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Death4free
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.06.18 23:21:00 -
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Dear lord people who dont vote conservatives are ******ed.
yes the 1980's were bad if you were a miner....but your kinda forgetting what the late 70's was like (under labour) bodies unburied and regular power cuts because of the unions.
On a side note if it wasnt for england sending you billions a year scotland youd basically cease to exist so how about you either vote for independence or just accept the decision that the english people make when voting.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.06.18 23:26:00 -
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Originally by: Death4free On a side note if it wasnt for england sending you billions a year scotland youd basically cease to exist so how about you either vote for independence or just accept the decision that the english people make when voting.
You really, really don't want to start this in a public forum. It is the single most arrogant thing you can claim if you don't understand your history, jackass. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
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Cyzlaki
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.06.18 23:30:00 -
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Is this still about the football? It looks like a bunch of old people / history buffs from the UK *****ing at eachother.
If it's still about the football, england were so fkn annoying to watch play. Need to get their act together, they're putting on a horrid showing.
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Hoban Gallifrey
New Eden University
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Posted - 2010.06.18 23:39:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: Death4free On a side note if it wasnt for england sending you billions a year scotland youd basically cease to exist so how about you either vote for independence or just accept the decision that the english people make when voting.
You really, really don't want to start this in a public forum. It is the single most arrogant thing you can claim if you don't understand your history, jackass.
Ok enough of this. I hereby apologies for every bad thing England ever did to Scotland. If you can say sorry for sacking York those couple of times and ripping up the pitch a Wembley then we can consider the past buried and try to be friends for a change.
It worked for Northern Ireland...
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.06.19 00:12:00 -
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Last thing I'll add to this thread. Tia.
England doesn't subsidise Scotland. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
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Death4free
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.06.19 01:55:00 -
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Well if england doesnt subsidise scotland your free to vote for you independance. We will however be keeping the oil that is essentially the only thing that stops your economy from collapsing. What happens when the oil and gas run out scotland?
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Derelicht
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Posted - 2010.06.19 03:33:00 -
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Originally by: Cyzlaki Is this still about the football?
Barely.
On a semi-related not, did anyone listen to Talksport right after the game? That was some of the most entertaining radio I've heard in years. The wife-beater was in rare form tonight.
The difference between the Sassenachs and the Jocks, is that us Jocks accept the fact that we're ****, and will always get kicked out in the first round. The Sassenachs actually expect to win the thing. And are truly horrified when they don't. It's most amusing.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente 1st Cavalry Division Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.19 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero Last thing I'll add to this thread. Tia.
England doesn't subsidise Scotland.
It Godwinned itself on the 3rd paragraph. ____________________
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jason hill
Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.06.19 10:54:00 -
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Edited by: jason hill on 19/06/2010 10:54:02 I for one vote whole hartedly for an independent scotland and wales ..no more scotish mp`s voting on purely english issues no more descriminating of english students being financialy penalised whilst studying in scotish universities goodbye scotland have fun joining the euro we will close all our military bases and dockyards your oil is running out and haggis is not a major export ...for most of us english your starting to be a bit of an annoyance
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Torque Daisy
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2010.06.19 11:26:00 -
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In my experience, one of the most fundamental aspects of English politics is that Labour will try to buy votes with completely unsustainable socialist policies which leave the nations finances bust, and the Tories will attempt to clean the mess up and thusly be labelled as nasty people for trying to stop the country sinking.
The real funny thing is when the Tories scrap un-resourced last-ditch labour pre-election pledges, they are portrayed as having cut services/funding, etc. See Sheffield/the nuclear components press; "i wish i had voted labour" now they say. Labour buy votes with debt money and have the BBC spin it for them.
I'm only 26, so for me the 80s was that time when we had lots of snow in winter and peoples gardens were not surrounded by 7ft high fences, but I do recognise, that in the here and now, the Conservatives as being, on balance, the lesser evil - and perhaps not the party that will give me loads of debt funded private sector jobs or benefits - but a party that ensures a better future for my kids.
I'll add further that the more I understood about the world, the less of a socialist I became; socialism seems more about lazy people covering their arses, softening people up to get votes, and imparts a kind of inertia of ambition upon the populace.
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Crawford McKinley
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Posted - 2010.06.19 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Death4free Well if england doesnt subsidise scotland your free to vote for you independance. We will however be keeping the oil that is essentially the only thing that stops your economy from collapsing. What happens when the oil and gas run out scotland?
erm no you won't it's in our territory and it has and does belong to scotland.
you also seem to forget those droughts you had about 15 years ago where scotland supplied almost all your drinking water we didn't get paid for that :p
i'm pro union and i'm scottish but it's ****ing *******s like you who make matters worse between us.
fe if andy murray won wimbledon he'd be declared as the "British" winner, if an english guy won he'd ofc be english. it's your double standards that **** the rest of us off and it needs to stop to stem the animosity
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Vogue
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.19 11:36:00 -
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What with globalisation and free flow of capital politicians are far more interested in keeping the markets and banks sweet than their voters. And if your from another country and can bring a lot of money and investment into the country you will be given priority of the own country's nationals in many affairs.
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Esk Esme
Caldari DEATHFUNK
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Posted - 2010.06.19 11:37:00 -
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LoL England
they actualy belive they have a good team hahah
the english havent shut up about 1966 if they ever won it again it b another 50 years before they shut up about it
truth is they envey the great football countrys like brazil + argintina and even germany
its kinda sad but true watching england fail is the best fail haha
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Phillis Stein
Caldari 20th Legion Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.06.19 11:45:00 -
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To get back on subject: Im from Northern Ireland and have always supported any British team ( even the RoI) in any event. Either at individual, club or International Level.
But England were horrible against Algeria. It was cringing to watch.
A few of my own opinions. Would love to see England win the World Cup, but hate the idea of it being shown every day for next 40 years. The English media is very selective about whats English. One of the top football teams in the late seventies, cant remember if it was Leeds or Liverpool was being called best of english football, but not one of the 11 players currently on the screen at the time could play for England.
When Celtic won the European Cup, It was a British club but no honours for Jock Stein. When Man Utd won later, it was an English Club. Matt Busby was Honoured. Nothing has changed. They keep calling Chelsea/Utd etc English football clubs but the only thing English about them is that is their current Location.
Anyway, heres hoping that England improve and I will just have to ignore the smugness of the media when they do. http://www.pixelopia.co.uk/files/signature.jpg |
ChaeDoc II
Gallente Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.19 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: Death4free On a side note if it wasnt for england sending you billions a year scotland youd basically cease to exist so how about you either vote for independence or just accept the decision that the english people make when voting.
You really, really don't want to start this in a public forum. It is the single most arrogant thing you can claim if you don't understand your history, jackass.
Yep, all those unearned billions. I suppose we should have stopped sending you all our North Sea oil over the last... how many decades?
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Arianhod
Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2010.06.19 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: Death4free On a side note if it wasnt for england sending you billions a year scotland youd basically cease to exist so how about you either vote for independence or just accept the decision that the english people make when voting.
You really, really don't want to start this in a public forum. It is the single most arrogant thing you can claim if you don't understand your history, jackass.
This is a good point, if Scotland was independent that 95% of the oilfields Britian has would go to Scotland, and hence its taxable revenues go to Holyrood as opposed to Westminster. Yes Scotland takes more than the average but it also gives more out, and we havent even considered the population density of 1/3rd of the island with 1/12th of the population with regards to emergancy services coverage.
Shall we consider how much water Scotland has against how much London needs?... we have so much of the stuff we have it free and the processing packbone run by ScottishWater, a nationalised enterprise. 1st part of my Civil Engineering course, we go to visit the new water treatment center being built just outside Edinburgh. People from the course in England inform me they have to pay for water directly, and yet it seems their facilities get worse year on year.
But I digress, I consider myself British and if we all pulled together we could take on the world!
The solution with regards to the West Lothian question is that we should consider a British Federation, break up England into its regions and confederate ala Canada with Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.
I'm in favour of the union, voted LibDem with no regrets and in the modern era I see it as *****ing on both sides about minor things in the greater scheme of things. North sea oil is running out so this opportunity has been wasted, water will probably be solved when we have more investment in electricity for reverse osmosis on a large scale.
Just wish more people would realise England isnt the be all and end all of the nation and that not everyone who isnt is trying to sighn onto the gravy train, thats Westminsters job Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Redeclaring open warfare on Out of Pod since 2010. |
Torque Daisy
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2010.06.19 13:43:00 -
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Scotland is subsidised by England though, everyone knows it, same with Wales and their ludicrously expensive 'national pride' projects...that ain't welsh money doing that And as an Englishman I'm not fundamentally against it, it would be idiotic to let a fellow member of the union go to rack and ruin and not help them adjust - it would hurt us all greatly.
Sure there is the west lothian thing, the Barnett formula issue, the university grants, those two godawful Scottish prime ministers etc, etc. These are things to be worked out amicably, but you do have to recognise the issues and not shy away from them.
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Vogue
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.19 13:51:00 -
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Edited by: Vogue on 19/06/2010 13:53:29 AFAIK Scotland gives England a lot of money through the North Sea oil fields, maybe this has lessened recently as I think these oil fields are drying up. I don't have a big problem Scotland leaving the UK and becoming an independent state in the EU. However it would find that costs would be much higher in maintaining services for a smaller number of people. It would adopt an economic model similar to other small EU states like the scandinavian ones. It would adopt the EU - products in the shop would become more expensive because of this. Scottish consumers would drive to northern England to buy stuff. And it would suffer from being next to England which has more flexible and cheaper labour.
Its a lesser evil economically for Scotland to be part of the UK. .................................................. Cylon cultural victor! |
Torque Daisy
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2010.06.19 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: Arianhod But I digress, I consider myself British and if we all pulled together we could take on the world!
indeed, it saddens me alot to see how welsh and scottish politicians whip up nationalism, and cherry pick history, to get votes. It's so transparent, such tactics in english politics just don't work, the BNP are very marginal and when Gordon Brown said 'British jobs for British workers' p much everyone ripped him.
more recently the ABE (anyone but england) has been banned from HMV stores in scotland, i think such a thing is very funny and has been taken far too seriously. That it could be called racist however has completely baffled me...
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Arianhod
Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2010.06.19 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: Torque Daisy Scotland is subsidised by England though, everyone knows it, same with Wales and their ludicrously expensive 'national pride' projects...that ain't welsh money doing that And as an Englishman I'm not fundamentally against it, it would be idiotic to let a fellow member of the union go to rack and ruin and not help them adjust - it would hurt us all greatly.
I require cited sources to say that we are subsidised.
Originally by: Torque Daisy Sure there is the west lothian thing, the Barnett formula issue, the university grants, those two godawful Scottish prime ministers etc, etc. These are things to be worked out amicably, but you do have to recognise the issues and not shy away from them.
I do wonder what the point of forcing students, the bottom rung of the ladder of economics, to pay for their education out of pocket. I'm a student and I get it paid for me to go into Engineering, and after 5 years will have an MEng degree. Tax of around 30% on a students graduation wage of around ú52k, source (ICE membership is part of the Masters Degree) is around ú15.6k a year in taxes. I put it to you that subsidising the education of students increases their future productivity and that taxation of this productivity increases the overall size of an economy. A guy on my course has droppoed out for the next 2 years to get a job stacking shelves to save up enough money to get into the next year of uni.
I addressed the West Lothian question in my first reply, we are now emulating Canadas economic policies and going for its politicala organisation looks logical aswell.
The thing that strikes me and a few others is how little England has self respect for itself. Where are your projects for yourselves for national pride? I have some for Scotland but I'm both Scottish and to a greater degree British... its odd that you dont take pride in your achievements independent of those of Britian. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Redeclaring open warfare on Out of Pod since 2010. |
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.06.19 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Arianhod
I do wonder what the point of forcing students, the bottom rung of the ladder of economics, to pay for their education out of pocket. I'm a student and I get it paid for me to go into Engineering, and after 5 years will have an MEng degree. Tax of around 30% on a students graduation wage of around ú52k, source (ICE membership is part of the Masters Degree) is around ú15.6k a year in taxes. I put it to you that subsidising the education of students increases their future productivity and that taxation of this productivity increases the overall size of an economy. A guy on my course has droppoed out for the next 2 years to get a job stacking shelves to save up enough money to get into the next year of uni.
There are those that would say that one should work/earn their education, and have the right to their wages/earnings/profit and how they distribute them within society.
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C1yde
Caldari The Barrow Boys
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Posted - 2010.06.19 21:55:00 -
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Quite amazing this thread has avoided Mr.Locky
Oh and tl;dr ITT a good few people i pray never get anywhere in politics.
England... Football... Well i cant quite fathom the reason but whatever it is they are ABYSMAL. Yet somehow staying alive. If they blunder there way into the second round somehow they'll be culled first game at this rate.
They showed a lot of promise in the run up, i felt confident of a good run in the games. It hurts to see this... tosh. *This is the end, my friend* |
JitaBum
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.06.19 22:14:00 -
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Seriously that was one of the worst performances of the cup so far. Even Scotland could have done better and that's saying something. I question their manager though, his English is awful, how can they understand him?
Originally by: Death4free On a side note if it wasnt for england sending you billions a year scotland youd basically cease to exist so how about you either vote for independence or just accept the decision that the english people make when voting.
WTF, care to back that up or was this nugget of wisdom extracted from your anus?
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Musical Fist
Gallente The Unknown Bar and Pub
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Posted - 2010.06.20 00:53:00 -
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Edited by: Musical Fist on 20/06/2010 00:54:09 Im from England and I always hope the other guy wins in EVERYTHING!!
Why? Because British people over the past for some bizarre reason convinced themselves that England > All in everything to the point where we are blinded by the fact that this country is ****.
No need to flame, im British therefore I have some elite power into saying this the football drama is pretty much the last straw and we are now laughed at worldwide with good reason too, I say we should learn from our neighbouring countries at least they have self respect -- Emo TraderJohn's Number 1 Fan!! |
ZeeWolf
Norfolk Heavy Industries Stellar Union
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Posted - 2010.06.20 08:16:00 -
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Originally by: Musical Fist Edited by: Musical Fist on 20/06/2010 00:54:09 Im from England and I always hope the other guy wins in EVERYTHING!!
No need to flame, im British therefore ...
So are you English or British? I class myself as Scottish and never as British.
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ebonyivory
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Posted - 2010.06.20 08:23:00 -
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Originally by: Musical Fist I say we should learn from our neighbouring countries at least they have self respect
Yeah france and germany are fiercely nationalistic when it comes to sports and competitions.....its not like its just taking pride in your country and hoping that they beat all the other countries (in a competition).......
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Musical Fist
Gallente The Unknown Bar and Pub
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Posted - 2010.06.20 13:20:00 -
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Originally by: ZeeWolf
Originally by: Musical Fist Edited by: Musical Fist on 20/06/2010 00:54:09 Im from England and I always hope the other guy wins in EVERYTHING!!
No need to flame, im British therefore ...
So are you English or British? I class myself as Scottish and never as British.
Honestly I dont really know which title to work with both are equally bad and I dont see a reason to use it anyway, so really what im saying is I live here and have done all my life, thats all :)
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