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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.07.03 10:01:00 -
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When the speed changes arrived, CCP nerfed the web strength considerably. The problem IMO is that the stacking penalties for webs that worked fine with the old web strengths are too severe now when compared to the existing peak web strengths.
Even when piling 3-4 webs on a target you can only get the speed of a target down to about 80-85% of it's top speed, which isn't enough to hold something trying to get back to a gate and/or dock range. I propose that stacking penalties for webs be completely removed so that 3-4 webs will reduce a target's speed to 5% or so. 1v1 encounters won't be affected that much, if at all, and those that choose to sacrifice their mid slots for multiple webs will be rewarded with increased effectiveness.
CCP has continued to change the game in favor of the defender and this needs to be reversed.
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 Originally by: Bellum Eternus
That is the beauty of Eve, it's a crucible in which great minds are formed and the rest are ground to dust.
Bellum Eternus
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Maxsim Goratiev
Gallente
Imperial Tau Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.07.03 10:47:00 -
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webefiers have no stacking penalties, do some reasearch before you post please. Every web cuts the speed of the target in half, it's as simple as that.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.03 13:19:00 -
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PRetty sure they didnt change it, so webs should still have stacking penalties.
I like the way bellum is thinking, but then reversed. Massively increase stacking penalties of webs, now only encourages blobbing single targets in gatecamps. Higher stacking penalties for webs = more fights less ganks.
(To be honest, didnt really think of it myself, got the idea from some SHC topic where someone proposed only one ECM module per target).
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.07.03 15:11:00 -
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Supported.
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus
That is the beauty of Eve, it's a crucible in which great minds are formed and the rest are ground to dust.
Bellum Eternus
Inveniam viam aut faciam. |
Matalino
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Posted - 2010.07.03 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: Maxsim Goratiev
webefiers have no stacking penalties, do some reasearch before you post please. Every web cuts the speed of the target in half, it's as simple as that.
Yes, more research is required before posting. But, not by the OP. 
Anyways, webs are not supposed to be able to stop a ship completely any more, regardless of how many are used. That is why their strength was reduced in the first plance.
Stacking penalties remain in effect, thank you.
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.07.03 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer
PRetty sure they didnt change it, so webs should still have stacking penalties.
I like the way bellum is thinking, but then reversed. Massively increase stacking penalties of webs, now only encourages blobbing single targets in gatecamps. Higher stacking penalties for webs = more fights less ganks.
(To be honest, didnt really think of it myself, got the idea from some SHC topic where someone proposed only one ECM module per target).
If a player is blobbed, he's dead anyway. All the above does is help solo players complete a kill instead of allowing yet another target to get away.
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus
That is the beauty of Eve, it's a crucible in which great minds are formed and the rest are ground to dust.
Bellum Eternus
Inveniam viam aut faciam. |
Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.03 17:02:00 -
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No if you jump as solo player in a gate camp you can gatecrash and survive, you want to make the blob stronger there.
And only the blob, your proposal doesnt help solo players in any way. Afaik webs have normal stacking penalties, so second web is still 87% effective, which is pretty close to 100%. No solo player will ever fit more than 2 webs, and that is already very special. So the only thing you will boost is blobs.
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Goose99
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Posted - 2010.07.04 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Originally by: Furb Killer
PRetty sure they didnt change it, so webs should still have stacking penalties.
I like the way bellum is thinking, but then reversed. Massively increase stacking penalties of webs, now only encourages blobbing single targets in gatecamps. Higher stacking penalties for webs = more fights less ganks.
(To be honest, didnt really think of it myself, got the idea from some SHC topic where someone proposed only one ECM module per target).
If a player is blobbed, he's dead anyway. All the above does is help solo players complete a kill instead of allowing yet another target to get away.
Solo player won't have so many webs to stack. Speed is the one thing that can let you survive when blobbed. No buff to blob. This is a buff to noob-griefing/industrial popping and nerf to real pvp. Not supported.
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Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.07.04 16:53:00 -
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Oh, those poor blobbers, not able to kill a solo target because their quad webs don't work well enough. 
Not supported.
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Haruki sensou
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Posted - 2010.07.05 04:50:00 -
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Supported :
webs got nerfed harder than they should have, it takes about 3 webs to keep a target from getting back to a gate. It makes solo work even more unlikely and it's the leas they can do after stealth nerfing suicide stations. Eve is supposed to be dangerous, people who leeroy stuff around and don't think deserve to lose it. If anything this game is becoming friendlier by the patch.
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Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.07.05 05:13:00 -
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Originally by: Haruki sensou
it takes about 3 webs to keep a target from getting back to a gate. It makes solo work even more unlikely
So because triple-web and quadruple-web setups don't work well enough, solo PvP is too hard? 
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Maxsim Goratiev
Gallente
Imperial Tau Syndicate
Underworld Excavators
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Posted - 2010.07.05 10:16:00 -
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Edited by: Maxsim Goratiev on 05/07/2010 10:19:46
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PRetty sure they didnt change it, so webs should still have stacking penalties.
People, are you stupid? Web never had stacking penalties. Period.
Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
Originally by: Haruki sensou
it takes about 3 webs to keep a target from getting back to a gate. It makes solo work even more unlikely
So because triple-web and quadruple-web setups don't work well enough, solo PvP is too hard?
I don't know if i should laugh or cry.
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Stacking penalties remain in effect, thank you.
I am ready to bet 50 million isk with anybody confidently misinforming or stupidly trolling here, and claiming here that they do have a penalty. If you are so confident, mit me up in game and lets run a little test. Otherwise, stop posting.
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2010.07.05 10:21:00 -
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Edited by: Sokratesz on 05/07/2010 10:21:49
Not supported for reasons listed above. It will not affect small fights very much and the large one's certainly don't need a buff in this regard.
And I will take the 50 mil bet on webs having stacking penalties, but unfortunately all my chars are unavailable at this time.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.05 10:31:00 -
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I happily take your 50M bet. Preferably with third person so i am sure i receive my 50M. Dunno if they do small amounts like 50M, but otherwise i would really enjoy raising the bet so i can lose some ships again.
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2010.07.05 11:33:00 -
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Edited by: Sokratesz on 05/07/2010 11:33:52
Originally by: Furb Killer
I happily take your 50M bet. Preferably with third person so i am sure i receive my 50M. Dunno if they do small amounts like 50M, but otherwise i would really enjoy raising the bet so i can lose some ships again.
You're not the one who posted the bet are you? And unlike some others, I keep my word (when not selling motherships).
If Maxsim Goratiev wants to take on the 50mil he can reply here. I'll even log into sisi to test it!
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I think CSM is a pretty cool guy. eh creates e-drama and doesnt afraid of anything. |
Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.05 11:52:00 -
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Edited by: Furb Killer on 05/07/2010 11:53:06
Edited by: Furb Killer on 05/07/2010 11:52:35
Huh? Read back a bit, i am not the one denying webs have stacking penalties. So i happily have a bet against him (Maxsim, not you) to get 50M.
Edit: BTW saying you keep your word and proceeding with listing exceptions is not a great sales pitch.
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2010.07.05 12:16:00 -
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Oh I'm sorry I thought you were replying to me.
And that's called being 'honest', you might want to look that up.
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I think CSM is a pretty cool guy. eh creates e-drama and doesnt afraid of anything. |
Maxsim Goratiev
Gallente
Imperial Tau Syndicate
Underworld Excavators
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Posted - 2010.07.05 12:18:00 -
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Edited by: Maxsim Goratiev on 05/07/2010 12:18:11
You are right guys, there is a stacking penalty, did some testing with my alt. I am sorry for this.
Now, i am really wondering why ti is not in the item description like with other forms of e-war.
My apologies.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.05 12:22:00 -
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So no 50M for me :(
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