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Sazkyen
State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.07.15 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: MMarlon
Originally by: Miss AmarrPriceCheck The funniest part of these posts is that even the people saying to sell are admitting that prices are going to rise, and the only question is how much. I think that tells you all you need to know.
Well that is true. I personally have couple of millions GS and Mech parts, Robotics and some others. GS cannot sell, no one wants them, will crash the market if I just touch the sell button; And, as I see, all buy orders are from respectable traders in this forum, trying to make illusion of demand.
Robotics selling atm, coz it's cheaper to make them at this prices.
Not desperate to sell, made alot in the past weeks, dont need isk at all. But will not buy a single Pi piece more.
So how high is CE going in the long run then? I checked the excel files but I couldn't really understand them. All I can see is that they are probably saying that CE is supposed to be around 7k. -SIG- Ship comparison |
Kwaya
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Posted - 2010.07.15 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Sazkyen
Originally by: MMarlon
Originally by: Miss AmarrPriceCheck The funniest part of these posts is that even the people saying to sell are admitting that prices are going to rise, and the only question is how much. I think that tells you all you need to know.
Well that is true. I personally have couple of millions GS and Mech parts, Robotics and some others. GS cannot sell, no one wants them, will crash the market if I just touch the sell button; And, as I see, all buy orders are from respectable traders in this forum, trying to make illusion of demand.
Robotics selling atm, coz it's cheaper to make them at this prices.
Not desperate to sell, made alot in the past weeks, dont need isk at all. But will not buy a single Pi piece more.
So how high is CE going in the long run then? I checked the excel files but I couldn't really understand them. All I can see is that they are probably saying that CE is supposed to be around 7k.
The reality is probably closer to 700ISK instead of 7000ISK.
Do yourself a favour and drop the ballast. Sell CE/Robotics while you still can.
S E L L
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pmchem
Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.15 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Sazkyen
So how high is CE going in the long run then? I checked the excel files but I couldn't really understand them. All I can see is that they are probably saying that CE is supposed to be around 7k.
That's a reasonable and plausible price for after stockpiles start to run dry. You'll see a slow climb towards that, with a short-term drop when someone unloads their stock and others follow suit. We're approaching the end of one of those phases around now.
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MMarlon
SRBI Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.07.15 19:11:00 -
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Originally by: Sazkyen
So how high is CE going in the long run then? I checked the excel files but I couldn't really understand them. All I can see is that they are probably saying that CE is supposed to be around 7k.
Dunno dude, I don't find that table clear enough either. But taking simple math for CE today should cost around 5.600 (Chiral Structures 196 and Toxic Metals 509)
Oh wait, Chiral Structures 196 isk, how's that possible? We should rewrite our P1 cost math, that's for sure.
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mental maverick
Duty. Duty. Private Security
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Posted - 2010.07.15 19:14:00 -
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Edited by: mental maverick on 15/07/2010 19:14:56 This thread is starting to remind me of a pretty funny movie i saw once, anybody care to take a guess?
hint: Jim Carrey is in it...
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Icanti
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Posted - 2010.07.15 19:16:00 -
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Originally by: mental maverick Edited by: mental maverick on 15/07/2010 19:14:56 This thread is starting to remind me of a pretty funny movie i saw once, anybody care to take a guess?
hint: Jim Carrey is in it...
How about liar liar?
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mental maverick
Duty. Duty. Private Security
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Posted - 2010.07.15 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Icanti How about liar liar?
Wrong, although it kinda fits i guess...
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Chara Vega
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Posted - 2010.07.15 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: mental maverick Edited by: mental maverick on 15/07/2010 19:14:56 This thread is starting to remind me of a pretty funny movie i saw once, anybody care to take a guess?
hint: Jim Carrey is in it...
Yes man.
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Thrasymachus TheSophist
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Posted - 2010.07.15 20:01:00 -
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This thread delivers!!!
Great rhetoric. Great issue.
9/10
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Vilgan Mazran
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2010.07.15 20:59:00 -
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Given the current P2/P3/p4 prices, control towers and outposts have already dropped to nearly half the old price. Why would CCP adjust PI to make this drop even more noticeable?
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Anar Chism
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.07.15 21:12:00 -
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I dont see any reason for adjustment at all, the Pi market is going great. Less smart people got screwed by mantra P1 for 385 isk minimum, NPC seeded going sky high, and get flushed by less greedy traders.
Now have overpriced poisoned Pi in their hangar and hoping for some help to get their isk back. At least part of it. Yes, it is just normal. |
FilterRelease
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Posted - 2010.07.15 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: Talonyc a'Tsuj
Originally by: pmchem I post with logic, numbers, spreadsheets not created by me vetted by other players in S&I, while a manipulator like the one above just posts a vague claim of 'flawed' and a panic declarative to 'sell'.
Check the long-term (20-day) price trends for CE/GS, check the spreadsheets, examine the sheer number of buy orders and 0.01 market pvp in buy orders -- and know I'm the one speaking the truth.
Hear this. I offer conventional wisdom and pure logic. CE is at 10x of its NPC value. You didn't seriously believe that it would go to 20x-50x value??? If so, then it's time to reconsider and take cold facts into account. Those charts were made to manipulate you into buying. How convenient of you. Please. It's time to sell. Everything you have.
You forget that ccp has a interest in inflating your iskies away. Why would they want deflation and each isk to be worth more? It doesn't serve them long term. But I understand why you do what you do :)
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Anar Chism
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.07.15 22:05:00 -
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It's not about inflation or deflation, but simple harvesting. ******s bleeded to death overbidding each other to get a piece of golden NPC Pi items. Tards get flushed. And it will happen again, and again, and again, according to amount of Pi stockpiled for years at best.
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FilterRelease
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Posted - 2010.07.15 22:07:00 -
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Edited by: FilterRelease on 15/07/2010 22:10:14
Originally by: Anar Chism It's not about inflation or deflation, but simple harvesting. ******s bleeded to death overbidding each other to get a piece of golden NPC Pi items. Tards get flushed. And it will happen again, and again, and again, according to amount of Pi stockpiled for years at best.
Yes but if those first widgets go up in price then look at t2 prices. They are on the rise. Everything will inflate in price. We have been deflating for how long now? This is good for ccp. Also PI better get MORE profitable in iskie amounts and inflation is a good way to make that happen.
Let me also add I'm not in cash anymore (I have enough not to hurt). I am sitting in t2 and pi. If prices rise I rise
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Wyke Mossari
Gallente Staner Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.15 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: Talonyc a'Tsuj [
Anyone can see those charts are flawed. Even if they weren't flawed,
Then you should have no difficult articulating those flaws.
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Ari Chu
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Posted - 2010.07.16 00:10:00 -
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Colonies cost 10mil to build.
I'm really looking forward to seeing how DUST will be implemented. How much would people be willing to pay to destroy a colony that can be rebuilt very quickly for 10M isk?
Even if the # of Merc groups that are active is sufficiently low enough were every day there is exactly 1 colony attacked and destroyed (meaning that the price to hire mercs are as high as they could possibly be, presuming that EVE players have to bid for the services)..... What is the average expected cost?
Would someone pay, every day, 100Mil to destroy a colony that could be rebuilt and was only producing 1M per day? Would they pay 10mil per day? What if the colony produced 10mil worth of materials per day?
When people try to calculate what the long term values of PI are going to be - they should atleast try to get a handle upon what impact DUST will have. Maybe DUST will fail within a month of release, thereby having no impact? ---
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Patri Andari
Caldari Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
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Posted - 2010.07.16 00:26:00 -
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Made my isk and am happy with the return
Now to make more i could re-invest in P1-P3 or use what I have to make P4 items cheaply and cash in that way.
I no longer make many P1-P3. It's stupid. They drop you know?
I import P2-P3 from drops I aquire casually (no clicky clicky) and produce the rest. P4 is where the real isk is at! The choice is obvious. Import your P1-P3 items or produce them. Since most P2-P3 items drop from NPCs ( including GS available in huge amounts in Caldari space) you have to do your homework to find out where and who to find the items you need/want.
Hold on to your stockpiles fools! I neither want or need it! NPCs drop them just fine for my taste. Oh and the items I recover from drops....are FREE!
Btw Noobs are in your mission space stealing your PI products!
Get in there Mortimer and sell, sell sell!
Patri
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MMarlon
SRBI Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.07.16 00:43:00 -
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Heh, nice try! But meh, we are soo greedy, we will risk our 20x profit at present price to get additional 2x on top on that. Ya, the spreadsheet don't show so, but that's irrelevant, one told somewhere that it will go 100K, maybe 200K, or million, who knows...
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Patri Andari
Caldari Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
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Posted - 2010.07.16 01:09:00 -
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Originally by: MMarlon Heh, nice try! But meh, we are soo greedy, we will risk our 20x profit at present price to get additional 2x on top on that. Ya, the spreadsheet don't show so, but that's irrelevant, one told somewhere that it will go 100K, maybe 200K, or million, who knows...
ORLY? then I think you have called my bluff.
Let's try:
Organic Mortar Applicators Current sale (in Jita)
How made?
6X robotics (NPCc drop 70 from convoy) 40X Bacteriae (NPCs drop over 1000 from convoy) 6X Condensates (no NPC drops recorded but costs 60,000 per unit in Jita)= 360,000.00 (Can buy or produce)
Sale Price? (Jita) = 617,899,99 Buy Price? (Jita) = 506,036.89
So, spending 360,000. plus import/export costs will yield a tidy profit if the items used are not gained by clicky but by pirating.
Put that in your spread sheet and smoke it!
Patri
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MMarlon
SRBI Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.07.16 01:30:00 -
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What? I should petition CCP at once! Who dares to touch my stockpiled GS worth hundreds of billions at this price, or thousands of billions at projected price in 7 years?!? I'm so frustrated, I'll sell now couple of millions just for fun. ---Checking demand--- What?!? There is no enough buy orders just to fill small portion of my stash. Oh, what a worthless junk i collected...
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Maria Yumeno
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Posted - 2010.07.16 01:43:00 -
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Edited by: Maria Yumeno on 16/07/2010 01:44:37 I don't see there is any way robotics is not going to increase.
The only downwards pressure on the market is the (finite) stockpiles. They went up to 28k this weekend which was the point a lot of investors decided to cash out. This weekend will see a similar thing, people getting scared and dumping. The difference will be that at these prices it is more risky speculating on them and so some of the demand has gone. This will happen until the price drops to say 15k isk, then everyone will jump back on the bandwagon pushing the prices back to 30k easily.
NPC drops are no where near enough to cover the amount of demand there is from pos', t2 production and pos module production.
Edit - You might wanna look at other npc prices. Oxides are around 9k isk (still decreasing) uranium is 12k isk and decreasing slowly. But It would take a long time to drop below 5k (if they ever do). CE at 2k isk is a steal
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Patri Andari
Caldari Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
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Posted - 2010.07.16 01:44:00 -
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Once folks figure out where and when to attack an NPC convoy, the profits will know no ends!
It used to be segregated by the products sold at each station, but that has changed. Now it seems each race carries a primary, secondary and tertiary PI product along with mass amounts of consumer goods.
I am still researching and I think I will keep the results private now as the returns seem to be hefty. I will say this though, The tertiary product of MANY Caldari corporations is Guidance Systems. They drop pretty often. Patri
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Patri Andari
Caldari Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
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Posted - 2010.07.16 01:53:00 -
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Originally by: Maria Yumeno Edited by: Maria Yumeno on 16/07/2010 01:44:37 I don't see there is any way robotics is not going to increase.
The only downwards pressure on the market is the (finite) stockpiles. They went up to 28k this weekend which was the point a lot of investors decided to cash out. This weekend will see a similar thing, people getting scared and dumping. The difference will be that at these prices it is more risky speculating on them and so some of the demand has gone. This will happen until the price drops to say 15k isk, then everyone will jump back on the bandwagon pushing the prices back to 30k easily.
NPC drops are no where near enough to cover the amount of demand there is from pos', t2 production and pos module production.
Edit - You might wanna look at other npc prices. Oxides are around 9k isk (still decreasing) uranium is 12k isk and decreasing slowly. But It would take a long time to drop below 5k (if they ever do). CE at 2k isk is a steal
3X Robotics = 10x Consumer electronics + 10X Mechanical parts
Guess where CE,MP and even Robotics drop! Patri
I'll Roshambo you for that Titan |
RAW23
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Posted - 2010.07.16 07:44:00 -
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Originally by: Patri Andari Once folks figure out where and when to attack an NPC convoy, the profits will know no ends!
I'm not sure that ganking convoys for half the hourly profit of running level 4s is going to be a particularly popular career path.
I must say, though, that I admire your stamina. You are working/posting really hard to try to depress prices with the slenderest backing for your "arguments". It obviously means a lot to you that prices go down. How many of each of these items are you hoping to pick up and what is your target price?
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Grozen
Caldari Titan Core
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Posted - 2010.07.16 09:16:00 -
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Obv not a lot of ppl with logic in the thread.Currently i don't give rats ass what happens to my planet.Currently everything i produce is worth a jack **** of what i make when i make my $ with real good methods.So why would ccp bother screwing whats already screwed?
Whats the incentive people will have to take my ****ty planet which i don't care for?Or maybe they will boost exraction rates so that nobody in his right mind will produce goods that sell for 100k for 24hours work. Get your facts and sheets straight then come back. knowledge is power |
Emnity Preston
Caldari Vision. The Laughing Men
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Posted - 2010.07.16 09:28:00 -
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Who is to say the economy in Dust will operate on anything like the scales in eve itself?
If your colony cost 10mil to install and produces around 30mil per month (for example) that could be pretty minor space bucks, but pretty major mercenary soldier grunt bucks. Rifles, Grenades and tanks etc could be in the 100-25k boundary in dust itself and maybe a whole band could be hired for 1.5mil per hit etc. Until the scales are unleashed/revealed it will be hard to establish how exactly it integrates, but I'm definitely convinced we dont have the whole picture to speculate on.
As things stand right now, would people go through the hassle of denying people a few mil/month passive space bucks? Maybe not. Will there be decent reasons for hiring teenage twitch FPS players at all? More than likely or they wouldnt be developing an integrated game.
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Maria Yumeno
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Posted - 2010.07.16 09:33:00 -
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Originally by: Patri Andari Once folks figure out where and when to attack an NPC convoy, the profits will know no ends!
It used to be segregated by the products sold at each station, but that has changed. Now it seems each race carries a primary, secondary and tertiary PI product along with mass amounts of consumer goods.
I am still researching and I think I will keep the results private now as the returns seem to be hefty. I will say this though, The tertiary product of MANY Caldari corporations is Guidance Systems. They drop pretty often.
Hmm... so you make a killing off NPC convoys and yet you post this information in order to get prices to drop?
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.07.16 09:48:00 -
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Originally by: Emnity Preston Who is to say the economy in Dust will operate on anything like the scales in eve itself?
If your colony cost 10mil to install and produces around 30mil per month (for example) that could be pretty minor space bucks, but pretty major mercenary soldier grunt bucks. Rifles, Grenades and tanks etc could be in the 100-25k boundary in dust itself and maybe a whole band could be hired for 1.5mil per hit etc. Until the scales are unleashed/revealed it will be hard to establish how exactly it integrates, but I'm definitely convinced we dont have the whole picture to speculate on.
Elite command center + several spaceports, etc, costs somewhat more than 10M and makes you more than 30mil per month unless you're extracting stuff in high-sec.
Besides 20M ~= $1 with current PLEX prices, so if a dust group did e.g. 10 x 2M hits they'd get free $1 micro-transaction to use for upgrades.
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.17 01:05:00 -
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Originally by: Patri Andari Once folks figure out where and when to attack an NPC convoy, the profits will know no ends!
It used to be segregated by the products sold at each station, but that has changed. Now it seems each race carries a primary, secondary and tertiary PI product along with mass amounts of consumer goods.
I am still researching and I think I will keep the results private now as the returns seem to be hefty. I will say this though, The tertiary product of MANY Caldari corporations is Guidance Systems. They drop pretty often.
for the future: this was a pretty good attempt but you're overselling it and the "it's a secret BUT LOOK HERE" thing is too transparent - you should have hinted at it and had a sockpuppet alt then reveal it
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Patri Andari
Caldari Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
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Posted - 2010.07.17 03:57:00 -
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Originally by: Weaselior
Originally by: Patri Andari Once folks figure out where and when to attack an NPC convoy, the profits will know no ends!
It used to be segregated by the products sold at each station, but that has changed. Now it seems each race carries a primary, secondary and tertiary PI product along with mass amounts of consumer goods.
I am still researching and I think I will keep the results private now as the returns seem to be hefty. I will say this though, The tertiary product of MANY Caldari corporations is Guidance Systems. They drop pretty often.
for the future: this was a pretty good attempt but you're overselling it and the "it's a secret BUT LOOK HERE" thing is too transparent - you should have hinted at it and had a sockpuppet alt then reveal it
You're right. I suck at this propoganda thing. I could learn a lot from Goons. You guys recruiting?
Patri
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