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Larkonis Trassler
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.06.22 12:18:00 -
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T3 was sold to the populace as a modular ship with you able to pick and choose what subsystems you wanted for maximum effect. However, despite their uses in some situations they have turned out to be a bit of a damp squib. Each race only has a couple of really viable combinations. At the end of the day you KNOW that when you face a Proteus it will be equipped with blasters and be hardened against kinetic/thermal, you KNOW that if you're fighting a Tengu he's going to have a shield tank.
Suggestion:
Allow a T3 Hull to be equipped with ANY racial subsystem as long as the skills are present.
Imagine it. Laser Tengus, Heavy missile spamming neuting Proteus', a Loki vulnerable to Gallente jammers. Real unpredictability when you are fighting these vessels. Perhaps certain racial characteristics should be imbibed within the hulls (ie racial resists and sensor strength) to not throw things too much off balance. Reference cosmetics, every sub has a racial counterpart so it's simply a case of using the same model for the three other races when applied to the ship (ie, a Loki would look the same with whatever race's command module fitted).
In order to ofset the benefits perhaps bigger penalties are required if using an off racial module, perhaps the loss of two levels of a skill if it is the randomly determined one for the chop.
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Crazy KSK
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Posted - 2010.06.22 13:02:00 -
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I like the idea and I hoped that t3 would be like that but I wouldn't want to chance t3 that way anymore rather use that idea for a t4 ship, only one hull and loads of subsystems for all races which even can change the class of the ship from bc to bs and so on
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De'Veldrin
Special Projects Executive The Obsidian Legion
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Posted - 2010.06.22 14:48:00 -
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I honestly can't believe I am going to do this.
I support the idea, if not Lark's actual implementation. This would make T3 ships even more unpredictable than they are/should be now. It would offer small roaming gangs the chance to really surprise opponents with unusual arrangements, something that is sadly lacking at present.
I would (rather than monkeying with the skills loss) apply less of a bonus if mounting the module to a non-racially matching hull (say by 25 or 50 percent). This would also allow for an additional high rank skill that would lessen those penalties by say 2% per level (call it Subsystem Compatibiilty or something).
Supporting the theory at any rate. --Vel
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Cearain
Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2010.06.22 15:00:00 -
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IĈm not really knowledgeable about t3 but let me throw this concern out.
This change just seems to make calling primary a complete crap shoot. You go up against 10 t3 ships. Just primary the closest? To the extent t3 becomes more and more widespread this seems to mitigate any advantages you have of being knowledgeable about how ships can be fit.
I would be concerned that this would make them *too* unpredictable. If you have no way to predict what the ships have on them you have no way to strategize.
-Cearain
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Mistress Frome
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.06.22 15:44:00 -
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Hilarious idea
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Larkonis Trassler
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.06.22 16:11:00 -
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Edited by: Larkonis Trassler on 22/06/2010 16:12:24
Originally by: De'Veldrin I honestly can't believe I am going to do this.
Yeah, I hear that a lot
I like the idea of a cut to efficiency. The Devil is in the details and the actual penalty would be up to people with far more knowledge than me to decide.
With regards to increasing the unpredictability surely that's the point. T3s tricked out for a role are (in most cases) sub par to their T2 counterparts and considering the investment that is put into them in terms of isk and risk I think it's a p cool and balanced idea.
And in the scenario suggested whereby you come across a group of T3 ships, well, it might foster a bit more on the fly tactical thinking and communication within your gang. Keep in mind you will still be able to view the nature of the subsystems fitted and if racial resists are decoupled from subs and applied to hulls you'll still know what damage types to apply and which jammers to use. Do you know immeadiately who to primary first if you encounter a group entirely consisting of (lol) Legions?
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Miyamoto Isoruku
Original Sin.
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Posted - 2010.06.22 16:25:00 -
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Balancing this will be evil, but if it can be done it would be a fantastic idea.
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Dracoknight
U-208 Blade.
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Posted - 2010.06.22 16:28:00 -
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Edited by: Dracoknight on 22/06/2010 16:30:31 I like the idea, it would be fun to see T3 being what they really are supposed to be: "Fully costumizable" ships. ____________________
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Shigsy
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.06.22 16:31:00 -
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Edited by: Shigsy on 22/06/2010 16:31:12 Omfg, actually logged into these ****ty forums to support this awesome idea.
edit: i forgot to support it lolllool _________________________________
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Zilberfrid
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Posted - 2010.06.22 17:06:00 -
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As long as racial cruiser 5 becomes prereq for the subs as well. ------------------------------------- I like to fly around and shoot stuff. |
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Hei'di
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.06.22 17:13:00 -
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fantastic idea...somebody gief me iskies for a t3 to proof op's point!
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Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.06.22 17:34:00 -
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The details of implementing this would be utter murder. Not just game design, either - I'm pretty sure the art department will make firebombing your house a group excursion if they're asked to make this work. But the idea is cool, and I'd like to see what can be done with it.
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Larkonis Trassler
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.06.22 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto The details of implementing this would be utter murder. Not just game design, either - I'm pretty sure the art department will make firebombing your house a group excursion if they're asked to make this work. But the idea is cool, and I'd like to see what can be done with it.
As I suggested there shouldn't really need to be a change to artwork, maybe adding a turret hardpoint here or there. Perhaps a slightly different colour scheme for fitting an off race sub? No real need for Frakenstein like monstrosities.
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Arathon Theimies
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.06.22 17:53:00 -
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Very nice idea. WTB lazooooor loki
Truth and Honour, Larkonis Trassler for CSM!!! |
Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.06.22 18:33:00 -
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Lasers? On a Tengu? Blasphemy! But also a cool idea.
Support.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.06.22 18:46:00 -
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+1 legion + the tengu missile subsystem = rock the road.
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Warmal Thunker
No.Mercy Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.06.22 19:31:00 -
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Bad idea.
If you want to fly different ships then train for them just like for all other ships.
You might as well introduce a 'hide the type of ship I fly' cloak for all hacs/recons.
I like if if a hull has 2 or 3 reasonable fittings but this would make them all too similar.
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Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.06.22 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: Larkonis Trassler As I suggested there shouldn't really need to be a change to artwork, maybe adding a turret hardpoint here or there. Perhaps a slightly different colour scheme for fitting an off race sub? No real need for Frakenstein like monstrosities.
The problem is, there's no single T3 hull design. You could try to equate them, and say that an Legion Defensive resist module on a Tengu looks like a Tengu's resist module, but gold. But frankly, that would look ugly as sin, so I don't see it happening. You'd need huge amounts of art work or to dramatically lower your standards, neither of which I expect to appeal.
Like I said, I like the idea. But I don't think CCP will think it worthwhile.
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Illrean
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Posted - 2010.06.22 21:18:00 -
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Ohh a Laser Tengu, or a maybe a Blaster Loki.
I would love to see this.
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Jogvan
NibbleTek RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.23 01:16:00 -
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Yes! My main disappointment with T3 cruisers was that they basically do exactly the same as other ships of that race, I want ECM Legions and long range webbing Tengus etc. It would be awesome.
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Maxsim Goratiev
Imperial Tau Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.06.24 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto The details of implementing this would be utter murder. Not just game design, either - I'm pretty sure the art department will make firebombing your house a group excursion if they're asked to make this work. But the idea is cool, and I'd like to see what can be done with it.
this
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Bristin
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Posted - 2010.06.27 04:27:00 -
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Yes. If not for T3...then for T4.
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I SoStoned
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Posted - 2010.06.27 21:49:00 -
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This is how I thought they were going to be in the first place... dividing them up racially ruined the 'awww cool!' factor almost entirely. Now it's more like... 'okay, interesting'...
What about other hull sizes, though? :/ --- Dreamer: My dream, Freddy! MY RULES. Freddy Kruger: *groans* Awwwww, f**k. --- Never give up! |
eliminator2
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Posted - 2010.06.28 08:32:00 -
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id actually like this be really fun to see the defrint ships and races mixed and mached -----------------------------------------------
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XXSketchxx
Remote Soviet Industries Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2010.06.28 13:23:00 -
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Edited by: XXSketchxx on 28/06/2010 13:23:09 Hmmm.
Interesting take. I like it. Balancing might take some work but yeah this would truly redefine "strategic."
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Jekyl Eraser
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Posted - 2010.06.28 14:36:00 -
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I dont like
Bad aesthetically
Bad balance
Can't see good points other than 'lets make T3 totally imba broken lolol'....
Instead i'm waiting for more different subsystems and rebalancing of some of the ships/subsystems
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Ambaseter Doggy
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Posted - 2010.06.28 16:27:00 -
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Jekyl thats the point. theyll be frankinstein ships with strange fits and awsome power
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Laina Delapore
Red Sun Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.29 09:44:00 -
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I whole-heartedly endorse this proposal, and it is, in honesty - exactly what I thought T3 ships would be when CCP said "modular."
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Motre
The Panzer Ghost Division
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Posted - 2010.06.29 20:30:00 -
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Yes.
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Captain Organs
ArmoredCore Armed Forces
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Posted - 2010.06.30 12:36:00 -
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Not supported.
The races are the way they are for a reason. Don't go fiddling with that. If you don't like the way they are then train for another.
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