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Marlona Sky
D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.07.03 21:47:00 -
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Edited by: Marlona Sky on 03/07/2010 21:47:25 We all heard a lot of promises and things during the election process. We should be keeping track of who is taking their position in the CSM seriously and who lied their ass off just to get free trips and free account subscriptions.
Who out of the CSM are actually following thru with what they said they would do and who is doing the worst?
No trolling and keep it on topic people.
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Mynxee
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Posted - 2010.07.03 22:47:00 -
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Edited by: Mynxee on 03/07/2010 22:49:00 This seems slightly premature, since we've not even been in office for one month yet. But I'm curious to see what people think as time goes on, and by what metrics we are judged (considering that achieving the metric by which we are popularly judged, e.g., the number of CSM-submitted issues to be implemented in-game, is essentially hamstrung by forces totally outside our control atm).
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Marlona Sky
D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.07.04 00:13:00 -
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Edited by: Marlona Sky on 04/07/2010 00:13:13
Originally by: Mynxee Edited by: Mynxee on 03/07/2010 22:49:00 This seems slightly premature, since we've not even been in office for one month yet. But I'm curious to see what people think as time goes on, and by what metrics we are judged (considering that achieving the metric by which we are popularly judged, e.g., the number of CSM-submitted issues to be implemented in-game, is essentially hamstrung by forces totally outside our control atm).
There is no reason why we should wait till the term is half way over, much less towards the end to give constructive criticism on CSM members performance. It should start from day one.
Yes, as a CSM member you can only do so much and the rest is left up to CCP. We all know this. But that should be not waved around as a cop-out for justification for just sitting back and doing nothing while enjoying the perks of being in the CSM.
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Mynxee
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Posted - 2010.07.04 00:17:00 -
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Originally by: Marlona Sky There is no reason why we should wait till the term is half way over, much less towards the end to give constructive criticism on CSM members performance. It should start from day one.
Yes, as a CSM member you can only do so much and the rest is left up to CCP. We all know this. But that should be not waved around as a cop-out for justification for just sitting back and doing nothing while enjoying the perks of being in the CSM.
Oh I totally agree, and I wasn't trying to imply it should be. Just making a practical point :)
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2010.07.04 21:03:00 -
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Politics is all about expectation management á
I think CSM is a pretty cool guy. eh creates e-drama and doesnt afraid of anything. |
Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.07.04 23:45:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz Politics is all about expectation management
Make people expect nothing from you, and that way all their surprise will be pleasant?
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Killer Gandry
Caldari TerraNovae
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Posted - 2010.07.05 01:25:00 -
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Edited by: Killer Gandry on 05/07/2010 01:25:35 I for one prefer to give it some time.
Expecting results from the CSM from day one is like expecting a newly installed government issueing new laws and such from day one. It ain't gonna happen because after people get elected they will have to talk with eachother first.
And guess what, not everyone has the same log in times.
Next to that every issue brought forward can't be handled because of two simple reasons.
1: You need a majority vote from CSM members first about the topic. 2: There just isn't enough time nor room to cover everything and as such the CSM will have to work out which things get work and which will have to wait.
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Clovermite
Kamikaze Fleet Command Kamikaze Project
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Posted - 2010.07.06 02:07:00 -
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Originally by: Killer Gandry
2: There just isn't enough time nor room to cover everything and as such the CSM will have to work out which things get work and which will have to wait.
Speaking of which, I read in the summit minutes something about extending the term from 6 months to a full year.
Did CCP approve that at all, or was that just another discussion that they put on the backlog?
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Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.07.06 05:06:00 -
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Originally by: Clovermite Speaking of which, I read in the summit minutes something about extending the term from 6 months to a full year.
Did CCP approve that at all, or was that just another discussion that they put on the backlog?
It's already in place. CSM5 is serving a 10-month term(they wanted to change when in the year the elections fell), and then CSM6+ will be 12-month terms.
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2010.07.06 09:43:00 -
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Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
Originally by: Clovermite Speaking of which, I read in the summit minutes something about extending the term from 6 months to a full year.
Did CCP approve that at all, or was that just another discussion that they put on the backlog?
It's already in place. CSM5 is serving a 10-month term(they wanted to change when in the year the elections fell), and then CSM6+ will be 12-month terms.
And it was CCP's idea, not ours. á
I think CSM is a pretty cool guy. eh creates e-drama and doesnt afraid of anything. |
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Mynxee
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Posted - 2010.07.06 10:46:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto It's already in place. CSM5 is serving a 10-month term(they wanted to change when in the year the elections fell), and then CSM6+ will be 12-month terms.
And it was CCP's idea, not ours.
And it was done so that CSM Summits could be conducted at the start of each six-month development cycle, the intention being that CSM priorities could be taken into timely consideration for each cycle. Although this was decided during CSM4's term and although the first CSM5 Summit did indeed occur at the start of a dev cycle, we got no commitments from CCP for putting any CSM backlogged items in the Winter expansion. The only (distant) possibility I recall is a "We will investigate the feasibility to put this in to the winter expansion." response to a CSM4 item (T3 refitting subsystems at pos / carrier) that CSM5 carried forward.
We otherwise have no idea what if any CSM backlogged items are being considered for inclusion on the Winter expansion (or interim patches, for that matter), nor is there any easy way to get a list of CSM items in the backlog or their status because those items are not tagged with a CSM identifier. At the Summit, we requested such a list and the implementation of a process for tagging CSM items going forward. CCP committed to doing this--by the next Summit six months from now. I find that time-frame somewhat ridiculous, tbh. How hard exactly could this job be? And ummm...gee, maybe it would be easier and faster if the CSM were employed somehow to aid in the process. But...no dice.
I'm tracking the status of that and other deliverables on my blog, though. Will cheerfully give credit where due when CCP delivers and in the meanwhile will post updates for each follow-up to check the status of these CCP commitments.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.07.06 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
Originally by: Sokratesz Politics is all about expectation management
Make people expect nothing from you, and that way all their surprise will be pleasant?
Increased success by lowering the expectations.
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.07.06 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Mynxee . But I'm curious to see what people think as time goes on
I can sum it up in 2 sentences:
Best CSM yet. Worst CCP ever.
We're investing a lot of hope in you guys. Dont let us down.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
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