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beautyispain
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Posted - 2010.06.27 18:35:00 -
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I wonder how many traders it took to buy up all the market at already double prices from before patch and place back on the market at double that (2500). Something tells me rocket fuel will go even higher as it takes forever to produce and production output is in no relation to the amount needed for missile production. E.g. it would take a single PI setup 10 days to produce enough rocket fuel for a 10 run scourge fury heavy missile!
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Kudlow N'cramer
World Eaters Excavation
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Posted - 2010.06.27 19:59:00 -
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Why does it take forever to produce? We still have a huge stockpile as everything it makes we also pre-bought and haven't run out. However, I have no issues getting the P1 material it takes to make it. Maybe I'll put aside some production to make it if it's that sought after.
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Victor Maximus
Aeon Of Strife Discord.
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Posted - 2010.06.27 21:51:00 -
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Its certainly going to climb higher. Just taking a look at the Amarr market rocket fuel is averaging around 5k, however the value of the components needed to make rocket fuel through PI come out to be a bit over 9k.
The stockpiles are quite possibly keeping the price lower than it should be. Aeon of Strife |
Salarc
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2010.06.27 22:30:00 -
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Well I am attempting to fix the Jita price :p.
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Gabriel Rosencrantz
Red Frog Investments
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Posted - 2010.06.27 22:58:00 -
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Rocket Fuel! Daaaamn! |
Grozen
Caldari Titan Core
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Posted - 2010.06.27 23:01:00 -
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Edited by: Grozen on 27/06/2010 23:03:04
Originally by: Victor Maximus Its certainly going to climb higher. Just taking a look at the Amarr market rocket fuel is averaging around 5k, however the value of the components needed to make rocket fuel through PI come out to be a bit over 9k.
The stockpiles are quite possibly keeping the price lower than it should be.
Bingo.Most people don't seem to get it but things as they are atm will not remain much longer.It has already been voiced that the present supplies are not as big as people thought they are.Sure give it 3-4-5months but it will be gone.Many npc goods are not stockpiled for years.When all that happens the price will climb to its production value or higher.People are too afraid to jump the gun now and later on...there will alot of: " omg dude i missed a gold mine faak my life emo suicide" knowledge is power |
Cergorach
Amarr The Helix Foundation
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Posted - 2010.06.27 23:15:00 -
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Also keep in mind that a lot of folks don't have billions lying around, we put them to use and long term investments aren't our cup of tea. I was lucky enough to buy around 700k worth of fuel at the last moment with a little bit of 'spare' cash @~750isk a piece. I haven't sold it yet in Jita because it's a bit bulky to mover around. If your wondering what 100k fuel @15k isk is doing in Metropolis, that's mine ;-) I wonder when it will sell...
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Salarc
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2010.06.27 23:28:00 -
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I have about 10bil invested in PI mats currently.
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Bobmaster206
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Posted - 2010.06.28 01:27:00 -
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And you all know what increasing the cost of rocket fuel will do right? Increase T2 Missle prices!!! Drake/Tengu not so good now!
so... Most used ammo type in PvE price going up means less profit from bounties and less money for PvPers to burn, so possibly less PvP, Big panic ensues as nobody can buy ammo, and then the market balances and everybody forgets about this post...
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beautyispain
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Posted - 2010.06.28 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: Cergorach If your wondering what 100k fuel @15k isk is doing in Metropolis, that's mine ;-) I wonder when it will sell...
So you're the one! :) I was wondering who the hell was so optimistic, I was so wrong ... :)
Originally by: Bobmaster206 And you all know what increasing the cost of rocket fuel will do right? Increase T2 Missle prices!!! Drake/Tengu not so good now!
so... Most used ammo type in PvE price going up means less profit from bounties and less money for PvPers to burn, so possibly less PvP, Big panic ensues as nobody can buy ammo, and then the market balances and everybody forgets about this post...
Correct, T2 missile prices will skyrocket as rocketfuel is the most largest cost factor
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Scout Ops
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.28 11:56:00 -
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Buy it all... a fair price according to my calculations is 15k isk per unit.
Unless CCP tweeks PI production rate and nerfs it back.
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beautyispain
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Posted - 2010.06.28 12:03:00 -
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If rocket fuel reaches 15k/unit then to reach previous margins, producers will need to raise missile prices by 4x !! I am predicting at least doubling of T2 missile prices in the coming weeks and up to 4x next month. Producers would have to cut their margins considerably for the price to stay.
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Eastern Promise
Gunboat Commerce
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Posted - 2010.06.28 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: beautyispain If rocket fuel reaches 15k/unit then to reach previous margins, producers will need to raise missile prices by 4x !! I am predicting at least doubling of T2 missile prices in the coming weeks and up to 4x next month. Producers would have to cut their margins considerably for the price to stay.
Pump and dump?
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Khun SP
Paramite Factories
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Posted - 2010.06.28 12:11:00 -
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According to this sheet, rocket fuel costs about 2000isk per unit to produce
Linkage
someone is doing insane isk on this macromanipulation
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Ratchman
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Posted - 2010.06.28 12:32:00 -
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This topic will kep reappearing, but the market will sort itself out in the long run. Stockpiles run out, and many people will jump into the production of it, drooling over those big profit margins that will suddenly vanish when everyone else follows.
Money-making opportunities are bandwagons, and people do jump on them. Eventually, this will force down the price but, for the meantime, some people will get very rich from it.
Entrepeneurs usually prosper because they identify a gap in the market and exploit it. This is high-risk, but it can pay off massively. The majority tend to play it safer, which means they hop on the bandwagon, which means lower profits (but less chance of failure). The truly stupid don't identify when the money pool has all dried up. Of course, once it becomes deeply unprofitable, people stop doing it, and it gets more expensive again.
If you desperately need the materials in the short term, you are going to have to either shell out, adapt to using something else, or start manufacturing the resource yourself. Those people who are so desperate as to pay double the rate, well you're exactly the kind of people that these speculators prey on. If you held off, you could force the price down, but that depends on other people not being more desperate than you.
Nature may be red in tooth and claw, but so is capitalism.
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beautyispain
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Posted - 2010.06.28 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ratchman This topic will kep reappearing, but the market will sort itself out in the long run. Stockpiles run out, and many people will jump into the production of it, drooling over those big profit margins that will suddenly vanish when everyone else follows.
Money-making opportunities are bandwagons, and people do jump on them. Eventually, this will force down the price but, for the meantime, some people will get very rich from it.
Entrepeneurs usually prosper because they identify a gap in the market and exploit it. This is high-risk, but it can pay off massively. The majority tend to play it safer, which means they hop on the bandwagon, which means lower profits (but less chance of failure). The truly stupid don't identify when the money pool has all dried up. Of course, once it becomes deeply unprofitable, people stop doing it, and it gets more expensive again.
If you desperately need the materials in the short term, you are going to have to either shell out, adapt to using something else, or start manufacturing the resource yourself. Those people who are so desperate as to pay double the rate, well you're exactly the kind of people that these speculators prey on. If you held off, you could force the price down, but that depends on other people not being more desperate than you.
Nature may be red in tooth and claw, but so is capitalism.
I think this post pretty much sums up why I love eve and it's player base... It's pretty obvious, at least in the market and science forum, there are plenty of well educated people playing this game
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beautyispain
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Posted - 2010.06.28 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Khun SP According to this sheet, rocket fuel costs about 2000isk per unit to produce
Linkage
someone is doing insane isk on this macromanipulation
You see, the problem isn't how much it costs, it's how little supply there is of it, e.g. it would take me about 65 PI installations to be self sufficient in rocket fuel for my production
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Droxlyn
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.06.28 19:08:00 -
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Edited by: Droxlyn on 28/06/2010 19:07:57 If you pretend all p0 (raw) materals are 5 isk each, Rocket Fuel comes out to 12k/each. The prices are trending that way in my eyes.
I prefer my chart: https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Av49RIDL-V7zdFN0NTZtcjdBMHRxZC1pbUdpVEJsNmc&hl=en
The yellow boxes are where I enter the market prices.
Drox
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Grozen
Caldari Titan Core
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Posted - 2010.06.28 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: Droxlyn Edited by: Droxlyn on 28/06/2010 19:07:57 If you pretend all p0 (raw) materals are 5 isk each, Rocket Fuel comes out to 12k/each. The prices are trending that way in my eyes.
I prefer my chart: https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Av49RIDL-V7zdFN0NTZtcjdBMHRxZC1pbUdpVEJsNmc&hl=en
The yellow boxes are where I enter the market prices.
Drox
so basically anything for rfuel under 10k is steal?Guidance systems 45k each?Damn if that comes true then knowledge is power |
RAW23
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Posted - 2010.06.28 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: Grozen
Originally by: Droxlyn Edited by: Droxlyn on 28/06/2010 19:07:57 If you pretend all p0 (raw) materals are 5 isk each, Rocket Fuel comes out to 12k/each. The prices are trending that way in my eyes.
I prefer my chart: https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Av49RIDL-V7zdFN0NTZtcjdBMHRxZC1pbUdpVEJsNmc&hl=en
The yellow boxes are where I enter the market prices.
Drox
so basically anything for rfuel under 10k is steal?Guidance systems 45k each?Damn if that comes true then
C. 220 million units (very very rough count) of guidance systems purchased from npc orders in the Forge alone before they disappeared. Pre-patch usage c. 250k units per day. I haven't been following changes on this front but unless there have been blueprint changes increasing the required amounts of guidance systems, this one is going to be a long time in reaching its build cost unless new waves of speculators keep buying up the stuff as it comes onto the market under build cost.
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Reetoc Kraace
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Posted - 2010.06.29 07:39:00 -
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Edited by: Reetoc Kraace on 29/06/2010 07:39:36
Originally by: Droxlyn If you pretend all p0 (raw) materals are 5 isk each, large control towers cost 2 billion each.
Fixed that for you. That price is doing the same thing as you did - assigning a single value to all products in any given tier.
R0 is worth no more than 0.000083 isk / unit.
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Grozen
Caldari Titan Core
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Posted - 2010.06.29 09:28:00 -
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Edited by: Grozen on 29/06/2010 09:29:27
Originally by: RAW23 Edited by: RAW23 on 28/06/2010 21:42:58
Originally by: Grozen
Originally by: Droxlyn Edited by: Droxlyn on 28/06/2010 19:07:57 If you pretend all p0 (raw) materals are 5 isk each, Rocket Fuel comes out to 12k/each. The prices are trending that way in my eyes.
I prefer my chart: https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Av49RIDL-V7zdFN0NTZtcjdBMHRxZC1pbUdpVEJsNmc&hl=en
The yellow boxes are where I enter the market prices.
Drox
so basically anything for rfuel under 10k is steal?Guidance systems 45k each?Damn if that comes true then
C. 220 million units (very very rough count) of guidance systems purchased from npc orders in the Forge alone before they disappeared. Pre-patch usage c. 350k units per day. I haven't been following changes on this front but unless there have been blueprint changes increasing the required amounts of guidance systems, this one is going to be a long time in reaching its build cost unless new waves of speculators keep buying up the stuff as it comes onto the market under build cost.
Did some scouting in the other regions and i don't see large amounts of anything npc being sold out.Let me clear this for you: Jita is the only region with suitable amounts of npc goods for sale.Also the amount of usage in npc goods should be counted in all regions which then comes very close to 1.5m usage in npc stuff per day.Divide 220m/that and in 3 months you will see some funny stuff knowledge is power |
Jack Icegaard
The Omega Project
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Posted - 2010.06.29 10:00:00 -
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Edited by: Jack Icegaard on 29/06/2010 10:04:06
Originally by: beautyispain If rocket fuel reaches 15k/unit then to reach previous margins, producers will need to raise missile prices by 4x !! I am predicting at least doubling of T2 missile prices in the coming weeks and up to 4x next month. Producers would have to cut their margins considerably for the price to stay.
Let me see.. the T2 HAM BPC I'm looking at (ME -4) needs 12 units of Rocket fuel for every batch of 5k missiles. Thats a whooping 0.0024 Rocket fuel for every missile. Lets say that the price of Rocket fuel increase with 15k isk from the NPC price before PI. So one T2 HAM will cost 15000*0.0024 = 36 isk more to produce.
That should result in an increase of missile prices with about 10-20%. Of course, it may be different for other T2 missiles like Heavy Missiles, I haven't checked. But I do think you are very much overestimating the effect rocket fuel prices will have on T2 missile prices.
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Grozen
Caldari Titan Core
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Posted - 2010.06.29 10:11:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Icegaard Edited by: Jack Icegaard on 29/06/2010 10:04:06
Originally by: beautyispain If rocket fuel reaches 15k/unit then to reach previous margins, producers will need to raise missile prices by 4x !! I am predicting at least doubling of T2 missile prices in the coming weeks and up to 4x next month. Producers would have to cut their margins considerably for the price to stay.
Let me see.. the T2 HAM BPC I'm looking at (ME -4) needs 12 units of Rocket fuel for every batch of 5k missiles. Thats a whooping 0.0024 Rocket fuel for every missile. Lets say that the price of Rocket fuel increase with 15k isk from the NPC price before PI. So one T2 HAM will cost 15000*0.0024 = 36 isk more to produce.
That should result in an increase of missile prices with about 10-20%. Of course, it may be different for other T2 missiles like Heavy Missiles, I haven't checked. But I do think you are very much overestimating the effect rocket fuel prices will have on T2 missile prices.
Rocket fuel is also used in the production of camera drones.So theres your other demand did you really think it would cost only as much as the production value?Most producers won't sell unless they are making least 20% profit. knowledge is power |
Jack Icegaard
The Omega Project
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Posted - 2010.06.29 10:28:00 -
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Edited by: Jack Icegaard on 29/06/2010 10:33:10
Originally by: Grozen
Rocket fuel is also used in the production of camera drones.So theres your other demand did you really think it would cost only as much as the production value?Most producers won't sell unless they are making least 20% profit.
Sorry, I don't think you understand my post. Im calculating the cost increase for producing T2 HAMs if rocket fuel price increases with 15k isk per unit compared to the old NPC price. Today you can buy rocket fuel for 2-3k isk per unit. Before PI, NPC prices for rocket fuel were somewhere around 600 isk/unit IIRC. In short, how much more will it cost to produce a T2 HAMs if rocket fuel prices increases ~26 times from old NPC price.
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Grozen
Caldari Titan Core
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Posted - 2010.06.29 10:38:00 -
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Gotcha but that's the main point rf is probably going to increase by the amount you specified.Also nobody can tell for sure before the artificial supply runs out. knowledge is power |
RAW23
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Posted - 2010.06.29 10:51:00 -
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Edited by: RAW23 on 29/06/2010 10:52:26
Originally by: Grozen
Did some scouting in the other regions and i don't see large amounts of anything npc being sold out.Let me clear this for you: Jita is the only region with suitable amounts of npc goods for sale.Also the amount of usage in npc goods should be counted in all regions which then comes very close to 1.5m usage in npc stuff per day.Divide 220m/that and in 3 months you will see some funny stuff
My lolnalysis was based on the clearly mistaken premise that a large majority of people would be buying in Jita. Which, of course, needn't be the case for historical usage of npc goods.
Well spotted. You passed the test. Yes ... erm ... it was a test. Honest.
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Kithran
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Posted - 2010.06.29 11:15:00 -
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Another point - how much of the sales/purchases of npc goods were people buying from npc a, transporting to another station and selling to npc b? This would decrease the useage per day.
Kithran
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Grozen
Caldari Titan Core
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Posted - 2010.06.29 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: Kithran Another point - how much of the sales/purchases of npc goods were people buying from npc a, transporting to another station and selling to npc b? This would decrease the useage per day.
Kithran
Doubt it had any impact before, there were much better things to trade besides rf. knowledge is power |
Droxlyn
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.06.29 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: Reetoc Kraace Edited by: Reetoc Kraace on 29/06/2010 07:39:36
Originally by: Droxlyn If you pretend all p0 (raw) materals are 5 isk each, large control towers cost 2 billion each.
Fixed that for you. That price is doing the same thing as you did - assigning a single value to all products in any given tier.
R0 is worth no more than 0.000083 isk / unit.
Hmm, I added to the chart the Amarr Large Tower and I got a 377,580,000.00 ISK price at 5 isk each. Or are you talking about a fully decked out tower and modules?
Trying the current market values of p4s, they're at 359,711,542.50 ISK. Your value made P1 products worth an isk each and had horribly low prices. If that becomes the price of these things, there will be a monumental shortage pretty quickly.
Drox
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2010.06.29 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Gabriel Rosencrantz Rocket Fuel! Daaaamn!
I think this properly explains the current situation. (Score: 9/10 for the Phil Hartman.)
Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves; Aptitude and intellect are needless here; 'Tis impudence and money that grants fame. |
Julian Koll
The Kollektive
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Posted - 2010.06.29 14:11:00 -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HtY58Rn5A0
apparently there are way easier ways to make rocket fuel, so i predict the price in now way being influenced by pi at all.
Also looks like a lot more fun.
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beautyispain
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Posted - 2010.06.29 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Icegaard Edited by: Jack Icegaard on 29/06/2010 10:33:10
Originally by: Grozen
Rocket fuel is also used in the production of camera drones.So theres your other demand did you really think it would cost only as much as the production value?Most producers won't sell unless they are making least 20% profit.
Sorry, I don't think you understand my post. Im calculating the cost increase for producing T2 HAMs if rocket fuel price increases with 15k isk per unit compared to the old NPC price. Today you can buy rocket fuel for 2-3k isk per unit. Before PI, NPC prices for rocket fuel were somewhere around 600 isk/unit IIRC. In short, how much more will it cost to produce a T2 HAMs if rocket fuel prices increases ~26 times from old NPC price.
due to the short range of HAMs they have very low amounts of rocket fuel, my assumption applies to the rest of the missiles, e.g. T2 HMs have over 10x the amount of rocket fuel per unit. Current prices make rocket fuel a 50% factor in production costs for HMs
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Cista2
Hydra Investment Fund
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Posted - 2010.06.29 17:25:00 -
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There you go, Rocket Fuel just officially spiked.
Feel free to try unloading my buy order is up at 2150 isk. ----------------------- Join "Signatures" channel - the chatroom for traders |
Khun SP
Paramite Factories
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Posted - 2010.06.29 17:31:00 -
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T2 HM producer here...
Now expect Heavy Fury missiles to cost 600isk/unit from now on. Times of 300ish have come to an end.
Thanks for your understanding and happy combats.
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Barbicane
TGUN Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.29 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: Khun SP T2 HM producer here...
Now expect Heavy Fury missiles to cost 600isk/unit from now on. Times of 300ish have come to an end.
Thanks for your understanding and happy combats.
The problem from the t2 producer's point of view is that competition from LP store faction missiles will become tougher when the price difference between the two decreases. I'm glad I just managed to sell most of my t2 missile bpos, though I'll admit the timing was more due to chance than good business sense ;)
Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if rocket fuel sells for below the old NPC price of ~600 isk in 6 months from now.
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rootimus maximus
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2010.06.30 10:38:00 -
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Edited by: rootimus maximus on 30/06/2010 10:38:53
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Tamarana
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Posted - 2010.06.30 11:15:00 -
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My opinion is that people stockpiled in a very unequal way. So too much Robotics, Moon Harvesters, but not enough Enriched Uranium, Silo, and so on.
In particular, Moon Harvesters are sold at 8-13 millions where it cost 25 M to build one. I see that someone bought 2.0000 Moon Harvester in Jita (and 1.000s in other regions) in a single day, 20 day before Tyrannis. There is a very large sell order 700+ in Jita at 14 M. This act like a dam to people in need to sell their Harvesters fast and keep the price down, for now.
This, probably, is what is happening for other goods.
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Vilgan Mazran
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2010.06.30 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Barbicane
Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if rocket fuel sells for below the old NPC price of ~600 isk in 6 months from now.
I love how people keep making statements like the above one without actually looking at the math of how PI works. Have you actually looked at the work involved in making rocket fuel? No, didn't think so. Perhaps you should join the ebank board, given the inability to actually examine the profit involved if they DID drop to 600/unit.
600/unit would generate a whopping profit of 30 mil/month in 0.0. Who the hell is going to go through the hassle of starting extractors every 24 hours for 30 mil? Macros certainly aren't (even if they make double that), since a mining macro makes that in a day and a ratting macro makes that in 1-2 hours. And that's considered "bad" income. I make that in about 10 minutes in w-space.
600/unit for a P2 would also result in a cost of ~30 mil per control tower before construction parts (so 62/tower), so its unlikely that CCP is going to adjust PI to produce prices like that. The reality is, 600 was the OLD price and is now completely irrelevant to any future discussion.
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Barbicane
TGUN Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.30 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: Vilgan Mazran
Originally by: Barbicane
Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if rocket fuel sells for below the old NPC price of ~600 isk in 6 months from now.
...Who the hell is going to go through the hassle of starting extractors every 24 hours for 30 mil?...
Not you apparently, and me neither (since I find PI repetitive and boring), but most people simply won't bother with all those calculations. We've seen it before with invention, and invention has a much higher entry threshold than PI.
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Tamarana
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Posted - 2010.06.30 16:11:00 -
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Invention have the added bonus to be a chance game. People like the adrenalin rush when they deliver the invention and look to see if they have succeeded or not. PI is simply repetitive and man power intensive.
My suggestion is to move the interface of PI so people can see the space where they are and restart the extractors in the same time.
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Droxlyn
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.06.30 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: rootimus maximus Edited by: rootimus maximus on 30/06/2010 10:51:09
Originally by: Droxlyn Hmm, I added to the chart the Amarr Large Tower and I got a 377,580,000.00 ISK price at 5 isk each. Or are you talking about a fully decked out tower and modules?
I'm just talking about a large control tower.
If R0 is worth 0.000083 / unit, then P4 is worth 2,222,222 / unit. If we count capital construction parts as regular P4 (we're talking 8 units so it's not affecting the end price by much) then 180 parts * 2,222,222 / unit = 399,999,960 to buy the parts for a large tower. Plus build costs, plus any profit you want to make on it.
I'll leave you to do the math if we increase R0 to 5 isk / unit, but I'm starting to suspect my earlier math was wrong, and not in a good way. Even doubling the R0 price to 0.000166 means parts for a tower cost 800 million.
Your math is in absolute failure mode. I HAVE done the math at 5 isk/unit for p0. Go look!. Hint: line 97 column L.
Drox
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Milla Jovobitch
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Posted - 2010.06.30 21:15:00 -
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The issue is: As rocket fuel will not be available to the same extent as before, soon(tm) the market of rocket fuel based stuff, e.g., missiles, will turn from buyer's market to seller's market. Your T2 furies will cost much more.
If you were wise, you'd stockpile on your T2 missiles right now.
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Vilgan Mazran
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2010.07.01 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Barbicane Not you apparently, and me neither (since I find PI repetitive and boring), but most people simply won't bother with all those calculations. We've seen it before with invention, and invention has a much higher entry threshold than PI.
Invention is also 600-900 mil/month for not much work. Can get higher, but that's the baseline "any idiot can make this much" amount.
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Cergorach
Amarr The Helix Foundation
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Posted - 2010.07.01 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: Vilgan Mazran
Originally by: Barbicane Not you apparently, and me neither (since I find PI repetitive and boring), but most people simply won't bother with all those calculations. We've seen it before with invention, and invention has a much higher entry threshold than PI.
Invention is also 600-900 mil/month for not much work. Can get higher, but that's the baseline "any idiot can make this much" amount.
How much isk do you require to make that amount of profit? A lot more then you need for PI. Also for good invention you need a whole lot more skills then for good PI.
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Khun SP
Paramite Factories
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Posted - 2010.07.09 21:36:00 -
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Originally by: Milla Jovo***** The issue is: As rocket fuel will not be available to the same extent as before, soon(tm) the market of rocket fuel based stuff, e.g., missiles, will turn from buyer's market to seller's market. Your T2 furies will cost much more.
If you were wise, you'd stockpile on your T2 missiles right now.
Yeah this. Unfortunately rocket fuel is tough to produce, im doing 1200 units/day but I need 1750 to mantain my manufacture needs, so... LOL. Stockpiles will keep draining.
Jita price = 5,700isk and growing, but more slowly.
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Khun SP
Paramite Factories
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Posted - 2010.08.16 18:18:00 -
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8,800isk and still climbing
the lulz.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.08.17 05:01:00 -
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Originally by: Khun SP 8,800isk and still climbing
Actually it's falling... Which is kinda weird cause it's still below production cost and there's at least two T2 missile types that have no stock left for sale in Jita.
I guess missile producers for some reason just refuse to buy at that price.
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Julian Koll
The Kollektive
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Posted - 2010.08.17 11:28:00 -
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Missile producers refuse to buy at the price since missiles are being sold at almost break even at the moment. When missile stocks run dry and prices climb, rocket fuel demand will increase again
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Posted - 2010.08.17 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: Julian Koll Missile producers refuse to buy at the price since missiles are being sold at almost break even at the moment. When missile stocks run dry and prices climb, rocket fuel demand will increase again
Exactly! this is ****ed up. Problem is, this isn't about stocks running dry since the daily volume is so high that the stocks are being constantly replenished. I just think we have that many ignorant producers not doing their math. Either that or the major producers have huge stocks of rocket fuel and don't bother with participating in 0.01 stationtrading.
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