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Lexa Stone
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Posted - 2010.07.04 20:02:00 -
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There was a thread yesterday showing a video of a modified EVE client which had python code injected into it allowing the person to isntantly scan out anyone anywhere in the system. In the video it also showed numberous GM abilities in drop down menus. People were saying the client is flawed and that this can be easily replicated.
Now today that thread is missing. What the **** CCP?
Something very wrong is going on here and CCP is pulling the wool over your eyes and covering up any evidence.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2010.07.04 20:04:00 -
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Standard practise. Just leave it alone until they fix the issue. Threads like this only cause more damage than good tbh.
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Drykor
Minmatar Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2010.07.04 20:04:00 -
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At least it's still on http://www.eve-search.com/ !
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Cryptkiller
Minmatar Ebola Allstars
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Posted - 2010.07.04 20:04:00 -
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CCP always deletes posts which discuss TOS violations. Much like this one will. If you really need the original post use Eve Search, otherwise its still being discussed on relevant, unofficial forums.
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Balsak
Minmatar Friends of Bigfoot
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Posted - 2010.07.04 20:07:00 -
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No cover up at all. There are no posts allowed talking about cheats and exploits so it was removed to the moderated threads section while the matter is investigated. There was a post about this earlier and explained by CCP Navigator if my memory is correct, I can't be bothered to try and find the post.
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Aerilis
Gallente Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.07.04 20:09:00 -
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hurf durf python
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Barkaial Starfinder
Minmatar Conflagration.
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Posted - 2010.07.04 20:09:00 -
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Quote: Hello Netacq,
The thread in question has been moved to the moderation area of the forums in order that the subject matter can be investigated thoroughly. As is always the case with threads that discuss exploits or potential exploits we ask that you submit a bug report for QA to investigate the issue or submit a petition if you have information relevant to customer support. You can also alert the Community team by using the "Report Post" feature.
As per the forum rules, discussing exploits on the forums is not permitted as per the forum rules.
13 Do not post about bugs and exploits.
Bugs and exploits should be reported through the proper method by filing a report for our Quality Assurance department. You can find the form here. Discussions about unverified problems in the game can cause unnecessary panic in the community. When there is an issue the community needs to be aware of, we will make an official statement about it.
Thread locked.
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Lobster Man
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2010.07.04 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: Balsak No cover up at all. There are no posts allowed talking about cheats and exploits so it was removed to the moderated threads section while the matter is investigated. There was a post about this earlier and explained by CCP Navigator if my memory is correct, I can't be bothered to try and find the post.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1347767
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Balsak
Minmatar Friends of Bigfoot
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Posted - 2010.07.04 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: Lobster Man
Originally by: Balsak No cover up at all. There are no posts allowed talking about cheats and exploits so it was removed to the moderated threads section while the matter is investigated. There was a post about this earlier and explained by CCP Navigator if my memory is correct, I can't be bothered to try and find the post.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1347767
Thank you kind sir. Dinner and beer were far more important things on my list of things to do than digging up posts for people
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Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2010.07.04 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Lexa Stone There was a thread yesterday showing a video of a modified EVE client which had python code injected into it allowing the person to isntantly scan out anyone anywhere in the system. In the video it also showed numberous GM abilities in drop down menus. People were saying the client is flawed and that this can be easily replicated.
Now today that thread is missing. What the **** CCP?
Something very wrong is going on here and CCP is pulling the wool over your eyes and covering up any evidence.
If it was possible to hack or modify the eve client, do you really expect CCP to let it float around on the forums?
I dont know anything about the case you mention, but lets say for the sake of the discussion this is true, CCP would be blody stupid to let it float around the forums. Too many stupid idiots would try it out, and then CCP would have no other choice to ban them. permanently!
Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL. |
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Lexa Stone
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Posted - 2010.07.04 20:34:00 -
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No that was not the thread this is http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1347565 and it has been locked by concord see
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Spades Slick
Caldari Rookies Academy Elite The Compass
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Posted - 2010.07.04 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: Lexa Stone No that was not the thread this is http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1347565 and it has been locked by concord see
You do realize that's, like, an inside joke between CCP and the players, right?
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Balsak
Minmatar Friends of Bigfoot
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Posted - 2010.07.04 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: Lexa Stone No that was not the thread this is http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1347565 and it has been locked by concord see
The thread Lobsterman linked was the one I was talking about where CCP Navigator gave a response as to what happened to the original one from yesterday that you were talking about.
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Gladys Pank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.07.04 20:45:00 -
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Don't worry, it's easy to censor discussion of these issues than fix anything.
Give it another five years and they might do something about these loopholes.
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Pajama Sam
The Tuskers The Tusker Bastards
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Posted - 2010.07.04 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: Gladys Pank Don't worry, it's easy to censor discussion of these issues than fix anything.
Give it another five years and they might do something about these loopholes.
This, pretty much.
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Messoroz
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Posted - 2010.07.04 20:54:00 -
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Edited by: Messoroz on 04/07/2010 20:55:22 Edited by: Messoroz on 04/07/2010 20:54:03 I believe that video is the perfect example of why writing good chunks of multiplayer code in scripting language is a bad idea. The same problem exists for all unreal engine games because of its unrealscript language and has plagued it from the old versions to the current 3.0 games.
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Darth Kilth
Minmatar DRAMA Inc
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Posted - 2010.07.04 20:59:00 -
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Originally by: Messoroz Edited by: Messoroz on 04/07/2010 20:55:22 Edited by: Messoroz on 04/07/2010 20:54:03 I believe that video is the perfect example of why writing good chunks of multiplayer code in scripting language is a bad idea. The same problem exists for all unreal engine games because of its unrealscript language and has plagued it from the old versions to the current 3.0 games.
Maybe the reators of games should learn a lesson that they should make some new code for games, somethign new and original so there will not be a couple of hacks for the game in one week after release.
Of course the the hacks would be released a few days later so it would end up doing pretty much nothing.
Originally by: CCP Capslock OH GOD THE TESTING
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Messoroz
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Posted - 2010.07.04 21:06:00 -
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Edited by: Messoroz on 04/07/2010 21:07:05
Originally by: Darth Kilth
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Maybe the reators of games should learn a lesson that they should make some new code for games, somethign new and original so there will not be a couple of hacks for the game in one week after release.
The problem isn't reusing code, it's using a script language on the client side are that wide open like a prisoner bending over in a prison shower to **** without protection and serverside checks.
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Mme Pinkerton
United Engineering Services
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Posted - 2010.07.04 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Messoroz I believe that video is the perfect example of why writing good chunks of multiplayer code in scripting language is a bad idea. The same problem exists for all unreal engine games because of its unrealscript language and has plagued it from the old versions to the current 3.0 games.
Scripting languages just make the job a little easier but with administrator/root privileges (which you generally can easily get on your local machine) you can always inject code as you wish (just use a debugger, combined debugger/disassembler/visualization tools like IDA help a lot with wrapping your mind around the issue).
On the part of CCP it's basically a matter of obfuscating the relevant code enough to make things like this (i.e. code injections) impractical - you will never get rid of them (maybe if the operating system would run checksums on the code segments in memory but that would possibly affect a lot of legitimate applications that have a need to change executable code during runtime like JIT compilers).
The only real solution to this problem would be to fix it by moving more code server-side.
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Messoroz
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Posted - 2010.07.04 21:11:00 -
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Edited by: Messoroz on 04/07/2010 21:14:25 Edited by: Messoroz on 04/07/2010 21:13:35 Edited by: Messoroz on 04/07/2010 21:12:17
Originally by: Mme Pinkerton
Originally by: Messoroz I believe that video is the perfect example of why writing good chunks of multiplayer code in scripting language is a bad idea. The same problem exists for all unreal engine games because of its unrealscript language and has plagued it from the old versions to the current 3.0 games.
Scripting languages just make the job a little easier but with administrator/root privileges (which you generally can easily get on your local machine) you can always inject code as you wish (just use a debugger, combined debugger/disassembler/visualization tools like IDA help a lot with wrapping your mind around the issue).
On the part of CCP it's basically a matter of obfuscating the relevant code enough to make things like this (i.e. code injections) impractical - you will never get rid of them (maybe if the operating system would run checksums on the code segments in memory but that would possibly affect a lot of legitimate applications that have a need to change executable code during runtime like JIT compilers).
The only real solution to this problem would be to fix it by moving more code server-side.
But that's my point, scripting languages make the job ridiculously easier. Otherwise you can't inject anything without doing the work debugging the assembly. Heck, making a whole new ui element like the uber scanner in the video would require ALOT of time of debugging work to figure out the proper assembly code. The other popular code injection method I know of are when header files are leaked or are accessible like in the case for source engine games which makes life just as easy as scripting languages.
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Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.07.04 21:54:00 -
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Why am I not surprised that the client is 100% trusted to tell the server how close to the gate an autopilot warp will end, at what speed your warp ends (i.e. can go from full speed to dead stop) or that the client is furnished with the location of everyone in the system and trusted to just hide this information (or not, as that uberscanner shows).
Dear oh dear.
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Gariuys
Evil Strangers Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.04 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: Messoroz Edited by: Messoroz on 04/07/2010 21:08:41 Edited by: Messoroz on 04/07/2010 21:07:05
Originally by: Darth Kilth
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Maybe the reators of games should learn a lesson that they should make some new code for games, somethign new and original so there will not be a couple of hacks for the game in one week after release.
The problem isn't reusing code, it's using a script language on the client side are that wide open like a prisoner bending over in a prison shower to **** without protection and serverside checks.
And you really think there are no server side checks to spot injected code. EVE is 7 years old, you really think this is the first time or the last time something like this has happened?
It's python, any good programmer hell even a not so good one can really do a lot of things with the EVE client. But if you ever actually use it, you'll be the prisoner and Oveur the nerfbat.
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Gariuys
Evil Strangers Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.04 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: Messoroz But that's my point, scripting languages make the job ridiculously easier not just a little. Otherwise you can't inject anything without doing the work debugging the assembly. Heck, making a whole new ui element like the uber scanner in the video would require ALOT of time of debugging work to figure out the proper assembly code. The other popular code injection method I know of are when header files are leaked or are accessible like in the case for source engine games which makes life just as easy as scripting languages. Then there are also directx based aimbotss and stuff for shooters which were my favs to write long ago :P
Yeah but even if you take into account the extra work you need to do to prevent code injection or rather spot when it happens, the reduced development cycle when using python is still worth it.
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Ghaylenty
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Posted - 2010.07.04 22:33:00 -
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read up about it. ccp seeds the torrents to catch would-be hackers. you can manipulate the client but nothing comes of it because the relay server which interfaces with the client is completly secure.
if it worked like you imagined it would, you would have access to all server-side information, and all the customers would be at risk for having their payment information stolen. a hacked client would be the least of your concerns.
luckily your description of the problem indicates you have absolutely no clue, and as such, don't understand what the problem -really- is.
nobody's payment information is at risk because there is no risk. the client is just the client, and packet injection has been around since UO... they even had a special client for staff and family which also got released, but surprise surprise, even UO's archaeic security proved too much for any hacker and they never had a problem even though both their clients, GM and customer alike, were made open source by users.
and now you think ccp more than 10 years later has a security issue because a PYTHON BASED CLIENT became open source??
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Mah'D
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Posted - 2010.07.04 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: Ghaylenty read up about it. ccp seeds the torrents to catch would-be hackers. you can manipulate the client but nothing comes of it because the relay server which interfaces with the client is completly secure.
if it worked like you imagined it would, you would have access to all server-side information, and all the customers would be at risk for having their payment information stolen. a hacked client would be the least of your concerns.
luckily your description of the problem indicates you have absolutely no clue, and as such, don't understand what the problem -really- is.
nobody's payment information is at risk because there is no risk. the client is just the client, and packet injection has been around since UO... they even had a special client for staff and family which also got released, but surprise surprise, even UO's archaeic security proved too much for any hacker and they never had a problem even though both their clients, GM and customer alike, were made open source by users.
and now you think ccp more than 10 years later has a security issue because a PYTHON BASED CLIENT became open source??
lol.
First of all yes packet injection has been around and yes you can have checks but how much of this information is actually checked and what is actually stored are two different things. If scanning is not checked or the information stored on the server then it can be easily exploited and CCP would have no clue. The video OP refers to shows the client being used on what is obviously TQ so you are an idiot. Also who said anything about payment information? All that info would be kept on a separate server from the game anyway. If the server merely asks the client to provide certain info and you modify the client so that you have access to additional information which normal players do not, and the server accepts this as it does not check for a unique ID code of some sort identifying a GM client then it is very possible for exploits such as this to evolve. It is also not the first time this has happened. Macroers have been around and CCP does not do **** all about them. As someone else stated I am almost sure this is just the tip of the iceberg and there is much more exploitation and corruption to EVE than people know about.
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cprice39
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Posted - 2010.07.04 23:27:00 -
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i feel a conspiracy building............
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Spurty
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.07.04 23:47:00 -
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My tinfoil hat is too tight for my sun burnt ears!!! NAPS: forcing you to play 'their' game |
Sidekick John
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Posted - 2010.07.04 23:53:00 -
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Edited by: Sidekick John on 04/07/2010 23:54:09
Originally by: Chribba Standard practise. Just leave it alone until they fix the issue. Threads like this only cause more damage than good tbh.
Do you honestly believe so Cribba?
Details of a massive breach in client security has been made public, the largest in recent history, and CCP has shares no insight or information. Instead they return to their standard practise of silencing the masses leaving the community, misinformed, confused and angry. |
Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2010.07.05 00:02:00 -
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CCP must have really lumpy rugs with all the stuff they keep sweeping under them.
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Spurty
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.07.05 00:03:00 -
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There are black hat types that purposely go breaking into things that matter, contacting the owners, usually with not just details on how they got in, but fixes to stop this happening again.
This is a moral service to the companies. It's done usually because the black hat doesn't want to see the company fail or be abused secretly.
There is no blackmail or demand for money for this service. All that is given is plenty of time for the fix to be made and deployed.
If after that time expires, there is no fix, no affirmation to the problem and likely now the company has really lost money, the information released to the security teams that assemble yearly.
They then publicize the issue with much weight but no legal powers, only credibility in the news media.
I work with two people on such a panel (go MIT) and so far, nothing has come their way concerning CCP.
Therefore I have confidence that CCP doesn't ignore this stuff at all.
NAPS: forcing you to play 'their' game |
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Pr1ncess Alia
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Posted - 2010.07.05 00:12:00 -
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if the lag issues are any indication, ccp barely understands their own code anyways. anyone that did is probably off making world of twilight or something.
worst case, they won't have any idea how to fix this anyways without breaking the game further
best case, this is all a bunch of horse crap but they still have known macro users that exploit the game at our (the honest players) expense and they refuse to change the dynamics of ratting, mining to make macro's incredibly difficult or impossible.
any way you look at it it's just SNAFU/incompetence
-- A game that is significantly nonlinear is sometimes described as being open-ended or a sandbox, and is characterized by there being no "right way" of playing the game. |
Merouk Baas
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.05 00:12:00 -
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Edited by: Merouk Baas on 05/07/2010 00:13:48
Originally by: Sidekick John Edited by: Sidekick John on 04/07/2010 23:59:48 Do you honestly believe so Cribba? Details of a massive breach in client security has been made public, the largest in recent history, and CCP has shares no insight or information. Instead they return to their standard practise of silencing the masses, only leaving the community, misinformed, confused and angry.
The public will be angry anyway, and we're always misinformed and confused. Besides, there is NOTHING that we can do to fix it, it's all CCP that can and has to fix it.
So, honestly, if they want to "inform the public", I expect them to post a devblog AFTER they fix it. If they don't want to inform the public, then they'll just stick to their policies and EULA and keep quiet.
In any case, it's the weekend, and you seem to forget how a company works: Something gets posted on the forums, the mods spot it and notify the devs, and the devs will deal with it on Monday. After a meeting takes place so management can decide what to do. You seem to be of the opinion that this is huge and world-breaking and blah blah blah; it's not. So some people autopilot to 0, big ****ing deal.
EDIT: Also, two other things: 1. CCP competence. and 2. EVE Online is no longer the focus of development effort.
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Lexa Stone
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Posted - 2010.07.05 00:20:00 -
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Originally by: Merouk Baas Edited by: Merouk Baas on 05/07/2010 00:13:48
Originally by: Sidekick John Edited by: Sidekick John on 04/07/2010 23:59:48 Do you honestly believe so Cribba? Details of a massive breach in client security has been made public, the largest in recent history, and CCP has shares no insight or information. Instead they return to their standard practise of silencing the masses, only leaving the community, misinformed, confused and angry.
The public will be angry anyway, and we're always misinformed and confused. Besides, there is NOTHING that we can do to fix it, it's all CCP that can and has to fix it.
So, honestly, if they want to "inform the public", I expect them to post a devblog AFTER they fix it. If they don't want to inform the public, then they'll just stick to their policies and EULA and keep quiet.
In any case, it's the weekend, and you seem to forget how a company works: Something gets posted on the forums, the mods spot it and notify the devs, and the devs will deal with it on Monday. After a meeting takes place so management can decide what to do. You seem to be of the opinion that this is huge and world-breaking and blah blah blah; it's not. So some people autopilot to 0, big ****ing deal.
EDIT: Also, two other things: 1. CCP competence. and 2. EVE Online is no longer the focus of development effort.
LOL clearly you didnt read it or you would see it is ****ing game breaking you idiot. The client shown had the abilities of a GM. They could kill, teleport, destroy items, create items, SCAN ANYONE ANYWHERE INSTANTLY etc. This isnt about warping to 0 you dip ****. Next time read up on the info before you post garbage
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Messoroz
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Posted - 2010.07.05 00:21:00 -
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Edited by: Messoroz on 05/07/2010 00:24:47 Edited by: Messoroz on 05/07/2010 00:23:01 Edited by: Messoroz on 05/07/2010 00:21:54
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia if the lag issues are any indication, ccp barely understands their own code anyways. anyone that did is probably off making world of twilight or something.
worst case, they won't have any idea how to fix this anyways without breaking the game further
best case, this is all a bunch of horse crap but they still have known macro users that exploit the game at our (the honest players) expense and they refuse to change the dynamics of ratting, mining to make macro's incredibly difficult or impossible.
any way you look at it it's just SNAFU/incompetence
Changing the dynmaics will not affect macros at all, want to know why? Because they aren't macros anymore and haven't been for a long time. They are bots that read the screen and deduce the actions like a human would. They only way CCP can completely block them is to disable the ui.
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Merouk Baas
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.05 00:29:00 -
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Edited by: Merouk Baas on 05/07/2010 00:30:32
Originally by: Lexa Stone LOL clearly you didnt read it or you would see it is ****ing game breaking you idiot. The client shown had the abilities of a GM. They could kill, teleport, destroy items, create items, SCAN ANYONE ANYWHERE INSTANTLY etc. This isnt about warping to 0 you dip ****. Next time read up on the info before you post garbage.
I think you should relax and go have sex or something, because it really does not look like they're doing anything until Monday at the very earliest. Seriously, the rage and stress aren't healthy for you, and, over a game, it's stupid.
EDIT: I've read several boards, including the original thread (off eve-search) and a long diatribe elsewhere, and saw the youtube video too. I'm not failing to understand, I just disagree with you.
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Marlona Sky
D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.07.05 00:30:00 -
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So basically it is not even safe to log in or you could be instantly blown up from people hacking the game?
Pretty soon everyone will be forced to do meta gaming to even have a chance to survive in this game. Oh well. We would probably get more feedback from CCP if we asked about questions on DUST 514.
CCP, will there be game hacking allowed in DUST 514 like in EVE-Online? Also will all the forums for DUST 514 be a cesspool of utter crap where you can't tell who is trolling and who is being legit because you do extremely little moderation or real punishment to the trolls?
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Messoroz
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Posted - 2010.07.05 00:32:00 -
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Edited by: Messoroz on 05/07/2010 00:36:27 Edited by: Messoroz on 05/07/2010 00:36:05 Edited by: Messoroz on 05/07/2010 00:31:50
Originally by: Marlona Sky So basically it is not even safe to log in or you could be instantly blown up from people hacking the game?
Pretty soon everyone will be forced to do meta gaming to even have a chance to survive in this game. Oh well. We would probably get more feedback from CCP if we asked about questions on DUST 514.
CCP, will there be game hacking allowed in DUST 514 like in EVE-Online? Also will all the forums for DUST 514 be a cesspool of utter crap where you can't tell who is trolling and who is being legit because you do extremely little moderation or real punishment to the trolls?
The hack appears to currently be private since the youtube video was uploaded by someone who says they found it elsewhere. You won't be instapwned or anything.
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Pr1ncess Alia
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Posted - 2010.07.05 00:44:00 -
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Originally by: Messoroz
Changing the dynmaics will not affect macros at all, want to know why? Because they aren't macros anymore and haven't been for a long time. They are bots that read the screen and deduce the actions like a human would. They only way CCP can completely block them is to disable the ui.
Now your being ridiculous.
"CCP can't stop macros because it's impossible so don't even try they are as intelligent as humans"
^^look, that's me being you. look how dumb i am when i'm being you.
and it seriously took you 3 edits to write hurf derp derp???
-- A game that is significantly nonlinear is sometimes described as being open-ended or a sandbox, and is characterized by there being no "right way" of playing the game. |
Messoroz
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Posted - 2010.07.05 00:50:00 -
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Edited by: Messoroz on 05/07/2010 00:50:21
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
Originally by: Messoroz
Changing the dynmaics will not affect macros at all, want to know why? Because they aren't macros anymore and haven't been for a long time. They are bots that read the screen and deduce the actions like a human would. They only way CCP can completely block them is to disable the ui.
Now your being ridiculous.
"CCP can't stop macros because it's impossible so don't even try they are as intelligent as humans"
^^look, that's me being you. look how dumb i am when i'm being you.
and it seriously took you 3 edits to write hurf derp derp???
LOL, so you have to bash to try and make a comeback? I never said it was impossible but it will be very difficult, how you got that from what I said I'll never know.
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Sidekick John
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Posted - 2010.07.05 00:51:00 -
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Edited by: Sidekick John on 05/07/2010 00:54:45
Originally by: Lexa Stone
LOL clearly you didnt read it or you would see it is ****ing game breaking you idiot. The client shown had the abilities of a GM. They could kill, teleport, destroy items, create items, SCAN ANYONE ANYWHERE INSTANTLY etc. This isnt about warping to 0 you dip ****. Next time read up on the info before you post garbage
Calm down and stop misinterpreting information supplied.
The video shared centered only on a much enchanced directional scanner, the GM functions shown are not available as they would require special account flags. I would like to add that seeding false information was never an intent of mine, I assumed people would understand that GM functions require such roles. |
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bluenzo
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Posted - 2010.07.05 00:57:00 -
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Originally by: Sidekick John Edited by: Sidekick John on 05/07/2010 00:54:45
Originally by: Lexa Stone
LOL clearly you didnt read it or you would see it is ****ing game breaking you idiot. The client shown had the abilities of a GM. They could kill, teleport, destroy items, create items, SCAN ANYONE ANYWHERE INSTANTLY etc. This isnt about warping to 0 you dip ****. Next time read up on the info before you post garbage
Calm down and stop misinterpreting information supplied.
The video shared centered only on a much enchanced directional scanner, the GM functions shown are not available as they would require special account flags. I would like to add that seeding false information was never an intent of mine, I assumed people would understand that GM functions require such roles.
^^ this!!!
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1Ekrid1
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Posted - 2010.07.05 01:12:00 -
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Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 05/07/2010 01:13:45 I must find this thing nOW!
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
Originally by: Messoroz
Changing the dynmaics will not affect macros at all, want to know why? Because they aren't macros anymore and haven't been for a long time. They are bots that read the screen and deduce the actions like a human would. They only way CCP can completely block them is to disable the ui.
Now your being ridiculous.
"CCP can't stop macros because it's impossible so don't even try they are as intelligent as humans"
^^look, that's me being you. look how dumb i am when i'm being you.
and it seriously took you 3 edits to write hurf derp derp???
they have propagated intelligent AI into chatrooms where people can talk to them for days and believe its a real person. go ahead and google it. "chat room bots act like real people" There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess. |
wizard87
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Posted - 2010.07.05 01:21:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba Standard practise. Just leave it alone until they fix the issue. Threads like this only cause more damage than good tbh.
Why you love CCP so much?
Are you a shareholder?
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TonyCandthejets
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Posted - 2010.07.05 01:23:00 -
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Originally by: Lexa Stone There was a thread yesterday showing a video of a modified EVE client which had python code injected into it allowing the person to isntantly scan out anyone anywhere in the system. In the video it also showed numberous GM abilities in drop down menus. People were saying the client is flawed and that this can be easily replicated.
Now today that thread is missing. What the **** CCP?
Something very wrong is going on here and CCP is pulling the wool over your eyes and covering up any evidence.
Quick somebody! Call Alex Johns and Glen beck, We got a situation here!
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Pr1ncess Alia
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Posted - 2010.07.05 01:24:00 -
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Originally by: 1Ekrid1 they have propagated intelligent AI into chatrooms where people can talk to them for days and believe its a real person. go ahead and google it. "chat room bots act like real people"
nvm I can tell you're lazy so here's the link
1) only an idiot would think jabberwacky and alice and whatever else is actually a person. you'd have to be as mentally devoid as... well i guess it would probably pull one over on a few of you. point 1 conceded.
2) chatroom ai replicas are a far cry from the macro programs people use to (warp to belt, mine rock, warp to next belt). the very idea that you couldn't alter ratting and mining to make macros damn near impossible is LAUGHABLE. this isn't to mention the people writing these macros while very intelligent and skilled do not have NEAR the resources that have gone into GOOD chat ai programs.
3) seriously your talking apples and footballs
Originally by: Messoroz
LOL, so you have to bash to try and make a comeback? I never said it was impossible but it will be very difficult, how you got that from what I said I'll never know.
no i don't HAVE to bash. but your idiocy seemed to call for it . now how did i get that from what you said... oh that's right: "They only way CCP can completely block them is to disable the ui." because that is basically exactly wtf you said.
again, hurf derp derp. you should go find something to do that you don't completely fail at. probably something that doesn't involve thinking
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Khasmina
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Posted - 2010.07.05 01:27:00 -
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Originally by: Lexa Stone The client shown had the abilities of a GM. They could kill, teleport, destroy items, create items, SCAN ANYONE ANYWHERE INSTANTLY etc.
So, either someone has very cleverly hacked the client to be just like a GM client, or they have posted a video of the GM client *claiming* that it is a hack so they can cause outrage / earn ISK?
This is either someone in ISD trying to scam people, or an attempt by CCP to see how many people are willing to buy a cheat.
Personally I think CCP are probably trolling their logs trying to work out who the leak is, rather than worrying about any hacks. I doubt that any of the tools work without having account privleges set on the server.
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Messoroz
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Posted - 2010.07.05 01:32:00 -
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Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
Originally by: 1Ekrid1 they have propagated intelligent AI into chatrooms where people can talk to them for days and believe its a real person. go ahead and google it. "chat room bots act like real people"
nvm I can tell you're lazy so here's the link
1) only an idiot would think jabberwacky and alice and whatever else is actually a person. you'd have to be as mentally devoid as... well i guess it would probably pull one over on a few of you. point 1 conceded.
2) chatroom ai replicas are a far cry from the macro programs people use to (warp to belt, mine rock, warp to next belt). the very idea that you couldn't alter ratting and mining to make macros damn near impossible is LAUGHABLE. this isn't to mention the people writing these macros while very intelligent and skilled do not have NEAR the resources that have gone into GOOD chat ai programs.
3) seriously your talking apples and footballs
Originally by: Messoroz
LOL, so you have to bash to try and make a comeback? I never said it was impossible but it will be very difficult, how you got that from what I said I'll never know.
no i don't HAVE to bash. but your idiocy seemed to call for it . now how did i get that from what you said... oh that's right: "They only way CCP can completely block them is to disable the ui." because that is basically exactly wtf you said.
again, hurf derp derp. you should go find something to do that you don't completely fail at. probably something that doesn't involve thinking
hurf derp derp, completely != impossible.
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Hareld
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Posted - 2010.07.05 01:41:00 -
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Originally by: Spurty There are black hat types that purposely go breaking into things that matter, contacting the owners, usually with not just details on how they got in, but fixes to stop this happening again.
This is a moral service to the companies. It's done usually because the black hat doesn't want to see the company fail or be abused secretly.
There is no blackmail or demand for money for this service. All that is given is plenty of time for the fix to be made and deployed.
If after that time expires, there is no fix, no affirmation to the problem and likely now the company has really lost money, the information released to the security teams that assemble yearly.
They then publicize the issue with much weight but no legal powers, only credibility in the news media.
I work with two people on such a panel (go MIT) and so far, nothing has come their way concerning CCP.
Therefore I have confidence that CCP doesn't ignore this stuff at all.
this is NOT blackhat activity. the fact you called it blackhat shows you don't know what you're talking about. Therefore the rest of what you say is complete bs as well.
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Spurty
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.07.05 02:08:00 -
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Edited by: Spurty on 05/07/2010 02:11:24
Originally by: Hareld
this is NOT blackhat activity. the fact you called it blackhat shows you don't know what you're talking about. Therefore the rest of what you say is complete bs as well.
Oops i did mean white hats. I was checking out the pwnies for news if this hack.
Blackhat.com
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Xenuria
Gallente Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
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Posted - 2010.07.05 02:18:00 -
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Wow this thread is getting serious.
why is it everybody is suddenly imitating the same taught process as the OP in their responses? "My name is legion, for we are many" |
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Sidekick John
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Posted - 2010.07.05 02:23:00 -
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Originally by: Xenuria Wow this thread is getting serious.
why is it everybody is suddenly imitating the same taught process as the OP in their responses?
Monkey see, monkey do.
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Mr M
Legion of Illuminated Social Rejects
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Posted - 2010.07.05 02:30:00 -
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Ripley: Did IQs just drop sharply while I was away?
And I haven't even been away, that's what really frustrating.
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Posted - 2010.07.05 02:31:00 -
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Edited by: Genya Arikaido on 05/07/2010 02:33:15 EDITS: Grammar-spelling corrections. NOT Self-censorship...
I posted in the original topic, and successfully tested the possibility of the method outlined.
I submitted a bug report, and received a reply back. The issue is currently being worked on, and CCP is quite aware of it.
For the record: 1. You cannot access, modify, or subvert EVE to give you account information, usernames, credit cards, passwords ect. with this method, as that information is not exposed to be read by the client. SO RELAX.
2. Active use of this method will result in the action being caught by CCPs logs (OMG, yes they DO show some things. :P )
So again....
RELAX
CCP's reply to my bug report was satisfactory, as of course it has to be researched and a plan to counter it must be first developed. It won't be fixed overnight.
Also, put your tinfoil hats away, the topic exists, it was just moved to a CCP-only forum where it can be examined as an information source.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad.
Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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CCP Applebabe
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Posted - 2010.07.05 02:50:00 -
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Posting discussion on bugs and exploits are not allowed on the forums per the #13 forum rule which could be found HERE.
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