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Cole Y0unger
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.06.24 23:03:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: Marlona Sky
Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Blane Xero
No, it wasn't. They don't need a SP system to give us ships, the gift is nothing to do with SP.
Your theorycrafting and worry-warting got you nowhere.
Go and read it, we are getting two gifts on the 29th.
I will lol if all the SP we are given is can only be applied to the spaceship command skill necessary to fly the new "to be suicided" free ship. 
It says in the Blog that you dont need special skill to fly the ship  |
Catherine Frasier
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Posted - 2010.06.24 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero
No, it wasn't. They don't need a SP system to give us ships, the gift is nothing to do with SP.
Your theorycrafting and worry-warting got you nowhere.
Yeah right, they just mentioned the new system for giving us stuff in the same post that discussed giving us stuff... for no reason at all. It's not related, it's just a weird coincidence. Suuuuure thing there, makes perfect sense. (And I'm the one "theorycrafting").
No damn clue how "worry-warting" even comes into this, so... |
Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.06.24 23:43:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Catherine Frasier
Originally by: Blane Xero
No, it wasn't. They don't need a SP system to give us ships, the gift is nothing to do with SP.
Your theorycrafting and worry-warting got you nowhere.
Yeah right, they just mentioned the new system for giving us stuff in the same post that discussed giving us stuff... for no reason at all. It's not related, it's just a weird coincidence. Suuuuure thing there, makes perfect sense. (And I'm the one "theorycrafting").
No damn clue how "worry-warting" even comes into this, so...
You quoted me telling me to look to the footnote which mentioned the gift which is the ship. We had all already acknowledged the SP refund and the mechanic CCP is building specifically to make this happen. They did not already have it in the works and they were not, according to the news article, intending to implement it next week originally. Next week we were originally only getting one gift which was revealed today as being the ship.
You're the one theorycrafting that they had this in the plans from the beginning and that they have some other use that they have apparently only released in a way you understand. |
Catherine Frasier
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Posted - 2010.06.24 23:57:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Blane Xero
the footnote which mentioned the gift which is the ship. We had all already acknowledged the SP refund and the mechanic CCP is building specifically to make this happen. They did not already have it in the works and they were not, according to the news article, intending to implement it next week originally. Next week we were originally only getting one gift which was revealed today as being the ship.
You're the one theorycrafting that they had this in the plans from the beginning and that they have some other use that they have apparently only released in a way you understand.
You've obviously got some reading comprehension issues here. I can't be bothered to hold your obstinate little hand until you eventually understand the posting. Go hump CCP's leg until they clarify just for you with single syllable words and maybe some pictures in bright primary colours. |
Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.06.25 00:21:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Catherine Frasier
Originally by: Blane Xero
the footnote which mentioned the gift which is the ship. We had all already acknowledged the SP refund and the mechanic CCP is building specifically to make this happen. They did not already have it in the works and they were not, according to the news article, intending to implement it next week originally. Next week we were originally only getting one gift which was revealed today as being the ship.
You're the one theorycrafting that they had this in the plans from the beginning and that they have some other use that they have apparently only released in a way you understand.
You've obviously got some reading comprehension issues here. I can't be bothered to hold your obstinate little hand until you eventually understand the posting. Go hump CCP's leg until they clarify just for you with single syllable words and maybe some pictures in bright primary colours.
Show me where this magical second (Third if you count the SP refund as a gift as well as the ship) is mentioned in the news article:
Quote:
Pilots, After an unexpectedly long downtime following the physical relocation and updating of the Tranquility server cluster, we welcome you back to the EVE universe. For those of you not following along at www.eveonline.com, Twitter and Facebook, we discovered an issue during the final testing of the database configuration which, once fixed, required a few more layers of testing before we could begin the process of bringing the server back online. This downtime has been unprecedented in many ways and CCP understands its responsibility to address it as such. Once our database team catches some sleep, they will write a dev blog detailing the delay, our decision process for extending the downtime and the steps we took to bring back New Eden as stable as possible. That will be posted in the dev blog section on www.eveonline.com.
In gratitude for your patience and after consulting the Council of Stellar Management, we will give an extra pool of skillpoints to all accounts (paying and trial) that were active at the beginning of this downtime, on one character per account. This skillpoint pool will be appropriately sized for the downtime time frame, universal across all accounts regardless of character attributes/implants and may be applied as each player wants.
This will be done through a new system in the development pipeline, currently scheduled for deployment next TuesdayÆs patching opportunity* during regularly scheduled downtime. Since it has been ôhot droppedö into the development plans, we will be providing step-by-step instructions for how to use it as soon as possible. Thank you again for your understanding and patience. Please feel free to discuss this in this official thread.
Fly Safe, The EVE Online Development Team
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*Coincidentally, next week we had already been planning to give another gift to all pilots. More on that gift Soon Ö.
They only ever mention an actual planned gift in the footnote. The SP Reimbursement could be seen as a gift, but was not planned. They mention the SP Reimbursement is coming in a new system they are developing and have specifically given top priority so that they can reimburse SP. Nowhere is it mentioned or hinted that there is something else to be expected with the SP reimbursement and Gift, which has now been revealed as a ship (The primae)
Otherwise, quit trolling the troll.
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Catherine Frasier
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Posted - 2010.06.25 00:52:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: Catherine Frasier
I can't be bothered to hold your obstinate little hand until you eventually understand
Show me where...
Jeebus wept! Maybe it would help if you sounded out the words one at a time. |
Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.06.25 01:02:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Catherine Frasier
Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: Catherine Frasier
I can't be bothered to hold your obstinate little hand until you eventually understand
Show me where...
Jeebus wept! Maybe it would help if you sounded out the words one at a time.
I'm so sorry that since you cannot back up your claim and subsequent call-out of my original post in this thread that you feel you have to resort to personal insults. Clearly, I was wrong in trying to locate factual evidence that you claimed I had missed, and I apologise for calling you out for calling me out. I further apologise for trying to maintain the debate, if you can call it that, by being constructive, on-point, and at no point attaching real-life traits (or possible real life traits) of you as a person to your ability to read, comprehend and process information.
Yours, with condolences
Blane Xero.
~Because I care. |
Catherine Frasier
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Posted - 2010.06.25 01:18:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Blane Xero
I was wrong in trying to locate factual evidence that you claimed I had missed
Simpler then. You were wrong. You are still wrong. It is right there in black and white in the post from CCP. Everyone else sees it. Learn to read. I am going bye-bye from this thread now. Understand? |
Diomedes Calypso
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Posted - 2010.06.25 01:28:00 -
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a day or two training 50k -100k sp is such a tiny little thing it almost like putting free mints out at a hotel.
We're talking way less that 1% of the spell points of most charcters...
Yes.. when you inconvenience someone a little gift is polite and I think two days training would be a little gift. It costs them nothting and sense everyone gets them, it's got microscopic competitive impact.
But given how watching our skill plans crawl along is part of the game getting a little boost does feel like a little treet to enjoy for a week or so and will be irrelevant looking back 5 months down the line.
Its almost like a smile... costs nothing but is worth something to those you give them too (not a smirk or a leer btw) |
Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.06.25 01:29:00 -
[40]
Going to quote you for some emphasis here.
Originally by: Catherine Frasier
You see the asterisk after the word "opportunity"? That means there's a footnote for you to read. Read it and you will find that they were already planning to use this "new system" for another purpose next week. Just as XenosisReaper said, this particular gift was dropped into a system already under construction.
To point out, again, that the "other purpose" you are referring to turned out to be a ship. The new system they are implementing is for Skillpoints. Ships are not skillpoints.
To further drive this point home to you: You were talking a load of **** about a gift that, at the time of your posting, had not yet been revealed in the hopes that you would look smart. It turned out to be a ship, shattering your standpoint in our little debate; End result? You start accusing me of being the idiot.
Foot, meet mouth. Mouth, meet foot. Open mouth, insert foot, call everyone else a moron. Yay posting. |
Catherine Frasier
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Posted - 2010.06.25 01:40:00 -
[41]
Kudos for trolling me back into this conversation.
Originally by: Blane Xero
Ships are not skillpoints.
I hate to break it to you but they are not real ships nor are they real skills. It's all just game data. This clear distinction that absolutely requires two completely different pipelines only exists in your head (as the CCP post makes abundantly clear.)
Originally by: Blane Xero
You start accusing me of being the idiot.
No accusation, just an observation.
Originally by: Blane Xero
call everyone else a moron.
Not everyone else, just you.
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Ilene D'over
Tax Free Corporation
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Posted - 2010.06.25 01:45:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Nooma K'Larr
We all should be expecting checks from CCP in the mail.
I am open on what I should spend my 50 cent windfall on. :) |
Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.06.25 01:49:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Catherine Frasier
Kudos for trolling me back into this conversation.
I knew if I hammered aimlessly at the keyboard for a bit I could do it. They said I couldn't, but I sure showed them!
Unfortunately you complete sidestepped my point again. Damn you're good at that. I'll just assume that you can no longer back up your side to the debate/argument/rant/post and are graciously conceding defeat. Cheerio! |
Diomedes Calypso
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Posted - 2010.06.25 01:51:00 -
[44]
If I had signed up a week early when my friend did instead of waiting I'd have 403k more skill points! Darn what a blow it procrastinating!
You guys are nuts...its a blip....like I said, it feels good to get little boost but its not going to rattle anything if it happened now and then.
If it were a months worth of sp.. ok that starts being a bit noticable but still wouldn't mean much to a person after a year or so...you wouldn't give it up.. but a guy a month ahead of you isn't all that different.
Sort like to asking a little kid how old he is and he answers "five and three quarters" ... once you get to be 10, let alone 25 you don't really worry about that 3/4s...t
and this isn't a month they're talking about.. its a day or so.. that only a materaial change if you're only halfway through the trial perioed.
you guys are nuts. |
Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.06.25 01:54:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Diomedes Calypso
If I had signed up a week early when my friend did instead of waiting I'd have 403k more skill points! Darn what a blow it procrastinating!
You guys are nuts...its a blip....like I said, it feels good to get little boost but its not going to rattle anything if it happened now and then.
If it were a months worth of sp.. ok that starts being a bit noticable but still wouldn't mean much to a person after a year or so...you wouldn't give it up.. but a guy a month ahead of you isn't all that different.
Sort like to asking a little kid how old he is and he answers "five and three quarters" ... once you get to be 10, let alone 25 you don't really worry about that 3/4s...t
and this isn't a month they're talking about.. its a day or so.. that only a materaial change if you're only halfway through the trial perioed.
you guys are nuts.
Cath and me weren't arguing about this. Cath made a claim that CCP already had this system for reimbursing SP in the works and intended to use it next week for something other than reimbursing SP for the 30 hour downtime, when infact they didnt and they only decided to throw the SP in with a ship (The ship is what it turned out they had planned, this was unveiled AFTER caths initial post)
A load of posts happened and Cath and me are still trolling each other. |
Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.06.25 10:25:00 -
[46]
Edited by: Whitehound on 25/06/2010 10:25:50
Originally by: Blane Xero
Cath and me weren't arguing about this. Cath made a claim that CCP already had this system for reimbursing SP in the works and intended to use it next week for something other than reimbursing SP for the 30 hour downtime, when infact they didnt and they only decided to throw the SP in with a ship (The ship is what it turned out they had planned, this was unveiled AFTER caths initial post)
Originally by: CCP News
... In gratitude for your patience and after consulting the Council of Stellar Management, we will give an extra pool of skillpoints to all accounts (paying and trial) that were active at the beginning of this downtime, on one character per account. This skillpoint pool will be appropriately sized for the downtime time frame, universal across all accounts regardless of character attributes/implants and may be applied as each player wants.
This will be done through a new system in the development pipeline, currently scheduled for deployment next TuesdayÆs patching opportunity* during regularly scheduled downtime. ...
Dear Blane, do you not understand what it means when something is in a development pipeline? It means that it is under development, and it is a pipeline, because all newly developed things need to be tested and run through QA.
So, yes, CCP does have a system in the works that allows to reimburse players with SPs and they will be introducing it in the next week. It is not the SPs that will be deployed, it is this new system! 
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Lord Wamphyri
Amarr
Starside Lost
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Posted - 2010.06.25 11:02:00 -
[47]
Yay! Free skillpoints! I'm going to plow them into advanced learning skills!
My EVE Tattoo!
My Second EVE Tattoo! |
FoxtrotOff
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2010.06.25 11:12:00 -
[48]
Read the CSM report..
The CSM actually recommended this reimbursement to players and CCP listened.
Well done to the CSM, i for one dont think its anywhere close to a dangerous precedent, hell itll shut all the trolls up and stop threads like "eves been down x days i want x days in return"
Good job CSM + CCP
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Just let me find something big and then ill kill you with it |
GoGo Rens
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Posted - 2010.06.25 11:30:00 -
[49]
Yay Micro-transactions, lets all hope so, they could only improve the game no end.
P.S Whats a micro-Transaction?
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FlameGlow
Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.25 11:40:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Johnny Gurkha
Screw the 24hrs of "waste", damn whiners should get a grip... instead nerf learning skills and let me put the 5.3m SP into something useful
5.3m? You're doing it very wrong
Originally by: CCP Manifest
Imploding servers are not a part of our business model.
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Amaron Ghant
Caldari
Tritanium Space Whales
Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.25 11:41:00 -
[51]
At first I thought oh god no.
Then I worked out how many skillpoints we would be talking about over a 24 hour period, then I thought ahhhh smart move CCP
Minimal outlay for maximum whinage choking.
As long as there is no ability to buy sp it's all good. |
Pookie McPook
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Posted - 2010.06.25 11:58:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Blane Xero
They're refunding us SP
Wait, I didn't lose any SP because I was sensible and set a long skill training. Therefore I'm goin to be given "additional" SP. Does this mean my station is going to get picketted by newbs demanding I give them back as it is unfair? Let's hope they do so in their free "PI" ships.
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Agnod
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Posted - 2010.06.25 12:12:00 -
[53]
Well lets look at it from a different angle.
If they already had something in the pipeline to reimburse SPs, Maybe there is something else that need reimbursing.
Does "Learning skills by by!!" evoke anything to you?
And on a side note I find it rather cool of CCP to give us some of the potentiality lost SPs back.
not that I lost any!  |
the Whitenoise
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Posted - 2010.06.25 12:30:00 -
[54]
another possibility is instead of giving newbs 1,6million sp earned at double speed giving newbs 1,6 to drop into any skills they want thus getting that initial start phase done nice and fast
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Flex Carter
Caldari Independant Mining Association
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Posted - 2010.06.25 12:38:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Amaron Ghant
At first I thought oh god no.
Then I worked out how many skillpoints we would be talking about over a 24 hour period, then I thought ahhhh smart move CCP
Minimal outlay for maximum whinage choking.
As long as there is no ability to buy sp it's all good.
I totally agree m8...
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.06.25 15:28:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Whitehound
Edited by: Whitehound on 25/06/2010 10:25:50
Originally by: Blane Xero
Cath and me weren't arguing about this. Cath made a claim that CCP already had this system for reimbursing SP in the works and intended to use it next week for something other than reimbursing SP for the 30 hour downtime, when infact they didnt and they only decided to throw the SP in with a ship (The ship is what it turned out they had planned, this was unveiled AFTER caths initial post)
Originally by: CCP News
... In gratitude for your patience and after consulting the Council of Stellar Management, we will give an extra pool of skillpoints to all accounts (paying and trial) that were active at the beginning of this downtime, on one character per account. This skillpoint pool will be appropriately sized for the downtime time frame, universal across all accounts regardless of character attributes/implants and may be applied as each player wants.
This will be done through a new system in the development pipeline, currently scheduled for deployment next TuesdayÆs patching opportunity* during regularly scheduled downtime. ...
Dear Blane, do you not understand what it means when something is in a development pipeline? It means that it is under development, and it is a pipeline, because all newly developed things need to be tested and run through QA.
So, yes, CCP does have a system in the works that allows to reimburse players with SPs and they will be introducing it in the next week. It is not the SPs that will be deployed, it is this new system!
Nice quotemining. Now quote the sentence right after that:
Quote:
Since it has been ôhot droppedö into the development plans, we will be providing step-by-step instructions for how to use it as soon as possible.
Like I said. Nice quote mining, next time quote the whole thing. The "hot-dropped" part is really important here, and if you don't understand maybe you should stop insinuating/observation about the intelligence levels of other people.
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Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout
Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
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Lucious Desire
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Posted - 2010.06.25 15:40:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: Whitehound
Edited by: Whitehound on 25/06/2010 10:25:50
Originally by: Blane Xero
Cath and me weren't arguing about this. Cath made a claim that CCP already had this system for reimbursing SP in the works and intended to use it next week for something other than reimbursing SP for the 30 hour downtime, when infact they didnt and they only decided to throw the SP in with a ship (The ship is what it turned out they had planned, this was unveiled AFTER caths initial post)
Originally by: CCP News
... In gratitude for your patience and after consulting the Council of Stellar Management, we will give an extra pool of skillpoints to all accounts (paying and trial) that were active at the beginning of this downtime, on one character per account. This skillpoint pool will be appropriately sized for the downtime time frame, universal across all accounts regardless of character attributes/implants and may be applied as each player wants.
This will be done through a new system in the development pipeline, currently scheduled for deployment next TuesdayÆs patching opportunity* during regularly scheduled downtime. ...
Dear Blane, do you not understand what it means when something is in a development pipeline? It means that it is under development, and it is a pipeline, because all newly developed things need to be tested and run through QA.
So, yes, CCP does have a system in the works that allows to reimburse players with SPs and they will be introducing it in the next week. It is not the SPs that will be deployed, it is this new system!
Nice quotemining. Now quote the sentence right after that:
Quote:
Since it has been ôhot droppedö into the development plans, we will be providing step-by-step instructions for how to use it as soon as possible.
Like I said. Nice quote mining, next time quote the whole thing. The "hot-dropped" part is really important here, and if you don't understand maybe you should stop insinuating/observation about the intelligence levels of other people.
Word.
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2010.06.25 17:30:00 -
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For the rest of the world (I mean, for people other than a few hysterical jerks): It is normal practice for online gaming industry to reimburse the unscheduled outages. For most games it is done by adding a play time, but it only good for games which are progressing directly from your actions in game world.
For EVE, it's much, much more complicated, and taking in count the nature of character's personal progression in EVE, the one day means little to the one separate character.
What else you can think about as reimbursement? Monetary bonus? ISK? Very subjective value, and I saw a number of players, for whom the game was completely destroyed once they received a sizeable donation of ISK. Prize ship? I can't think about it as regular edeavor, especially looking back at the ISK reasons.
What we have left? If "time is money" is a questionable paradigm in our situation, as we discovered earlier, we in EVE have direct value of time in for of SP. So, SP bonus? It's nearly equally valued over whole playerbase, could be precisely adjusted to the each character. I don't see any downsides. Aside from the fact that they stated they have intention to distribute fixed amount of SP to each account. This I see as unreasonable decision. Better would be to, say cut off up to 3 hours of current training queue from every downtime (more if queue length allowing that, but no more than half of the queue), untile the desired bonus condition is met...
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.06.25 18:17:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Blane Xero
Like I said. Nice quote mining, next time quote the whole thing. The "hot-dropped" part is really important here, and if you don't understand maybe you should stop insinuating/observation about the intelligence levels of other people.
I will explain the sentence, too, and just for you Bane. The reference to the development plans means that we will get this feature sooner than planned. CCP must have discussed their new system for a while now or else they would not be able to add it to their plan.
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.06.25 19:29:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Blane Xero
Like I said. Nice quote mining, next time quote the whole thing. The "hot-dropped" part is really important here, and if you don't understand maybe you should stop insinuating/observation about the intelligence levels of other people.
I will explain the sentence, too, and just for you Bane. The reference to the development plans means that we will get this feature sooner than planned. CCP must have discussed their new system for a while now or else they would not be able to add it to their plan.
No. If something gets Hot-Dropped into the development pipeline it means it has only just been added usually with high priority or at the front of the line of development. What you are talking about is bumping something up on the schedule.
CCP has stated that they decided to add this to the development plans after consulting with the CSM in a meeting right before they brought tranquillity back up. It was not already in development, it only got added to the plans yesterday. It was not previously in development. It was not previously scheduled for deployment next week. It was not previously planned.
But hey, being wrong never stopped you arguing with me before, right Whitehound? Why should we break precedent today! [har-har]
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Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout
Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
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