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Uzrial
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Posted - 2010.06.27 21:43:00 -
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Edited by: Uzrial on 27/06/2010 21:46:40 While I was hull repping my Megathron outside a station, a Navy mega happened to dock, and thats when I has a thought. I don't find the current skin very tasteful, altho nor did I enjoy the original. I have noticed in many posts, people complaining that it was unrealistic, which is true in many respects, yet camo I think is still an interesting idea, except that CCP went about it in the wrong way. Camo has been used by wet navies since at least before WWI. Generally such patterns would be to confuse gunners of surface ships, and submarines. THe patterns dont hide the ship, instead it confuses the eye as to what part of a ship is where.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:USS_Duluth_(CL-87).jpg
So perhaps a more functional/realistic pattern can be applied
Just my thoughts on the matter, and I know this has been talked about to the point of death.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.06.27 22:02:00 -
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The paint job is just there to look good. In a world where sensors do all the shooting, it matters fsck-all what the ship looks like on the surface because you wouldn't see it even if it was bright pink/green polka-dot, and the sensors would see it even if it was sporting some snazzy starfield-camo.
So the only strange part of the FedNavy pattern is why they have shades of green as their traditional pattern coloursą but maybe they cut their teeth in the swamps of pre-spaceflight Gallente Prime and it's been inherited from there. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Duchess Starbuckington
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Posted - 2010.06.27 22:47:00 -
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Quote: The paint job is just there to look good. In a world where sensors do all the shooting, it matters fsck-all what the ship looks like on the surface because you wouldn't see it even if it was bright pink/green polka-dot, and the sensors would see it even if it was sporting some snazzy starfield-camo.
You are the first person I've seen who realises this. _________________________________
Originally by: Dodgy Past Can't see the Caldari approving of free love though.
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Nicholas Barker
Black Nova Corp IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.27 23:11:00 -
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Kaalakiota got it right, cool black with red racing stripes :D
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Shereza
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Posted - 2010.06.27 23:20:00 -
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Red Moon Rising
The megathron looked awful, like some rich old woman got full body plastic surgery but either forgot to or ran out of money before she could have her ass touched up so she's walking around in a 30 year old's body with a 60 year old's ass hanging out. The navy megathron, on the other hand, looked much better. Dark, new, and nifty. Worth the extra price to fly just because it wouldn't embarass you.
Trinity
The megathron got a makeover and it looked good. Admittedly the hyperion, to quote Bruce Campbell, "got ugly real fast," but the megathron now looks much better. The navy megathron got a boost too and now looked better than ever. Sexy shiny black.
Camo-patch
The megathron remained the same, grey and blue and better than it used to be but still not one of the better skins. Of course now the navy megathron got a severe nerf simply by being dumped into the borderline ugly category.
Any rate, things tend to go full circle in EVE. First the navy megathron was great to fly and the megathron was ugly, and now it's the opposite. If I hadn't bought a navy megathron back when they looked good I'd be flying a regular megathron instead.
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The'Best Hellfury
Incura
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Posted - 2010.06.28 00:13:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia The paint job is just there to look good.
And how's that working out?
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Pr1ncess Alia
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Posted - 2010.06.28 01:52:00 -
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The only ship that ever looked good in camo was the Gila
but now it has crap camo instead of the awsome older style.
the navy mega looks like crap
while i'm ranting, give me back the cool sails on the fleet tempest! the new ones just don't look as good and while your at it, give me my mid slot back dammit!!!
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Dorian Wylde
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Posted - 2010.06.28 02:29:00 -
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Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington
Quote: The paint job is just there to look good. In a world where sensors do all the shooting, it matters fsck-all what the ship looks like on the surface because you wouldn't see it even if it was bright pink/green polka-dot, and the sensors would see it even if it was sporting some snazzy starfield-camo.
You are the first person I've seen who realises this.
Dozens of us said it when the model was changed.
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2010.06.28 03:15:00 -
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Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia The only ship that ever looked good in camo was the Gila
My new style Worm would like a word with you.
It would also like a bit of a buff so you can't huff and puff and blow it to bits. Just in case.
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tiviirulez
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Posted - 2010.06.28 08:38:00 -
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Edited by: tiviirulez on 28/06/2010 08:40:04
Originally by: Tippia The paint job is just there to look good. In a world where sensors do all the shooting, it matters fsck-all what the ship looks like on the surface because you wouldn't see it even if it was bright pink/green polka-dot, and the sensors would see it even if it was sporting some snazzy starfield-camo.
What a nonsense. At least the RADAR(IR)/LADAR-type sensors use electromagnetic waves and therefore of course are influenced by the coating of the target. Also visibility can always play a role in combat situations e.g. while docked or on planetary surface. Op makes sense.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2010.06.28 08:42:00 -
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The coating of your ship's hull means near squat when you have a EM shield on top of it. Try to cover that up.
Right. You use cloaking tech then that uses the shield to cover itself and everything inside it. -------- All I want is a better mankind.
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Gordin Brott
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.28 08:50:00 -
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Dazzle Camouflage
I think this is what you mean. I would love to have an Apocalypse with one of these paintjobs.
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tiviirulez
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Posted - 2010.06.28 09:09:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar The coating of your ship's hull means near squat when you have a EM shield on top of it. Try to cover that up.
Let's not escalate this too much (0% base resist. Why is thermal damage not considered EM? How would a shielding mechanism based on fields work in the first place? Why is the hull still visible when it is active?). Let us say your shields can fail or get dropped. Got it covered.
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Mal Lokrano
Gallente The Executives IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.28 09:22:00 -
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Originally by: Uzrial Edited by: Uzrial on 27/06/2010 21:46:40 While I was hull repping my Megathron outside a station, a Navy mega happened to dock, and thats when I has a thought. I don't find the current skin very tasteful, altho nor did I enjoy the original. I have noticed in many posts, people complaining that it was unrealistic, which is true in many respects, yet camo I think is still an interesting idea, except that CCP went about it in the wrong way. Camo has been used by wet navies since at least before WWI. Generally such patterns would be to confuse gunners of surface ships, and submarines. THe patterns dont hide the ship, instead it confuses the eye as to what part of a ship is where.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:USS_Duluth_(CL-87).jpg
So perhaps a more functional/realistic pattern can be applied
Just my thoughts on the matter, and I know this has been talked about to the point of death.
Your argument sounds good, until you realize that even today the effectiveness of dazzle camouflage is still debated. Why do you think no navy is dumb enough to use it now? Its cause we don't use optical range finders anymore to shoot ships most of it is either radar controlled or even more sophisticated.
Heck they used less of the camo in WW2 and stopped using it afterward for the most part. It was only really used before the advent of newer techniques to track targets and to shoot them. I.e. radar etc.
Now look in Eve 20 thousand years in the future. Saying that dazzle camouflage would work, means ew isn't actually electronic, its knocking out the other ships optical range finders for 30 seconds until they can insert a new lens.
Your idea is commendable, but unfortunently camo in space is just a scenery taste and has no practical use whatsoever in a tactical sense. Unless all the sudden CCP starts growing jungles in space then the Amarr, Caldari, and Minmatar are all screwed .
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Kendon Riddick
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Posted - 2010.06.28 09:56:00 -
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Originally by: Mal Lokrano
Your argument sounds good, until you realize that even today the effectiveness of dazzle camouflage is still debated. Why do you think no navy is dumb enough to use it now? Its cause we don't use optical range finders anymore to shoot ships most of it is either radar controlled or even more sophisticated.
The advanced races of new eden perfected missile guidence to the piont where artifially created but no less complex brains, were 'grown' for the guidence systems. These intelligent missiles would surly be the end of all mistakes made by the inferior mechanic and electronic guidance of the past.
The new systems were not without flaws, the missiles seemingly 'uncontrolled' at times would fly into shapes in space that resembled human female breasts, or chunks of asteroids that may at the right angle look like cake.
At this piont the races decided to make ships look as little like breasts or cakes as possible, employing camouflage techniques seen 20 thousand years before during the first of earths world wars.
see?
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tiviirulez
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Posted - 2010.06.28 10:51:00 -
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Originally by: Kendon riddick At this piont the races decided to make ships look as little like breasts or cakes as possible, employing camouflage techniques seen 20 thousand years before during the first of earths world wars.
see?
Affirmative. Except the "look less like breasts"-part.
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Flitz Farseeker
Farseeker Entertprises
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Posted - 2010.06.28 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Gordin Brott Dazzle Camouflage
I think this is what you mean. I would love to have an Apocalypse with one of these paintjobs.
I for one would be happy if the gall navy ships got redone with something like this. -SIG-
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Cyrus Doul
Cosmic Vacum Cleaners
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Posted - 2010.06.28 18:04:00 -
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Edited by: Cyrus Doul on 28/06/2010 18:04:35 The navy mega now looks like master chiefs pants if master chief was a spaceship. same hues of green and what not. My widow looks pretty though. racing stripes for when its tearing around the battlefield with that cloak running, oh wait....
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Shereza
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Posted - 2010.06.29 00:31:00 -
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Originally by: Mal Lokrano Now look in Eve 20 thousand years in the future. Saying that dazzle camouflage would work, means ew isn't actually electronic, its knocking out the other ships optical range finders for 30 seconds until they can insert a new lens.
Two minor points. Electronic warfare isn't always active (radar absorbant paint is a very passive form of EW) and EVE takes place well over 20,000 years in the future. It took X millenia for humanity to fill the Milky Way galaxy to the point of galactic warfare over resources, x decades or centuries to colonize the Eve galaxy, and then another 20+ millenia to recover when the wormhole collapsed.
I'd have to hazard a guess that the EVE universe is a minimum of 30m from modern day society. Of course that's just another way of saying, "In 30,000 years we'll be painting ships ugly color schemes for no real reason except to make them harder to sell."
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ZeeWolf
Norfolk Heavy Industries Stellar Union
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Posted - 2010.06.29 06:57:00 -
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Originally by: Shereza
Two minor points. Electronic warfare isn't always active (radar absorbant paint is a very passive form of EW) and EVE takes place well over 20,000 years in the future. It took X millenia for humanity to fill the Milky Way galaxy to the point of galactic warfare over resources, x decades or centuries to colonize the Eve galaxy, and then another 20+ millenia to recover when the wormhole collapsed.
I'd have to hazard a guess that the EVE universe is a minimum of 30m from modern day society. Of course that's just another way of saying, "In 30,000 years we'll be painting ships ugly color schemes for no real reason except to make them harder to sell."
Timeline
YC started in AD 23236 and today it is YC112, so the current eve year is AD 23348
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