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Steve Celeste
Caldari Inglorious-Basterds
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Posted - 2010.06.26 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Kieselguhr Kid I, for one, will not put a single isk into any investment that is risky enough for EBank to say no to. Sure, I make 4% a month instead of 4% a day, but slow and steady wins the race
Get out.
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Selene D'Celeste
Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six
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Posted - 2010.06.26 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Steve Celeste
Originally by: Kieselguhr Kid I, for one, will not put a single isk into any investment that is risky enough for EBank to say no to. Sure, I make 4% a month instead of 4% a day, but slow and steady wins the race
Get out.
No, you get out. Your name is too close to mine. =P ______________________________
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Maria Yumeno
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Posted - 2010.06.26 17:10:00 -
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I was on a long vacation during the NPC unseed (is that a word). needless to say i missed out on a fortune and had to invest a few billion once the npc orders were gone. i am still confident of making isk in the long run tho.
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Corcyrus Endymion
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Posted - 2010.06.26 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Vilgan Mazran
Originally by: Corcyrus Endymion Edited by: Corcyrus Endymion on 26/06/2010 12:35:10
Originally by: Grozen Nah i'm keeping relatively large amount of stock for the end days.Might sell it 6months from now or anytime the product has 1000% profit.
That's 180 days give or take : x^182=1000 x=1.039122
You made a little less than 4%/day on your investment on a day to day basis. Decent, but nothing too fancy.
I don't know about grozen, but I dropped about 50 bil into tyrannis related stuff. 1) good luck making 4% on 50 bil every day trading, 2) good luck making that kind of return on 50 bil with 5 minutes a day of checking prices (will be every 3-4 days once prices stabilize).
Grozen was talking about 3.3b if he cashed out now. I also believed he mentioned a 600% or something margin at this time. Means he invested less than 1B. I can solidly make 20% per day on that billion (and the profit) for a long time.
Can't do that with 50b, but we werent talking bout that!
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Grozen
Caldari Titan Core
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Posted - 2010.06.26 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Corcyrus Endymion
Originally by: Vilgan Mazran
Originally by: Corcyrus Endymion Edited by: Corcyrus Endymion on 26/06/2010 12:35:10
Originally by: Grozen Nah i'm keeping relatively large amount of stock for the end days.Might sell it 6months from now or anytime the product has 1000% profit.
That's 180 days give or take : x^182=1000 x=1.039122
You made a little less than 4%/day on your investment on a day to day basis. Decent, but nothing too fancy.
I don't know about grozen, but I dropped about 50 bil into tyrannis related stuff. 1) good luck making 4% on 50 bil every day trading, 2) good luck making that kind of return on 50 bil with 5 minutes a day of checking prices (will be every 3-4 days once prices stabilize).
Grozen was talking about 3.3b if he cashed out now. I also believed he mentioned a 600% or something margin at this time. Means he invested less than 1B. I can solidly make 20% per day on that billion (and the profit) for a long time.
Can't do that with 50b, but we werent talking bout that!
Much less then 1b yea.Also that's one of the goods i have several which im deep a lot more heavier then 600k and some others in smaller quantities.Profit on the deep ones varies atm between 550%-850%..I'm far from 50b invested though knowledge is power |
TonyCandthejets
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Posted - 2010.06.26 18:25:00 -
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I dont understand any of this. I just know I have alot of construction blocks and I dont know if I should sell them.
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MMarlon
SRBI Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.26 19:09:00 -
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Long story short: A. If you have invested less than couple of billions and can safely dump on market for at least 3x-5x original value, dump it at once. Easy fast cash, thank you CCP.
B. But if youre 100B+ heavy and searching a way to do some % profit on that, I'm sure you know what to do.
sumary: A is 3x-5x profit, now B is for 10%-70%, long term
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RAW23
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Posted - 2010.06.26 19:12:00 -
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Edited by: RAW23 on 26/06/2010 19:12:47 So, it looks like 3-5 years worth of guidance systems were stockpiled. Does anyone think that CCP will respond to this with a nerf (such as replacing guidance system requirements with requirements for something else, rendering the stockpiles worth less, or even worthless) or a buff (increase usage of guidance systems to burn through the stocks faster) at some point in the next 6-10 major patches? Do any old hands know if there have been any analogous situations in the past and, if there have, how has CCP responded to them previously?
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Corcyrus Endymion
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Posted - 2010.06.26 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: MMarlon Long story short: A. If you have invested less than couple of billions and can safely dump on market for at least 3x-5x original value, dump it at once. Easy fast cash, thank you CCP.
B. But if youre 100B+ heavy and searching a way to do some % profit on that, I'm sure you know what to do.
sumary: A is 3x-5x profit, now B is for 10%-70%, long term
Why not simply sell it now, but do it gentle? Aka not dumping, but gradually releasing as to not splatter your cheeks?
That's what I do at least. In EvE and RL.
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MMarlon
SRBI Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.26 20:06:00 -
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It's all about profit/time. Can make million but in 200 years - not good business Can make 1.000/day, we are talking.
If I was billion NPC stock heavy, I'll dump now and go away to do some more fun, but in my friend case, I'm sure you'll see him for years here.
in short, have 5x profit, dump it, go away and never look back, and thank CCP for free ISK.
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Svarty II
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.26 23:08:00 -
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I find it interesting that there's lots of talk of underpriced goods and yet there's hardly any demand on the markets at all. You won't see any repricing until people either use up their own stockpiles or stop making the stuff they need in-corp.
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.26 23:11:00 -
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Originally by: Svarty II I find it interesting that there's lots of talk of underpriced goods and yet there's hardly any demand on the markets at all. You won't see any repricing until people either use up their own stockpiles or stop making the stuff they need in-corp.
You hit the nail on the head.
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.27 00:10:00 -
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Originally by: RAW23 Edited by: RAW23 on 26/06/2010 19:12:47 So, it looks like 3-5 years worth of guidance systems were stockpiled. Does anyone think that CCP will respond to this with a nerf (such as replacing guidance system requirements with requirements for something else, rendering the stockpiles worth less, or even worthless) or a buff (increase usage of guidance systems to burn through the stocks faster) at some point in the next 6-10 major patches? Do any old hands know if there have been any analogous situations in the past and, if there have, how has CCP responded to them previously?
if ccp understood the market well enough to do that they would have done a better job with pi
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Vilgan Mazran
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2010.06.27 02:08:00 -
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Originally by: Svarty II I find it interesting that there's lots of talk of underpriced goods and yet there's hardly any demand on the markets at all. You won't see any repricing until people either use up their own stockpiles or stop making the stuff they need in-corp.
Huh?
1) Reproc effects are still being felt. POS guns for example were made by the tens of thousands and so reproc produced ones will handle the demand there for a while.
2) No real desire to buy PI items that weren't npc stocked while the prices are likely to keep dropping. There's profit to be made, but a lot of people are hesitant to produce when a market is still pretty volatile.
Imo, what we'll see in the short term is almost all PI prices trending downwards for a while. Eventually, when its less volatile and more of the reproc created items are used up, consumption will kick in and then low prices (aka npc stocked) will rise while others will remain steady or might drop a bit. Eventually we'll end up with more semi consistent pricing. Maybe something like 200 for P1, 3200 for P2 (makeable on 1 planet), 3800 for the harder P2, and 20-40k for P3 (prices could be completely off).
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Zendoren
Aktaeon Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.27 03:13:00 -
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Originally by: Grozen .But soon enough at this rate having a pos will be luxury thing
Not likely, have you seen Iso prices.... =(
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Kalanar
Wrecking Shots Hostile Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.27 04:56:00 -
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Originally by: Weaselior
if ccp understood the market well enough to do that they would have done a better job with pi
Not saying it will happen, but look what happened when people bought up NPC sell orders before Tyrannis. They can recognize when they've ****ed something up (as they have done several times with PI) and will just blatantly fix it as they please.
Second, MMarlon - 1,000,000 / (200*365) > 1, so actually, 1 million in 200 years is better than 1 per day as far as isk/time goes.
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Xearal
Minmatar SOL Industries Kamikaze Project
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Posted - 2010.06.27 09:24:00 -
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I think a lot of people underestimated howmuch demand there is as well.. I invested quite a lot of cash ( percentage wise anyway ) into PI goods, planning to use them to process and make higher end goods and sell those at a higher profit, so far it's working nicely, though with my elite command center, and 20 advanced factories running, my supplies are running dry FAST... much faster than I had planned.. and the demand just keeps coming... I'm buying up those goods now at higher prices, and still making a good profit from it. Then again, when my new production line comes into it's own, cash will really start flowing in.
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MMarlon
SRBI Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.27 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: Kalanar
... Second, MMarlon - 1,000,000 / (200*365) > 1, so actually, 1 million in 200 years is better than 1 per day as far as isk/time goes.
Thank you dude, but I still think 1.000/day is better, both mathematical and present value wise.
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Grozen
Caldari Titan Core
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Posted - 2010.06.27 12:28:00 -
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By pulling market data from eve central it looks like the volume in buying in many goods is 2xbigger then the selling volume.
It doesn't look like elite cc will be able to help cope with the demand much, it looks like if many more people don't enter pi simply to dump it on the market(unlikely) we will see some interesting prices.
I think most of the people doing pi atm are doing it for their own needs. knowledge is power |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.06.27 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: Grozen By pulling market data from eve central it looks like the volume in buying in many goods is 2xbigger then the selling volume.
It doesn't look like elite cc will be able to help cope with the demand much, it looks like if many more people don't enter pi simply to dump it on the market(unlikely) we will see some interesting prices.
I think most of the people doing pi atm are doing it for their own needs.
I'd love this was true in the long term, it would mean EvE finally got an economy. Economy as in "demand <=> offer" and not offer =>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (demand =>) overflow into NPC insurance fraud. - Auditing & consulting
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Wyke Mossari
Gallente Staner Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.27 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: Vilgan Mazran
Imo, what we'll see in the short term is almost all PI prices trending downwards for a while.
Not ALL, not even most. The only PI items trending downwards are those from NPC stocks where there is over supply from stocks.
P1/P2/P3 items they've been trending upwards all week.
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Khun SP
Paramite Factories
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Posted - 2010.06.27 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: MMarlon Agreed. It is very early to speak about price increase on PI from NPC, large stockpiles, low demand and huge profits, so everybody just dump.
The price of most I expect to be as low as old NPC price +10-20%
However, this is the time to calc which one will vanish first, invest there, sell, next one and so on. POS fuel is my favourite, especially Mechanical Parts, but Robotics or Consumer Electronics would not touch with a 10f stick.
the old NPC prices were artificial... CCP established them, because "they wanted to".
now prices will work according to real supply and demand. Since PI production rate is very low, prices will remain high.
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Smuutti Alluciam
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Posted - 2010.06.27 17:55:00 -
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Not many or none of the people who have been posting to this topic have tried actually manufacturing the high tech commodities on planets. There is no way to produce a high tech item for 100,000 ISK like they are still being sold in Jita. The export fee of the item from the planet it was manufactured on is 50,000 ISK. Then you need at least 198,000 units of raw materials of which some have to be imported from other planets and there will also bee export/import fees on them.
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Grozen
Caldari Titan Core
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Posted - 2010.06.27 17:55:00 -
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I managed to alert some people to put sell orders to make a "profit" early on thx to this topic, however there's still not enough pressure on enriched uranium..what gives?Nobody stocked it? Doesn't seem too hard to make too.A large pos requires 2.8k of it per month if i recall. knowledge is power |
Svarty II
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.27 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: Khun SP
the old NPC prices were artificial... CCP established them, because "they wanted to".
now prices will work according to real supply and demand. Since PI production rate is very low, prices will remain high.
The extraction rates and processing conversion amounts are arbitrarily set, though, in the same way the old prices were.
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Alain Kinsella
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.27 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Wyke Mossari
Not ALL, not even most. The only PI items trending downwards are those from NPC stocks where there is over supply from stocks.
P1/P2/P3 items they've been trending upwards all week.
Would be happy if this is the long-term trend (i.e. higher than original cost).
Originally by: Svarty II
The extraction rates and processing conversion amounts are arbitrarily set, though, in the same way the old prices were.
For now. Depletion has not been enabled yet. Though if prices continue up, they may need to make other changes (preferably to the interface, so that more people can participate without hurting themselves).
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Vilgan Mazran
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2010.06.27 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Grozen however there's still not enough pressure on enriched uranium..what gives?Nobody stocked it? Doesn't seem too hard to make too.A large pos requires 2.8k of it per month if i recall.
I sure as hell didn't buy up large amounts of it ;P Same difficulty to make as silicate glass and silicate glass was 220ish from NPC as opposed to 6k for Enr Uranium.
I bought enough for 6 months for all my towers, and assumed that it would be back to NPC price or lower at that point. I doubt many (any?) stockpiled large amounts of EU, so the price you see from it is more quickly going to real supply/demand levels instead of getting artificially kept low like all NPC sold items.
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Darthion Illys
Amarr Tyrans d'Or Umbrella Chemical Inc
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Posted - 2010.06.27 19:29:00 -
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Uhm... why would CCP want to implement changes that would push down the PI prices?
Even with Akita T's quite high estimates on likely PI prices, you're still looking at a ridiculously crappy (although passive, but still) income.
PI obviously isn't attractive enough for people to do it with the current profit rates. Prices will, by all certainties, go up before we see it balance out in regards to supply-demand.
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2010.06.28 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: Alain Kinsella
For now. Depletion has not been enabled yet. Though if prices continue up, they may need to make other changes (preferably to the interface, so that more people can participate without hurting themselves).
Odd, because my extractors seems to slowly decrease the amount of materials they can retrieve within a five hours working plan (I have been paying attention). I would have written that down as due to depletion.
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Ratchman
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Posted - 2010.06.28 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: Grozen Edited by: Grozen on 25/06/2010 18:48:52 I'm wondering because the item in question doesn't have million amounts sell orders and it looks like its not getting replenished at all.I've been watching it and everyday the amounts are depleted but not replenished at the same speed.So my greedy side is thinking i could make 30b instead of 3 if i wait few weeks
Whereas this is entirely possible, Grozen, there are many tales of traders who squandered billions in real-life because they got greedy. The zenith of trading is knowing exactly the right time to sell. Never hang on to anything for too long.
Personally, I would sell that stockpile right now. You might miss out on further profit, but it appears that you are going to make a nice little bundle out of it anyway, so I wouldn't be too disheartened if it did continue to go up.
Remember, there are people out there like me who are quietly manufacturing and have yet to put their stash up for sale yet. People weren't just going to sell everything immediately.
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