agent to get your location... *Victim is placed on hold* Concord GM - We are back sir, our records show you are not currently engaged on any fights. The agent tells me you are in the Kisogo system and by the way, you need to update your clone. Please hang up, this line is for emergencies only.
"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro" ~ The Story of the Ninja |
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Shereza
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.24 22:14:00 -
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I'm not a PvP'er and I rather abhor "dueling" in most MMOs (well, technically all MMOs since I haven't found one where "dueling" is useful much less fun), but I would like to see some methods implemented for structured PvP that don't rely solely on player interaction. I'm sure that a bunch of the anarchist fruitcakes in this topic are going to bash me for suggesting that, and by calling them the anarchist fruitcakes that they are I probably guaranteed it, but adding options to the game to encourage more and more varied PvP is not a bad thing.
Making suggestions about introducing structured PvP environments and scenarios into the game isn't about taking PvP out of low-sec or null-sec, it isn't about forcing CCP to balance the game or even individual ships around 1v1 combat, and it isn't about keeping people "safe" from the consequences of their actions. It's about getting more people to PvP period. People who don't engage in low or null-sec PvP because either they can't or won't fly in blobs, regardless of whether or not they actually need to, and won't engage in high-sec PvP because war-decs are too free-for-all and "dueling" as-is is usually, in their opinion, a scam. People who might want to engage in a constellation-wide game of laser tag with real lasers and 2-3 5-man fleets without CONCORD or other people interfering. People who might otherwise hide out in high-sec or protected null-sec being carebears until their eyes bleed and they quit EVE because the current "pretty much all or nothing with absolutely no rules ever anywhere" methods of PvP don't provide any real ground for PvP that's midway between intra-corp "practice" PvP and what goes on in the rest of the game.
/shrugs. I probably wouldn't participate in any of that, I'm straight up a carebear, but I still think that seeing structured PvP introduced into the game can't help but be an overall positive influence by encouraging people who currently don't PvP for various reasons to re-evaluate their stance on the subject and perhaps eventually even get into "real" PvP.
Hell, at the very least it could introduce another economic factor into the game. If betting and sponsoring were thrown in as well folks could sponsor small-scale PvP tournaments to look for new recruits, and individuals or groups could engage in structured PvP in a betting-enabled environment to make a portion of the bet money as profit. If they win of course.
Of course I'd also like to see assassination contracts introduced as well where you pay a hefty bribe (say 250m) to CONCORD to look the other way when the contract holder attacks the target along with a standard contract fee for the assassin's work. Place a 500m assassination contract on someone and CONCORD gets their 250m cut and upon completion of the hit the assassin gets 250m. Hell, for that matter just skip the CONCORD permission part and just leave it as "any losses due to CONCORD interference are your responsibility." |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks The Marmite Collective
2023
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Posted - 2012.07.24 22:24:00 -
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With the information we have on crimewatch, such a system will be the only way consensual combat will happen in highsec without wars.
I'd suggest a fleet-style interface where people can be invited to join, at which point they select either Fleet A or Fleet 1. Once the fleets are set up and everyone has hit the Agree button (which will be cleared if the fleets are changed) then the two groups gain aggression against each other and can fight it out. To prevent griefing, a player should be able to quit the fight at any time, though normal aggression rules would persist and they'd have to wait out a 15 minute aggression timer to all opponents before being free and clear. That way you can't bail out of a fight just because you're tackled and losing.
No arenas. No magical deadspace pockets for the fight. You fight in normal space under normal rules. It just simplifies the arrangement of aggression and enables solo and small gang fights without stupid stunts.
edit: this would allow the use of neutral logi in highsec combat without them getting suspect flags, they would just have to be legal combatants in the fight. The Skunkworks is recruiting. -áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1540711#post1540711 |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks The Marmite Collective
2023
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Posted - 2012.07.24 22:28:00 -
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Shameless Avenger wrote:Sentamon wrote:As an alternative. I think you should have to dial for CONCORD, not have them automatically show up and blast the aggressor. And to make it interesting, throw up a CAPTCHA to complete the call.
I realize that all the bots and afkers will rage ... well .. rage on. *Victim calls on the phone* Concord GM - "CCP-911 what's your emergency?" Victim - Hello, I'm being ganked, shields are gone! Concord GM - Please remain calm sir. I can not understand you if you are screaming. On what system are you located? Victim - I'm in Perimeter, at the Jita gate... hurry, I'm half armor now! Concord GM - Did you said you are in Jita, at the Perimeter gate? Victim - No! In P*E*R*I*M*E*T*E*R! At the J*I*T*A gate! Concord GM - Sir, it's difficult to understand you if you are screaming. Please calm down. Victim - The ship blew up! Now my POD is scrambled & webbed!!!! Concord GM - I still can't understand you sir... hold on while I use a locator agent to get your location... *Victim is placed on hold* Concord GM - We are back sir, our records show you are not currently engaged on any fights. The agent tells me you are in the Kisogo system and by the way, you need to update your clone. Please hang up, this line is for emergencies only. More like:
Concord: "Concord police, what is your emergency?" Victim: "I'm under attack! Please help!" Concord: "I'm sorry sir, but our logs show no record of you being in combat." Victim: "My ship blew up!" Concord: "I'm sorry to hear that sir, but without evidence in the logs, Concord is unable to assist you." Victim: "Oh god they got my pod too!" Concord: "Have a good day, sir. Fly safe!" The Skunkworks is recruiting. -áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1540711#post1540711 |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
282
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Posted - 2012.07.24 22:59:00 -
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you mean a button that auto drops a jetcan with a taunt added to the name? [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG] |
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