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EdFromHumanResources
Caldari hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.06.20 16:16:00 -
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Make the bonus to range and lower the bonus to rep amount.
Thats it, no big block of text. The 7.5km range is completely unacceptable when even a bad bump from quarter speed can push you out of rep range.
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Terrible Punchline
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Posted - 2010.06.20 16:37:00 -
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^^ this. awesome idea, makes those systems actually useful.
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CynoNet Two
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.06.20 16:38:00 -
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Also we want covert cyno's damnit
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Triskele Inire
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Posted - 2010.06.20 16:41:00 -
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Edited by: Triskele Inire on 20/06/2010 16:41:21 T3 remote-rep subsystems really could use a bonus to range, 7.5km is very short.
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Crazy KSK
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Posted - 2010.06.20 23:33:00 -
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Yes! and I want a subsystem for the hictors bubble mod! and all 4 races should get a mod for their secondary ewar (painers, damps, tracking disruptor) and revisit the other mods that are not used much, like the one that gives bonus to overheat I think that one should get a 20% bonus per level
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Dan Kaneda
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Posted - 2010.06.21 14:29:00 -
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Supported, this should be what logistic is about, range, not power, atm it's useless :/
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.06.21 16:50:00 -
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Yeah, I'd buy a T3 for doing logistics but the bonuses are far far too weak to justify it. Medium reps, even bonused, at short range = wtfm8?
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire |
General Escobar
Gung-Ho
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Posted - 2010.07.05 17:45:00 -
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make t3 logistics useful!! supported!
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beardevil
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Posted - 2010.07.05 20:47:00 -
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T3 ships are not logistics ships; doing this would step all over the toes of the T2 logistics cruisers.
It's similar to giving the proteus 125mb drone bandwidth... it would then would be better than the Ishtar which is the specialised drone cruiser.
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Batolemaeus
Vauryndar Dalharil
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Posted - 2010.07.05 23:17:00 -
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Originally by: beardevil T3 ships are not logistics ships; doing this would step all over the toes of the T2 logistics cruisers.
No it wouldn't. Logistics have a lot of advantages over t3 which wouldn't change at all with better range.
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EdFromHumanResources
Caldari hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.07.05 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: beardevil T3 ships are not logistics ships; doing this would step all over the toes of the T2 logistics cruisers.
It's similar to giving the proteus 125mb drone bandwidth... it would then would be better than the Ishtar which is the specialised drone cruiser.
So your school of thought is that a T3 ship should never match a specialist ship even when the T3 ship itself is set up in such a way that specializes it?
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beardevil
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Posted - 2010.07.06 00:47:00 -
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Originally by: EdFromHumanResources
So your school of thought is that a T3 ship should never match a specialist ship even when the T3 ship itself is set up in such a way that specializes it?
Not exactly. I'd just rather not see other ships simply duplicated by T3. Why not just take a logistics?
Also, using the previous example a logistics ship with proteus EHP would be plain better than the specialised T2 hull.
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Batolemaeus
Caldari Vauryndar Dalharil
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Posted - 2010.07.06 09:37:00 -
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Originally by: beardevil
Also, using the previous example a logistics ship with proteus EHP would be plain better than the specialised T2 hull.
Logistics have more advantages over t3 ships than just range. signature, cap transfers, cap bonuses, fitting bonuses.
T3 currently have a bonus to repair amount, which is useless with such limited range.
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Maxsim Goratiev
Imperial Tau Syndicate Underworld Excavators
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Posted - 2010.07.06 11:46:00 -
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Give it more range, but it should still be much shorter then a logi ship. Logistics ships are fragile, so they need to be able to sit away from the fight. T3 ships have some of the toughest teanks around, can have cloacks and interdiction nullifiers, so there is no reaosn they should sit 60 km away. You can boost their range for ~20km, but nothing drastic please. |
XXSketchxx
Remote Soviet Industries Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2010.07.06 13:15:00 -
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Edited by: XXSketchxx on 06/07/2010 13:15:43 I like the uniqueness of bonus to rep amount and I don't want to obsolete logistics cruisers.
With that said, range does need to be increased a tad. 25-30km at lvl 5 Defensive sub would be okay IMO.
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EdFromHumanResources
Caldari hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.07.06 21:23:00 -
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Originally by: beardevil
Originally by: EdFromHumanResources
So your school of thought is that a T3 ship should never match a specialist ship even when the T3 ship itself is set up in such a way that specializes it?
Not exactly. I'd just rather not see other ships simply duplicated by T3. Why not just take a logistics?
Also, using the previous example a logistics ship with proteus EHP would be plain better than the specialised T2 hull.
The only T3 ship with a smaller sig radius would be the Loki, teh rest would all be larger than their T2 counterparts. Much, much, larger in the case of the Tengu.
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beardevil
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Posted - 2010.07.06 22:01:00 -
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I'm not opposed to any changes. Just making the point that care should be taken with T3 roles.
I think some of the above posts hit the nail on the head. A range of around 20km would let them have a bit of mobility but not overshadow logistics. Also they could let them maintain mobility in little RR groups.
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Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.07.06 22:16:00 -
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Giving them a 30% bonus to rep range per level would be resonable imo. That would give them a 15km range, (13.2km with subsystem skill @ level 4) on best named medium reps. and 21km, (18.5km with subsystem skill @ level 4) on a best named large rep.
Which sounds pretty decent to me. ---
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EdFromHumanResources
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.07.06 22:26:00 -
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Originally by: beardevil I'm not opposed to any changes. Just making the point that care should be taken with T3 roles.
I think some of the above posts hit the nail on the head. A range of around 20km would let them have a bit of mobility but not overshadow logistics. Also they could let them maintain mobility in little RR groups.
I completely agree. |
XXSketchxx
Gallente Remote Soviet Industries Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2010.07.06 22:42:00 -
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I don't know about the other T3, but the Tengu can easily mount a large shield transporter, full rack of launchers, resists + buffer.
Just thought I'd throw that out there as I think I have now seen 2 people mention them using medium reps.
Throw in the sensor strength subsystem + some ECCM mods and you could have a really nasty remote rep circle to break
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EdFromHumanResources
Caldari hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.07.06 23:24:00 -
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Originally by: XXSketchxx I don't know about the other T3, but the Tengu can easily mount a large shield transporter, full rack of launchers, resists + buffer.
Just thought I'd throw that out there as I think I have now seen 2 people mention them using medium reps.
Throw in the sensor strength subsystem + some ECCM mods and you could have a really nasty remote rep circle to break
And get outrepped five fold by a logistics ship.
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XXSketchxx
Gallente Remote Soviet Industries Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2010.07.07 01:28:00 -
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Originally by: EdFromHumanResources
And get outrepped five fold by a logistics ship.
Obviously. Just saying that this subsystem would make T3 pretty sweet for RR gangs, being able to provide good rep at a reasonable range (20-25km), decent damage with HM, point, and have all the advantages of being a cruiser (agile, small).
You seem to be of the opinion that T3 logistics fits should be mirror images of logistics cruisers. I see them as cruiser sized RR Battleships.
::shrug::
I agree they need a boost to range, just not more than 30km at lvl 5 defensive sub skill.
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EdFromHumanResources
Caldari hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.07.07 02:02:00 -
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Originally by: XXSketchxx
Originally by: EdFromHumanResources
And get outrepped five fold by a logistics ship.
Obviously. Just saying that this subsystem would make T3 pretty sweet for RR gangs, being able to provide good rep at a reasonable range (20-25km), decent damage with HM, point, and have all the advantages of being a cruiser (agile, small).
You seem to be of the opinion that T3 logistics fits should be mirror images of logistics cruisers. I see them as cruiser sized RR Battleships.
::shrug::
I agree they need a boost to range, just not more than 30km at lvl 5 defensive sub skill.
Actually I completely agree with you. But I think medium reps should get the range of around 25km, if someone shoehorns in a large they will get a longer range with the missile setup you already stated
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Lykouleon
Trust Doesn't Rust
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Posted - 2010.07.07 06:45:00 -
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Quote: CCP Mindstar > Sorry - I've completely messed all that up. lets try again
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Takashi Halamoto
No Limit Productions Looney Toons.
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Posted - 2010.07.07 08:28:00 -
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i completly agress that a 25-30k ish range on med reps on a t3 would make the logistics module worthwhile,
when they did the economic report it showed only one or two modules of each sub are really in demand this is because only one or two are practically useful, the logistics module lacks range, the overheating module relies on someone using overheat a last ditch technique as standard policy
yes dont let a t3 equal a logistics full range but let it get half as far at least |
EdFromHumanResources
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.22 20:15:00 -
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Bumping this here.
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Manji Lee
Gallente Galactic Express The Spire Collective
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Posted - 2010.07.22 22:34:00 -
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This is covered under commit to excellence proposal I believe. Got any tinfoil? |
EdFromHumanResources
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.22 22:44:00 -
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Yah well I don't really have faith in CCP not ignoring one proposal because it insults their ego.
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Saelie
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Posted - 2010.07.22 23:23:00 -
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Supported. Logistics range on T3s needs an increase to make it practical.
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