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Grozen
Caldari Titan Core
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Posted - 2010.06.25 18:35:00 -
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Edited by: Grozen on 25/06/2010 18:38:35 What has allowed the npc goods to go up in price so much?Why haven't people nuked the orders already?
I alone have 600k of 1 of these goods and atm if i sell all of it i'm gonna make 3.3b or 650% more then its original price!Are people thinking prices could go up even more or are those endless stockpiles not so endless..??
In any case i'm very puzzled since cosmo alone said he stocked stuff 4years worth yet the orders continue to climb up every week
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James Rehnold
Amarr Expense Solutions OUTER-HEAVEN
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Posted - 2010.06.25 18:40:00 -
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Why risk it? 3.3b is a good price, sell now! |
Grozen
Caldari Titan Core
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Posted - 2010.06.25 18:43:00 -
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Edited by: Grozen on 25/06/2010 18:48:52 Edited by: Grozen on 25/06/2010 18:44:53 Edited by: Grozen on 25/06/2010 18:44:28 I'm wondering because the item in question doesn't have million amounts sell orders and it looks like its not getting replenished at all.I've been watching it and everyday the amounts are depleted but not replenished at the same speed.So my greedy side is thinking i could make 30b instead of 3 if i wait few weeks
Another thing i'm wondering is how will this affect the t2 market atm producers are not showing any sign worry and the mods enter the market at incredibly fast rate prices are dying every day.But soon enough at this rate having a pos will be luxury thing and many modules are bound to go up.Hell if i had more money knowledge is power |
Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.25 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: Grozen I've been watching it and everyday the amounts are depleted but not replenished at the same speed.
People could just be waiting for the price to go up just like you. I'm sure some of the people doing PI are probably holding onto them as well instead of dumping them on the markets in the hopes of getting more profit.
I think it mainly comes down to the item in question and what it is used for.
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Grozen
Caldari Titan Core
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Posted - 2010.06.25 18:53:00 -
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Edited by: Grozen on 25/06/2010 18:56:41 Hmm yea the possibility of even more greedy ppl then me always has to be taken in consideration, still there should be some people willing to sell at 650% margin unless they have done so already and the first great pi starvation has fallen upon us.
Other thing i noticed various raw materials are getting depleted as well. knowledge is power |
Wyke Mossari
Gallente Staner Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.25 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: Grozen Hmm yea the possibility of even more greedy ppl then me always has to be taken in consideration, still there should be some people willing to sell at 650% margin unless they have done so already and the first great pi starvation has fallen upon us.
It's not the people that are more greedy than you that you have to worry about but those slightly less greedy than you.
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Brock Nelson
Caldari Flux Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2010.06.25 19:30:00 -
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Should I sell my npc stock?
/emote shakes magic 8 ball
Yes
That was last week, I hate my magic 8 ball...
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Aurum Bellator
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.06.25 19:33:00 -
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Most RL speculators slowly release their stock as it increases in price this allows them to better judge when the market is nearing equilibrium.
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Vilgan Mazran
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2010.06.25 19:50:00 -
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What's the motivation to release stock? Almost all of it is clearly going to go up from here. I did drop most of my oxygen at 180ish since I wasn't positive it was going to go up much more, but silicate glass for only 1k? P3 guidance systems for only 4k? Clearly going to go up.
Much of the selling I have done I then rebought later once the price plummeted. For example, I dropped 3 mil silicate glass at 1500/unit, then rebought a good chunk of that at 500 a few days later.
I think that those that had the foresight to buy up PI NPC goods (aka not ebank) will also have the foresight to liquidate slowly and not temporarily crash the market for a short term gain.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2010.06.25 20:01:00 -
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I'm dumping stuff on the market for half what others are selling for, am I doing it right?
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Grozen
Caldari Titan Core
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Posted - 2010.06.25 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: Vilgan Mazran What's the motivation to release stock? Almost all of it is clearly going to go up from here. I did drop most of my oxygen at 180ish since I wasn't positive it was going to go up much more, but silicate glass for only 1k? P3 guidance systems for only 4k? Clearly going to go up.
Much of the selling I have done I then rebought later once the price plummeted. For example, I dropped 3 mil silicate glass at 1500/unit, then rebought a good chunk of that at 500 a few days later.
I think that those that had the foresight to buy up PI NPC goods (aka not ebank) will also have the foresight to liquidate slowly and not temporarily crash the market for a short term gain.
Thx for the advice i guess at this rate there will be some mad profits later on.After all Pi just started. knowledge is power |
IceFyre S18
Zulu Labs Zulu People
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Posted - 2010.06.25 20:10:00 -
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I'm buying all underpriced Mechanical Parts and Guidance Systems from the market, am I doing it right?
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ChrisIsherwood
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Posted - 2010.06.25 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: Grozen
Hmm yea the possibility of even more greedy ppl then me always has to be taken in consideration, still there should be some people willing to sell at 650% margin unless they have done so already and the first great pi starvation has fallen upon us.
It wouldn't be MD without someone grump pointing out that what you or anyone paid for the item has no bearing on what it is worth and should sell for.
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Grozen
Caldari Titan Core
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Posted - 2010.06.25 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: IceFyre S18 I'm buying all underpriced Mechanical Parts and Guidance Systems from the market, am I doing it right?
Ye most likely you're going to make a killing if you aquire good amounts which atm is kinda hard knowledge is power |
Induc
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.06.25 21:32:00 -
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I think it's safe to say not to trust anything said here, my post included
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Grozen
Caldari Titan Core
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Posted - 2010.06.25 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: Induc I think it's safe to say not to trust anything said here, my post included
Well if anything i managed to trigger few new sell orders in some places so its all good for me just enjoying the show knowledge is power |
Induc
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.06.25 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: Grozen
Originally by: Induc I think it's safe to say not to trust anything said here, my post included
Well if anything i managed to trigger few new sell orders in some places so its all good for me just enjoying the show
Is that your way of saying "buy my stock fast"?
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Grozen
Caldari Titan Core
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Posted - 2010.06.25 22:02:00 -
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Nah i'm keeping relatively large amount of stock for the end days.Might sell it 6months from now or anytime the product has 1000% profit. knowledge is power |
IceFyre S18
Zulu Labs Zulu People
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Posted - 2010.06.25 22:23:00 -
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Clever, imo. Since you have plenty of time those months, I strongly sugest to make a spreadsheet for stockpiled PI for last NPC order days, consumption of those, for ex. N tower and modules per day, and of course pos fuel. You will be surprised that stockpiled is not so large after all, and doing Mechanical Parts for that price?!? naah, no way.
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Frenden Dax
Dax Acquisitions
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Posted - 2010.06.26 00:21:00 -
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Many stockpiles are probably for internal use. The remainder are likely being hoarded, much like tech holdings were a while back. Added to this is the fact that most of the larger-scale PI producers are probably sitting on their products until the price rises to their satisfaction.
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Darthion Illys
Amarr Tyrans d'Or Umbrella Chemical Inc
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Posted - 2010.06.26 04:05:00 -
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PI items going up in price... well isn't that a shocker... or not.
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Cista2
Hydra Investment Fund
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Posted - 2010.06.26 10:54:00 -
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Edited by: Cista2 on 26/06/2010 11:05:59
I am curious, since it seems I must be missing out on something. To me it is obvious that the sell order prices of many of the PI goods have been in decline since the peak about one week ago.
If I look at the little red trend line on the graphs I see: Planetary vehicles 9k -> 7k, Robotics 12k -> 10.5k, Synthetic Oil 2k -> 1.2k and so on and so on.
Maybe you are talking of the lower level ones only, and I am looking mainly at the high level ones. My apologies then. ----------------------- Join "Signatures" channel - the chatroom for traders |
MMarlon
SRBI Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.26 11:18:00 -
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Agreed. It is very early to speak about price increase on PI from NPC, large stockpiles, low demand and huge profits, so everybody just dump.
The price of most I expect to be as low as old NPC price +10-20%
However, this is the time to calc which one will vanish first, invest there, sell, next one and so on. POS fuel is my favourite, especially Mechanical Parts, but Robotics or Consumer Electronics would not touch with a 10f stick.
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Grozen
Caldari Titan Core
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Posted - 2010.06.26 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: Cista2 Edited by: Cista2 on 26/06/2010 11:05:59
I am curious, since it seems I must be missing out on something. To me it is obvious that the sell order prices of many of the PI goods have been in decline since the peak about one week ago.
If I look at the little red trend line on the graphs I see: Planetary vehicles 9k -> 7k, Robotics 12k -> 10.5k, Synthetic Oil 2k -> 1.2k and so on and so on.
Maybe you are talking of the lower level ones only, and I am looking mainly at the high level ones. My apologies then.
Obv not talking about those there many others skyrocketing atm.Check both refined and processed
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Corcyrus Endymion
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Posted - 2010.06.26 12:35:00 -
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Edited by: Corcyrus Endymion on 26/06/2010 12:35:10
Originally by: Grozen Nah i'm keeping relatively large amount of stock for the end days.Might sell it 6months from now or anytime the product has 1000% profit.
That's 180 days give or take : x^182=1000 x=1.039122
You made a little less than 4%/day on your investment on a day to day basis. Decent, but nothing too fancy.
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Grozen
Caldari Titan Core
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Posted - 2010.06.26 12:55:00 -
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Edited by: Grozen on 26/06/2010 12:55:22
Originally by: Corcyrus Endymion Edited by: Corcyrus Endymion on 26/06/2010 12:35:10
Originally by: Grozen Nah i'm keeping relatively large amount of stock for the end days.Might sell it 6months from now or anytime the product has 1000% profit.
That's 180 days give or take : x^182=1000 x=1.039122
You made a little less than 4%/day on your investment on a day to day basis. Decent, but nothing too fancy.
If i need to wait that long yes.Still with a moving 5 and 20day avg up everyday i feel secured about waiting the price to reach good levels.
Since i made topic both of the goods i've been watching have increased with 200 and 800 isk/pu in both buy and sell orders.
So I'm pretty sure the 6month estimate i posted is very conservative here.
About 3months tops is what i give it before i dump everything if more people don't enter pi fast. knowledge is power |
Darthion Illys
Amarr Tyrans d'Or Umbrella Chemical Inc
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Posted - 2010.06.26 13:34:00 -
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Anyone who has the slightest clue of how the Eve market behaves, and the psychology in effect of those traders who are part of it, knows these things:
1. There would be lots of small time traders that generally have no clue of what they're doing in regards to trading, that would look to dump their stockpiled PI items for quick profit following the unseeding. 2. Big time traders/speculators would be out several of these small time traders, and their stock, causing quite significant fluctuations in prices in the next few days following the unseeding. 3. Big time traders/speculators most likely won't "dump" their stock, but rather try to sell it off slowly once the price has gone up a -lot-. 4. Those who stockpiled and the amounts they stockpiled were overestimated. 5. The amount of people who would make a long term commitment to doing PI extracting/processing was overestimated, and would quickly decline as soon as the "Oh-cool-new-feature-let's-try-it"-hype settled, as well as people slowly realize that it's quite crappy ISK even for the minimal effort put into it. 6. Very basic calculations, which have been done numerous of times on these forums by those who -are- knowledgeable about the Eve market, have all shown very strong indications that the vast majority of the PI items are currently way underpriced (both in regards to supply, demand and rareity). 7. Former NPC prices are completely void as a market indicator once the former NPC items become unseeded.
If any of the above comes off as "new" to you, then you really haven't been following the PI progression and the events which have dictated its course very well.
If you were already aware of everything above, then I congratulate you on the awesome profit you'll be making from the stockpiles you bought up 1-2 weeks ago.
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Vilgan Mazran
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2010.06.26 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Corcyrus Endymion Edited by: Corcyrus Endymion on 26/06/2010 12:35:10
Originally by: Grozen Nah i'm keeping relatively large amount of stock for the end days.Might sell it 6months from now or anytime the product has 1000% profit.
That's 180 days give or take : x^182=1000 x=1.039122
You made a little less than 4%/day on your investment on a day to day basis. Decent, but nothing too fancy.
I don't know about grozen, but I dropped about 50 bil into tyrannis related stuff. 1) good luck making 4% on 50 bil every day trading, 2) good luck making that kind of return on 50 bil with 5 minutes a day of checking prices (will be every 3-4 days once prices stabilize).
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Kieselguhr Kid
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Posted - 2010.06.26 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: Corcyrus Endymion Edited by: Corcyrus Endymion on 26/06/2010 12:35:10
Originally by: Grozen Nah i'm keeping relatively large amount of stock for the end days.Might sell it 6months from now or anytime the product has 1000% profit.
That's 180 days give or take : x^182=1000 x=1.039122
You made a little less than 4%/day on your investment on a day to day basis. Decent, but nothing too fancy.
I, for one, will not put a single isk into any investment that is risky enough for EBank to say no to. Sure, I make 4% a month instead of 4% a day, but slow and steady wins the race
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Darthion Illys
Amarr Tyrans d'Or Umbrella Chemical Inc
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Posted - 2010.06.26 15:58:00 -
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Because EBank are currently well known for being economical geniuses.
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