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Poje
Gallente Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.05 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: CommanderData211 You want a valid rebut to your assinine idea? Here goes.
You know how every account in EVE has three slots to create three seperate and unique characters? Well guess what, neither EVE nor CCP have any clue which is your main and which is your alt. So the idea you are proposing is that any alt characters on a single account would be applicable for this instant SP. I have an alt that was created years ago and have barely trained anything at all on him. But who (except for me) is to say if he is my main or not?
To further crush your troll, there is a mechanism in place already where you can spend money to get SP. Not sure if you realized this but you can buy a character from another player who wants to sell one. You can do this with ISK which incidentally can be bought for real money.
Buying a character that has been validly trained is fine. Implanting SP onto an inactive character that was arbitrarily created at a time in the distant past is game breaking. It would affect so much more than just the character receiving the SP. If you can't see that, than you are beyond reasoning with.
1. Main Char are easy to notice, its the one with the most SP...
2. Like when you can claim a gift, you could do it only once per account.
3. I said already that you could purchase a max of 1 year of unplayed game time worth, and again, whats the difference between paying now or later ?
4. Buying a new Character is a completly different thing and since EVE have already those kind of features, dont you think what im asking is mild compared to that ?
Thx, have a good day.
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Poje
Gallente Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.06 15:37:00 -
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Bump
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De Guantanamo
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Posted - 2010.07.06 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: Poje Bump
just let it go man
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Phice Anxu
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Posted - 2010.07.06 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: noFace noLIfe If you mean by "play" log in to train your skills and log off, that would be exactly the same thing that he's proposing. If you log in only for SP, who cares if you can buy back game time you didnt use ?
This.
Originally by: Clovermite Edited by: Clovermite on 02/07/2010 19:07:14 I think it is a great idea.
I don't really see how there is room for exploit - you aren't buying extra SP, just bringing your character back up to speed.
As others have already pointed out- you don't get Sps in return for playing the game. Rather, you receive SPs for the amount of licensed (ie paid for) time has passed since your character's creation.
And, as others have also pointed out, you already have the option of buying a pre-skilled character from someone else. The only difference is that you'd be paying for the character that YOU put time into.
On a "respect for diversity" note, it allows anyone who's run into financial hardship for a couple months to jump back into the game without being penalized.
I can't think of any downsides to this, so I'd be interested to see if anybody can think of any legitimate ones.
And /thread.
I support the idea. Maybe it can be good to limit it to a one-time only, to avoid a possible bad usage (I don't see where, whatever the previous posters said) but Eve players can be imaginative.
But it is absolutely important that the skill points must be calculated according to implants and learning the character had before he left.
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Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.07.06 16:59:00 -
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Edited by: Bagehi on 06/07/2010 17:07:40 Net Present Value. This is why you can't give them $15 now and get something that you passed on 2 years ago.
I had a character in 2003, should that character be able to have 130m+ SP now? Even though I didn't really start playing until 2+ years later?
Beyond that, what about the days before the training queue? People who hit snooze on their alarm clock at 4am (that had been set specifically to change skills) and thus lost 3 hours of training time (repeatedly) have a better claim on "missing" SP if you want to go down that road. But, even though I am in that boat, I don't think this is appropriate either.
If you snooze, you lose.
This signature is useless, but it is red.
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Poje
Gallente Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.06 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Bagehi Edited by: Bagehi on 06/07/2010 17:10:14 Net Present Value. This is why you can't give them $15 now and get something that you passed on 2 years ago.
I had a character in 2003, should that character be able to have 100m+ SP now? Even though I didn't really start playing until 2+ years later?
Beyond that, what about the days before the training queue? People who hit snooze on their alarm clock at 4am (that had been set specifically to change skills) and thus lost 3 hours of training time (repeatedly) have a better claim on "missing" SP if you want to go down that road. But, even though I am in that boat, I don't think this is appropriate either.
If you snooze, you lose.
Like i said before, only 1 year worth of SP / game time could be bought back, so no 2003 freak could be created.
And for the time b4 the training queue : thank god it doesnt exist anymore. EVE is a futuristic game, look to teh futur, not the past.
New features like this one and respecing are coming.
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Xia Tong
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Posted - 2010.07.07 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Poje New features like this one and respecing are coming.
I agree with what you propose and i hope Respec will come too !
Supported.
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De Guantanamo
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Posted - 2010.07.07 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: Poje
New features like this one and respecing are coming.
whoa whoa whoa
are you actually referring to respeccing of skills? this has got to be a troll
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.07.07 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: Poje
New features like this one and respecing are coming.
No they aren't.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Poje
Gallente Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.07 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis No they aren't.
Its nice to have beleifs, but that doesnt make them true.
It would be nice if a CSM would take a lil time to read all what was proposed and post, instead of...
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Emperor Ryan
Amarr Imperial Syndicate Forces En Garde
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Posted - 2010.07.07 23:02:00 -
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Edited by: Emperor Ryan on 07/07/2010 23:03:59
Originally by: Poje I just dont understand you guys...
It has no direct effect on Diplomacy.
It has no direct effect on Economy.
It just helps those who stopped playing when they didnt want to and want to rectify that.
Thats it.
Poje you seem to be missing something here, CCP is a company like all companys they are out to earn a profit, Now don't you think in the 7 years the game has been around this idea has come up before.
If your idea were to be implemented, people would go to the character bizzar, Buy a old toon with low sp, And then buy the missing SP. And before you even think it! don't tell me 'Well you can only do it if your toon has always been yours' etc so on, you would be asking for to much procedure and rules.
You've already stated stupid rules like, If you missed 2 years you can only buy back 1 year, Where's your logic, give me an exmaple in game now where when you snooze and lose you can buy back what you missed, but only half of it.
If eve is Dying, and CCP needs cah bad, Expect to see your idea implemented, otherwise it's not happining, and honstly, You can ask why all you want, If you missed time on eve, Learn to deal with it or find a new game.
/Thread - Emperor
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Poje
Gallente Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.07 23:57:00 -
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Originally by: Emperor Ryan Poje you seem to be missing something here, CCP is a company like all companys they are out to earn a profit, Now don't you think in the 7 years the game has been around this idea has come up before.
If your idea were to be implemented, people would go to the character bizzar, Buy a old toon with low sp, And then buy the missing SP. And before you even think it! don't tell me 'Well you can only do it if your toon has always been yours' etc so on, you would be asking for to much procedure and rules.
You've already stated stupid rules like, If you missed 2 years you can only buy back 1 year, Where's your logic, give me an exmaple in game now where when you snooze and lose you can buy back what you missed, but only half of it.
If eve is Dying, and CCP needs cah bad, Expect to see your idea implemented, otherwise it's not happining, and honstly, You can ask why all you want, If you missed time on eve, Learn to deal with it or find a new game.
/Thread
Another one that didnt read properly...
Let me re-write the possible rules that could be implemented :
- It can be done only once per account, (To help those who realy need it, that way it cant be farmed)
- You can buy back up to 1 year worth of game time maximum, (So an old Character woudnt be a possible monster)
- The number of SP available is based on the average SP per month the Character chosen has trained, (If an old toon just played 2 months, the average SP he did in those 2 first months are quite low, so even if he decide to buy a year back, it wont mean alot of SP)
And i could add a new rule :
- The process cant be done on a transfered Character. (Characters have to be created from scratch in the account to be eligible)
With all these rules and CCP could add even more, it will target those who realy need it and with the features already available in EVE, this is just another one in the same league.
ResumT : Whats the difference between paying now or paying the same later ?
P.S : To those that post after this, if you dont support this idea, be sure to read EVERYTHING that was said before posting. Thx.
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ShadowandLight
Doom Guard Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.07.08 15:10:00 -
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seems fair enough
pay CCP for back time on inactive accounts and they give u the SP you would have trained up ( no free bees though )
no issue here :)
Hi Poje! ------- "The Lord loosed upon them his fierce anger All of his fury and rage. He dispatched against them a band of Avenging Angels" - The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 10:1
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Jasdemi
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Posted - 2010.07.08 15:17:00 -
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Poje, don't give up. In few hundreds more posts this idea may be acknowledged by CCP.
You can even indirectly buy characters with real money, so why shouldn't players be allowed to pay for the SP they could've trained while the account was inactive?
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Poje
Gallente Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.09 09:58:00 -
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Originally by: Jasdemi Poje, don't give up. In few hundreds more posts this idea may be acknowledged by CCP.
You can even indirectly buy characters with real money, so why shouldn't players be allowed to pay for the SP they could've trained while the account was inactive?
I wont and thx.
(Even scarcastic post can be good...)
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noFace noLIfe
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Posted - 2010.07.10 14:31:00 -
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This wasnt approved still ?
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.07.10 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Poje
Originally by: Malcanis No they aren't.
Its nice to have beleifs, but that doesnt make them true.
I have just as much evidence for my belief as you have for yours: none.
Oh wait, actually I do have more: my belief is the status quo. You haven't provided any evidence for this change being about to happen that "I really want it to".
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Maxsim Goratiev
Gallente Imperial Tau Syndicate Underworld Excavators
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Posted - 2010.07.10 20:08:00 -
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WHile i can see this being something very pleasant, espeshially for me since i took over a year-long break from eve, i do not think this is the type of stuff we should have in eve. If you whant to buy sp, buy a char on the market.
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Ja focker
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Posted - 2010.07.11 05:20:00 -
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Edited by: Ja focker on 11/07/2010 05:24:18 supported~
CCP like any other game company is in it for the money. I don't see them not liking this idea with the only difficulty of coding it fairly into any already complex database. This is a good alternative to sticking around to watch paint dry, skill training, which is one of the largest turn offs of EVE ONLINE to mainstream mmo players. Naturally it be only one character per account as you could only train one character at a time and coding to divide bought time between alts would be extra man hours. Also adding this feature then brings into question about other features like buying of SP in advance... god only knows how the veterans of this game would cry bloody tears and emoragequit if that happened, but I don't think it's out of the question either. The only reason they'd be *****ing is the loss of advantage and closing the gap to a more balanced playing field, which was one of the main ideas behind T3 ships in their reduced training time over tech 2 ships. The MMO world is heading to micro transactions with free game play and this could/would be one of the features to add to CCP's micro transaction store.
Anything that closes the gap between those that started at retail release and those that came later, I am in full support... as long as I can use plex to pay for the feature =p. |
Sahriah BloodStone
Caldari Black Skull Squadron
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Posted - 2010.07.11 05:29:00 -
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Edited by: Sahriah BloodStone on 11/07/2010 05:32:30
Originally by: Poje
Dont render judgement on things before you think about the reasons behind them.
Don't make suggestions until you have thought of every way it can be abused, and propose fixes for them.
Edit: Actually having read abit more i would support a 1-2 month version of this for the simple purpose of RL issues. There is no way it should ever be for a year..to easily abused ---------------------- Sahriah Bloodstone
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Sphit Ker
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.07.11 12:58:00 -
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I took a long break because of various issues which I had no direct control over.
Being offered the chance to get back SPs I had to leave behind with my hiatus? Yes, please and thanks you. I will be the first in line throwing my money at CCP for this.
I see the opponents have failed to make their case. You know CCP have their own awesome ways for not being santa claus. I am not worried one bit over this.
Im in.
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Seamus Donohue
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.11 18:14:00 -
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What I think the original poster is proposing is allowing players to buy skillpoints for their characters, but imposing a cap: "You can't buy more than X skillpoints because your character was only created Y days ago."
I am ambivalent about this plan. __________________________________________________ Survivor of Teskanen, fan of John Rourke. |
Darkwolf
Caldari TOG Empire DRACONIAN COVENANT
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Posted - 2010.07.11 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: Poje My idea is that characters that are low in SP compared to the number of months/years they have played, can purchase back the time they lost off the game.
I'm a 2003 character. I stopped playing for nearly two years (2005-2007), so I'm two years behind on training.
I do not support this proposal.
I made the choice to cancel my subscription at the time, and I choose to live with the consequences of the decision.
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Penny Star
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Posted - 2010.07.12 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Sphit Ker I took a long break because of various issues which I had no direct control over.
Being offered the chance to get back SPs I had to leave behind with my hiatus? Yes, please and thanks you. I will be the first in line throwing my money at CCP for this.
I see the opponents have failed to make their case. You know CCP have their own awesome ways for not being santa claus. I am not worried one bit over this.
Im in.
/agree
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Razaelle Tannhauser
PALADIN IMPERATOR Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.14 10:24:00 -
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/agree ! Razaelle Tannhauser CEO de Paladin Imperator
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Heroldyn Yhamad
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Posted - 2010.07.14 10:30:00 -
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Disagree *thumbsdown* |
Chesty McJubblies
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Posted - 2010.07.14 13:11:00 -
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This is a way for CCP to make more revenue. It wouldn't surprise me if they're temped.
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Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2010.07.14 13:52:00 -
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Edited by: Mashie Saldana on 14/07/2010 13:52:40 WTB unused 2003 alt.
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Joseph Dredd
Value Added Traders
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Posted - 2010.07.14 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana Edited by: Mashie Saldana on 14/07/2010 13:52:40 WTB unused 2003 alt.
Was going to say the same...how much would my 4 2003 created alts be worth on the isk market for an instant 9 year boost up to Dr Kaymus 150 mil skill point lvl be worth
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Seamus Donohue
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.15 23:42:00 -
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Wait a minute, I just thought of something....
If CCP did allow players to buy skillpoints, wouldn't that cause the Character Bazaar to crash?
I don't buy or sell characters, so I'm not personally affected by this. But, character-sellers would suddenly have to compete with characters that players could create by buying skillpoints straight from CCP.
I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing. __________________________________________________ Survivor of Teskanen, fan of John Rourke. |
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