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Haio
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Posted - 2010.07.10 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: ZeJesus
Originally by: Haio Well I am acutaly already succesfuly selling robotics at 50 000 - 60 000 in regions other than Forge. And there is not much of competition.
And you are sharing this valuable info for the common good, right?
For the betterment of us all.
yeah I do, the reason is simple - to show that Robotics is still very much undervalued and Jita is the only region that have any amount of it left stockpiled.
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Darthion Illys
Amarr Tyrans d'Or Tyrans d'0r
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Posted - 2010.07.11 00:14:00 -
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I love how some people are still trying to dump their stockpiles with the current 25k prices.
Then again... they also did it at 10k/u....
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Frenden Dax
Dax Acquisitions
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Posted - 2010.07.11 00:21:00 -
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Going off sell orders in Jita, it costs about 30k to produce one unit of robotics.
The people who are selling now are crazy. But then again it's the weekend, so it would be wrong to expect anything but madness.
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Chia Mulholland
Merch Industrial
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Posted - 2010.07.11 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Frenden Dax Going off sell orders in Jita, it costs about 30k to produce one unit of robotics.
The people who are selling now are crazy. But then again it's the weekend, so it would be wrong to expect anything but madness.
30k a piece is if you base your calculations on the P2 material prices. But those are also under-valued compared to their P1 materials. If you base your calculations off of current Jita P1 (sell order) prices, it costs more than 56k to produce one unit of robotics.
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Cheque Please
Hot Like Mexico
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Posted - 2010.07.11 15:38:00 -
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Edited by: Cheque Please on 11/07/2010 15:38:34
How do we know P1 prices won't decrease?
Everyone is basing their estimates on a shaky foundation. --- WORMHOLE SERVICE RL Meeting w/ Chribba
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Fearless M0F0
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.07.11 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: SencneS I've even melted down some T2 drones because of Robotics being priced enough to make that profitable so its going to be a fine line between what customers are willing to pay and what manufactures are willing to sell for.
How did u "melt" them to get Robotics?, devhax?
This is what I get when trying to "melt" a Hammer II, no robotics: Linkage
-- I take offense on people feeling offended by me |
pmchem
Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.11 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Cheque Please Edited by: Cheque Please on 11/07/2010 15:38:34
How do we know P1 prices won't decrease?
Everyone is basing their estimates on a shaky foundation.
My shaky foundation is the price history of robotics and similar previously npc-seeded goods, which are shooting up like rockets. Real rockets, not the busted Eve rockets.
Anyway - p0/p1 may decrease a bit, but it's more likely that they only decrease slightly (if at all), and the undervalued previously npc seeded p2/p3 products continue to rise. It makes both economic sense and is supported by all evidence to date.
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ZeJesus
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Posted - 2010.07.11 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Fearless M0F0
Originally by: SencneS I've even melted down some T2 drones because of Robotics being priced enough to make that profitable so its going to be a fine line between what customers are willing to pay and what manufactures are willing to sell for.
How did u "melt" them to get Robotics?, devhax?
This is what I get when trying to "melt" a Hammer II, no robotics: Linkage
Yes, there's some issue with the info displayed. You need to reprocess at least 5000 units and you'll receive the PI materials no probs. It will not be displayed in the reprocess windows though!!!
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Fearless M0F0
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.07.11 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: ZeJesus Yes, there's some issue with the info displayed. You need to reprocess at least 5000 units and you'll receive the PI materials no probs. It will not be displayed in the reprocess windows though!!!
OMG! Really?... *melts 5000 Ogre II*... OH! YOU BASTARD!
I was basically calling out his bs in the most polite way possible
Not sure what is his agenda but he is clearly worthy of a forum ignore for all the bs he is posting -- I take offense on people feeling offended by me |
ZeJesus
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Posted - 2010.07.11 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Fearless M0F0
Originally by: ZeJesus Yes, there's some issue with the info displayed. You need to reprocess at least 5000 units and you'll receive the PI materials no probs. It will not be displayed in the reprocess windows though!!!
OMG! Really?... *melts 5000 Ogre II*... OH! YOU BASTARD!
I was basically calling out his bs in the most polite way possible
Not sure what is his agenda but he is clearly worthy of a forum ignore for all the bs he is posting
Trying to sell some Ogre IIs here.
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Jack Coutu
Gallente Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2010.07.11 17:29:00 -
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I'm pretty pleased with my potential profit. I sold off alot of PI things to get some ISK early, now I have reinvested (robotics at 9500ish) and CE when it dropped shortly after the sell off. I am amazed at the ISK some will make from this, however it should be interesting to see how high robotics hits. My personal bet is 60K, maybe 70K for a few hours, before it crashes.
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Chia Mulholland
Merch Industrial
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Posted - 2010.07.11 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Cheque Please Edited by: Cheque Please on 11/07/2010 15:38:34
How do we know P1 prices won't decrease?
Everyone is basing their estimates on a shaky foundation.
How do we know they won't go up?
Things are moving right now until the whole economy stabilizes. One thing is a fact, though. Right now P1 mats for robotics and robotics themselves are out of whack and robotics are very cheap compared to the P1 mats required to make them.
Maybe the P1 mats will drop by 50% to reach an equilibrium. Maybe robotics will go up 100%. Maybe something in-between will happen.
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Kwaya
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Posted - 2010.07.12 19:14:00 -
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It seems the spike is behind us. Robotics has started to dive (just as Consumer Electronics). Guess it's over now.
So much for the great predictions about CE reaching 7k
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MMarlon
SRBI Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.07.12 19:26:00 -
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Just a small hickup on materials used for Robotics; the trend become bubble and bubble bursts. Ya, it'l go up imo, soon.
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FilterRelease
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Posted - 2010.07.12 20:19:00 -
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weekend warriors took profits by selling their holds. They will climb back up as they are consumed.
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Guilliman R
Gallente PRO Space Hunters HUNTER'S BROTHERHOOD
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Posted - 2010.07.12 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: FilterRelease weekend warriors took profits by selling their holds. They will climb back up as they are consumed.
This pretty much. |
Saehta
Sigillum Militum Xpisti R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.07.12 21:06:00 -
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As has been noted, there is still growth in robotics. As a P3 and with the amount of use it finds itself in, this item is headed up for a while. That said, it isn't immune to the weekly tides of prices. -----------------------------------
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Supervisor Grammel
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Posted - 2010.07.13 16:18:00 -
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Looks like the sudden in-flow of CE by sell orders caused a serious drop in buy orders. The new info about missions dropping CE could have something to do with this.
I still believe the correct price will settle around 5-6k with time.
Either that, or I have absolutely no idea what's going on
I think it's a fluctation.
I see no logic in CE remaining below 3k, even with mission drop.
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Kwaya
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Posted - 2010.07.13 17:10:00 -
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Quite simply put: all the manipulators who bought CE above 2k for resale are now losing a great amount of iskie
Don't be ridiculous, it won't go up to 5k. It won't even make it above 4k. You're lucky if you can sell it for 2-2.5k. That is, if you act quickly.
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Vilgan Mazran
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2010.07.13 17:34:00 -
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lol at all the attempts to crash things. Markets move in waves, up and down up and down. Anyone who thought robotics was going to take a straight line up to 40k was moronic. I bought around 700k at 17k, sold em 5-6 days later for 27. Will most likely buy again if it drops below 20. If you don't have a feeling for how things fluctuate, then just buy low and hold on for a while. If you do, then buy low and sell high like everything else on the market.
npc sold P2s work the same way, wavelike motion with an upwards trending for most products. Someone decided to liquidate stock this past weekend and crashed buy orders on pretty much every single P2 previously sold by NPCs. Hence, prices are down. Now everything will recover and trend upwards until someone else does the same thing... and then again until the stockpiles are exhausted. Look at places where the stockpiles ARE exhausted for less manipulated values.. coolant, EU (that's still too high though), and mechanical parts to a lesser degree.
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pmchem
Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.13 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Kwaya
Quite simply put: all the manipulators who bought CE above 2k for resale are now losing a great amount of iskie
Don't be ridiculous, it won't go up to 5k. It won't even make it above 4k. You're lucky if you can sell it for 2-2.5k. That is, if you act quickly.
A safe rule of thumb is to be skeptical of market advice coming from anyone using the term "iskie".
Consumer Elec was highly stockpiled; periodic selloffs from people who need to cash out are to be expected. In the long term, it's still ridiculously underpriced compared to its inputs and one of the most commonly used P2s (as both a manuf/research item and input for Robotics creation). CE will be among the highest priced P2s once stockpilers are done selling. It's a safe investment which takes time to pay off. Buy it and forget about it.
If you don't have the isk to make investments like this, you probably should be involved in margin trading or mission running / ratting elsewhere.
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IceFyre S18
Zulu Labs Zulu People
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Posted - 2010.07.13 21:42:00 -
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At this prices for Mech. Parts and Cons. El. spike down is ahead imo. I'm enough of Robotics.
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Widemouth Deepthroat
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Posted - 2010.07.14 05:41:00 -
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by looking at the new extraction rate on SiSi we can expect robotics to drop to half or less of current price imo.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.07.14 06:25:00 -
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Originally by: Widemouth Deepthroat by looking at the new extraction rate on SiSi we can expect robotics to drop to half or less of current price imo.
New SiSi extraction rates would be what?
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Grozen
Caldari Titan Core New Eden Research.
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Posted - 2010.07.14 06:54:00 -
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Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Originally by: Widemouth Deepthroat by looking at the new extraction rate on SiSi we can expect robotics to drop to half or less of current price imo.
New SiSi extraction rates would be what?
Nothing new guy is just trying to get cheap stuff.I went there and i didn't see anything that could be assumed as huge extraction rate.You'd need least 10k extraction+100k m3 space starports if you want to change pi and that sure ain't coming.Plus it would make dust absolutely useless. knowledge is power |
Aeriella Taneth
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Posted - 2010.07.14 07:05:00 -
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Increasing extraction rates would be a 'wtfrudoin' move by CCP. PI is not exactly at L4-mission-running levels of income; hell, in highsec it's not even at afk-ice-mining-in-a-Hulk levels. The only reason that people (note: humans, not macros) will do it long-term is if there's something approximately useful about it. 50m or so a month is not useful or worth the time; even rookie players can make that in about two hours running L4 mission.
While CCP probably does not want to see a large POS cost 400m a month to run, they equally won't smother PI right off the bat. Can we expect tweaks to extraction rates and whatnot EVENTUALLY? Yeah, probably. In the next month? I doubt it.
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Kilab Gercias
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Posted - 2010.07.14 08:04:00 -
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a Big step forward would be two things:
1.A Overview where you see, you see the Extractors running and how long. So with one click you get a overview whats your planets are doing
2. Allow mulit extractor start with one mouse click.
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mental maverick
Duty. Duty. Private Security
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Posted - 2010.07.14 10:57:00 -
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Originally by: Kilab Gercias a Big step forward would be two things:
1.A Overview where you see, you see the Extractors running and how long. So with one click you get a overview whats your planets are doing
2. Allow mulit extractor start with one mouse click.
1: This is a nice idea and I think we will defiantly see improvements on the PI UI in the future.
2: This is what I've been thinking aswell but tbh, this will just make things a lot less hassle free. I doubt it will effect profit/active time. If things get easier it will only effect prices of the products and not so much you profit/active time spent on your PI activity. If anything it will probably decrease your profit/active time as the easier an activity is the more ppl tend to flock to it. However this is without taking any possible macroing into account which I think has a more detrimental effect on an activity the more time consuming and generally PITA it is.
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Slavemaster
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Posted - 2010.07.14 20:16:00 -
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"bobble" The smart Traders have left this segment, the less smart will sell of their assets, the idiots will believe that it will go higher...
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Saehta
Sigillum Militum Xpisti R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.07.15 17:32:00 -
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The man above me speaks truth, now is the time to cash out. Pay no attention to the rising buy orders please. -----------------------------------
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