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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2010.07.11 18:39:00 -
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Aren't wormhole systems named after their locus coordinates? -------- All I want is a better mankind.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2010.07.11 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: Gecko O'Bac Sources? I'd like to comment only after having read the original source but I kinda think that while the Jove may have known what was going to happen, they weren't the race that prepared everything in the first place.
Sorry, got my memory mixed up. Thought the Thukkers hacked the drones but instead the Blood Raiders did get the code from their boss. Though it may have been provided by the Society of Conscious thought. Chronicle: End of the World, The Great Harvest -------- All I want is a better mankind.
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Gecko O'Bac
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.07.11 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar Aren't wormhole systems named after their locus coordinates?
They are? No idea... But if they do then the locus in question is clearly the location of something.
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Messoroz
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Posted - 2010.07.11 19:42:00 -
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Surprised we aren't looking at empire space for more hints, the Ani constellation cosmos sites have sleeper drops/some missions require sleeper items.
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Wyke Mossari
Gallente Staner Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.11 20:24:00 -
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Tlalocan is the first level of the "upper worlds", or 'heavens' in the language of ancient Nahuatl-speaking peoples of central america e.g. The Aztecs. The similarity with Talocan seems remarkable.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.07.12 06:11:00 -
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Messoroz said"Surprised we aren't looking at empire space for more hints, the Ani constellation cosmos sites have sleeper drops/some missions require sleeper items." Those where added into the game years back before wormholes and new sleepers where planed out. The old content has been abandoned for a long time with some of it broke.
I did look into it still and even trained up the sleeper technology skill book. But so far found nothing and I don't expect to.
______ How to Passive Shield Tank T2
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Eventy One
Magellan Exploration and Survey THAT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.12 07:43:00 -
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Here's proof drones in empire are busy working on a Jovian battle station. What you say? Pics ... or it didn't happen!
Ok.
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Nareg Maxence
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.12 08:44:00 -
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?? The two things look nothing alike.
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Guttripper
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.07.12 08:45:00 -
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Here is something to ponder - have we pilots read and / or seen everything involved with this grand puzzle or will CCP continue to release small fragments in various ways that may or may not appear as puzzle pieces? As much as we can speculate, perhaps there are still pieces to be found and pondered into the future, pieces CCP has yet to release, confusing us even further...
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Sekretarka
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Posted - 2010.07.12 09:01:00 -
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Originally by: Nareg Maxence ?? The two things look nothing alike.
You obviously need your eyes checked friend!
On the side note, could be CCP artist just reusing and modifying existing asset.
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2010.07.12 09:11:00 -
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Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 12/07/2010 09:11:51
Originally by: Eventy One Here's proof drones in empire are busy working on a Jovian battle station. What you say? Pics ... or it didn't happen!
Ok.
Nice find. It is quite clear that the texture on these two parts are exactly the same. But from this angle the two structures looking nothing alike. On the Jove station the spikes goes away from the central structure while on the drone structure the spikes point towards a gaping hole on the middle of the structure.
I would not be so quick to jump to conclusions as from other drones structures, which I sadly do not have pictures of, we know that drones often construct their hives out of parts they scavenge (the Gallente station fused with two Megatrons springs to mind). I suspect that is the case here too. Further, the other half-build drone structure looks more like a ball (the Death Star?) than a Jove station.
---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute - EVE Online Lorebook
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Cobalt Sixty
Caldari Intercision
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Posted - 2010.07.12 09:52:00 -
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Originally by: Eventy One Here's proof drones in empire are busy working on a Jovian battle station. What you say? Pics ... or it didn't happen!
Ok.
That is a really nice find. Either intended or a design oversight on the part of CCP, interesting none the less.
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Nareg Maxence
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.12 11:02:00 -
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Well, are you sure it's not just a matter of every futuristic alien-looking construct ending up looking like a pine cone? :)
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Eventy One
Magellan Exploration and Survey THAT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.12 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: Jowen Datloran Nice find. It is quite clear that the texture on these two parts are exactly the same. But from this angle the two structures looking nothing alike. On the Jove station the spikes goes away from the central structure while on the drone structure the spikes point towards a gaping hole on the middle of the structure.
I agree .. mostly. I think the reason for the difference is the drone structure is under construction. The parts that were done were strikingly similar to the Jove battle-station, except glowing blood red rather than neon green.
The textures were close, not exact, but the shapes (the mesh) were dead on (save for the incomplete bottom).
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Emanuelle Jasmine
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.07.12 13:32:00 -
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thats what you call asset recycling
CCP mission Dev: I have made a drone mission but i need some new drone structure, make one art dept.! CCP art guy: I will just reuse this never-used jovian station and color change all green to red, no one will ever know and you have your model ready today. CCP mission dev: Great, GOGO rapid mission development!
... months later
EVE player with no life at all: w00t!!! after all this years of comparing art ingame to find proof for my tinfoilhattery, this drone structure looks like a jovian battlestation! my life was not fn vein! |
Raydn James
Erlang Biolabs Mass - Effect
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Posted - 2010.07.12 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Eventy One Here's proof drones in empire are busy working on a Jovian battle station. What you say? Pics ... or it didn't happen!
Ok.
dude, your armor...
[sorry, had too]
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Gecko O'Bac
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.07.12 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Eventy One
Originally by: Jowen Datloran Nice find. It is quite clear that the texture on these two parts are exactly the same. But from this angle the two structures looking nothing alike. On the Jove station the spikes goes away from the central structure while on the drone structure the spikes point towards a gaping hole on the middle of the structure.
I agree .. mostly. I think the reason for the difference is the drone structure is under construction. The parts that were done were strikingly similar to the Jove battle-station, except glowing blood red rather than neon green.
The textures were close, not exact, but the shapes (the mesh) were dead on (save for the incomplete bottom).
The similarity is striking but this is old IIRC... At this point I wouldn't place too much faith on old ingame info... We know that it's contradictory in some cases. Anyway what can we obtain from this knowledge? Perhaps the rogue drones found somewhere Jovian info? Perhaps these particular drones are no longer "Rogue" but have been enslaved again by the jove? Perhaps they found the hulk of an ancient Jove construct?
Or, more likely, they used the same model without thinking about background info... That imho should be the default assumption regarding old "background" info, basically everything that is in the empire and predates Apocrypha (unless it can be reasonably proved otherwise)
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Eventy One
Magellan Exploration and Survey THAT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.12 14:12:00 -
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Edited by: Eventy One on 12/07/2010 14:12:55
Originally by: Raydn James
dude, your armor...
[sorry, had too]
You try taking on hundreds of drones in only a frigate!
(Well ... OK ... maybe not hundreds ... but at least 30!)
Notice what the showinfo says for the drone construct: This gigantic superstructure was built by the effort of thousands of rogue drones. While the structure appears to be incomplete, its intended shape remains a mystery to the cluess carbon-baed lifeforms.
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Ebisu Kami
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Posted - 2010.07.12 14:19:00 -
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Edited by: Ebisu Kami on 12/07/2010 14:25:19
Originally by: Gecko O'Bac The similarity is striking but this is old IIRC... At this point I wouldn't place too much faith on old ingame info... We know that it's contradictory in some cases. Anyway what can we obtain from this knowledge? Perhaps the rogue drones found somewhere Jovian info? Perhaps these particular drones are no longer "Rogue" but have been enslaved again by the jove? Perhaps they found the hulk of an ancient Jove construct?
Or, more likely, they used the same model without thinking about background info... That imho should be the default assumption regarding old "background" info, basically everything that is in the empire and predates Apocrypha (unless it can be reasonably proved otherwise)
There are some really really minor aspects, which have some similarity, but talking about "having the same model" is so far from beeing even remotly the case...
It's like assuming that the Omen is a Calamari-ship, because it looks like a bird, which Calamari are known to name their ships after.
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Gecko O'Bac
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.07.12 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Ebisu Kami Edited by: Ebisu Kami on 12/07/2010 14:25:19 There are some really really minor aspects, which have some similarity, but talking about "having the same model" is so far from beeing even remotly the case...
It's like assuming that the Omen is a Calamari-ship, because it looks like a bird, which Calamari are known to name their ships after.
"Minor aspects"? Did you even look up at those images? Also model != texture. Yes the mesh are different (and not all that different, mostly it's just a recolouring. But the base model is pretty much the same, with the exception that the drone structure is made to look as if incomplete (it even says that much in the show info), while the Jovian structure is complete.
Like I said it looks to me as if it's just a case of asset recycling, and not really a tidbit of info about something that is happening between Jove and Drones, at least not until we find more info that points in the same direction
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Ebisu Kami
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Posted - 2010.07.12 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: Gecko O'Bac "Minor aspects"? Did you even look up at those images? Also model != texture. Yes the mesh are different (and not all that different, mostly it's just a recolouring. But the base model is pretty much the same, with the exception that the drone structure is made to look as if incomplete (it even says that much in the show info), while the Jovian structure is complete.
Like I said it looks to me as if it's just a case of asset recycling, and not really a tidbit of info about something that is happening between Jove and Drones, at least not until we find more info that points in the same direction
Do I really have to point out that gigantic gaping hole right in the middle, where the actual main-body of the Jove-station would be? Really all that looks even remotely similar are those pylons and they could very well just be scrap-parts salvaged by the rogue drones, from a long lost and abandoned Jove-Station.
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Eventy One
Magellan Exploration and Survey THAT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.12 16:12:00 -
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Edited by: Eventy One on 12/07/2010 16:17:50
Originally by: Ebisu Kami Do I really have to point out that gigantic gaping hole right in the middle, where the actual main-body of the Jove-station would be? Really all that looks even remotely similar are those pylons and they could very well just be scrap-parts salvaged by the rogue drones, from a long lost and abandoned Jove-Station.
Before you do - please read the description of the item again. Let me help:
IT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION!!!
Items under construction, generally ARE NOT FINISHED.
I don't disagree that the drones could merely be using Jove technology (rather than building a station) but that also raises the obvious question where did they get that technology in the first place in empire?
Do you happen to know of any other Jove battle-stations in empire? What about old Jove scrap heaps?
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2010.07.12 16:41:00 -
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We do know that there is plenty of Jove scrap around in our part of space, even if we as players do not see it. For example, that is how the Angels developed their ships. Further, the Empyrian Age novel does mention that the Jove have been cloaking objects they do not want others to find. But huge swarms of drones would be bound to bump into these at some point or another.
I will stand by the salvage theory unless you can show other drone structures or artifacts that looks anything Jove.
---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute - EVE Online Lorebook
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Ebisu Kami
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Posted - 2010.07.12 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: Eventy One Before you do - please read the description of the item again. Let me help:
IT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION!!!
And you would start constructing a space-station by building the things that are located most remote from the central point of the station, even before you constructed any core-structure? Beyond that, rogue-drones do not even need anything like a space-station, given they are not depending on any kind of athmosphere or sealed gravity-environment to survive. Them building a space-station for their own use is like ants building a submarine. All they need is a place where they can get shelter, raw materials, can repair themselves and reproduce, not a Jove-Space-Station-Lookalike. Literally any landfill suits their needs and wasting time and resources on non-efficient things like aesthetical design are clearly beyond their needs, as is clearly proven in various exploration-sites.
Originally by: Eventy One I don't disagree that the drones could merely be using Jove technology (rather than building a station) but that also raises the obvious question where did they get that technology in the first place in empire?
Do you happen to know of any other Jove battle-stations in empire? What about old Jove scrap heaps?
Oh come on. There's more then enough space for ancient and derelict things drifting around, which could be afloat since millenias and nobody would have ever come across. If your arguement were valid, then how did all the pirate-complexes were able to be established in Empire-space, that thousands of players burn down for missions and explorations? These remains there could be thousands of years old or could just as well derive from a massive rogue-drone-invasion of a remote Jove-outpost. Jove plotting with Rogue-drones and showing them how to build "obvious" Jove-stations right in the eyesight of everyone, doesn't really stand Okham's Razor.
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Eventy One
Magellan Exploration and Survey THAT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.12 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Ebisu Kami Jove plotting with Rogue-drones and showing them how to build "obvious" Jove-stations right in the eyesight of everyone, doesn't really stand Okham's Razor.
Woah!
The argument is not that the Jove are plotting with rogue drones. No one made that assertion. I made the assertion the Drones were building a Jovian station. I provided pics.
Your assertion was that they looked nothing alike. I and others have pointed out that they look remarkably alike.
Lets not set up a staw-man to argue against.
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Ebisu Kami
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Posted - 2010.07.12 17:12:00 -
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Edited by: Ebisu Kami on 12/07/2010 17:19:30
Originally by: Eventy One The argument is not that the Jove are plotting with rogue drones. No one made that assertion. I made the assertion the Drones were building a Jovian station.
Then give me one sensible reason, why, according to your interpretation, rogue-drones are building a Jove Space Station.
For themselves? I really doubt that, because they simply have no need for an air-sealed gravity-environment and hence would never ever invest precious ressources and energy into that.
Altruistic behaviour because they like the Jove and want to make them a nice gift? Right...
Because Rogue-drones like the looks of Jove design? Oh come on...
But hey, maybe the Rogue-drones worship the Jove and believe, that they can summon Jove by building something where Jove are usually around?
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Raydn James
Erlang Biolabs Mass - Effect
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Posted - 2010.07.12 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Ebisu Kami
But hey, maybe the Rogue-drones worship the Jove and believe, that they can summon Jove by building something where Jove are usually around?
If you build it, they will come.
Hey, It's worked before.
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Eventy One
Magellan Exploration and Survey THAT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.12 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Ebisu Kami Then give me one sensible reason, why, according to your interpretation, rogue-drones are building a Jove Space Station.
Like all story lines involving the drones I wouldn't presume to know their motivations.
I know simply that they are either building a Jovian station, or they are building a hive using a Jovian station.
Either of those scenarios are intriguing.
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Wyke Mossari
Gallente Staner Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.12 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: Ebisu Kami
But hey, maybe the Rogue-drones worship the Jove and believe, that they can summon Jove by building something where Jove are usually around?
Strangely similar to Cargo Cults
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Legion
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Posted - 2010.07.12 20:39:00 -
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I have seen that before, and that doesnt prove anything about drones building a jove battlestation or what ever.
Ever consider that the jove lost to them and it is now infested?
What about the drone dominixes?
See this is why i dont RP, politics and speculation is worse than 0.0 politics.
Plus im willing to bet its an oversight from CCP cause those have been in lvl 4 missions for a long time. Plus i have also seen it in some cosmos missions where it said it was a drone hive, yadda yadda yadda.
ok my point, CCP re-uses a lot of models to do stuff.
As they saying goes, believe only half of what you see, and nothing that you hear
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