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Jagga Spikes
Minmatar Spikes Chop Shop
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Posted - 2010.07.07 12:25:00 -
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considering anything can be entered in "first" and "last" name fields, i don't see how revealing it would reduce negative side of forum life. ________________________________ : Forum Bore 'Em : Foamy The Squirrel - [jedi handwave] "There is no spoon." |
Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.07.07 12:26:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 07/07/2010 12:29:35
Originally by: Ava Starfire Anyone who thinks this is actually an OK idea, go ahead and post your real name.
You're not allowed to do that in the EVE forums as per current still-standing rules, even if you wanted to
...also...
These guys have their real names already made public. They're also high-profile EVE players who more than likely did step on quite a few toes so far. How about we ask THEM how much harassment were they subjected to in real-life already.
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Dan O'Connor
Cerberus Network Dignitas.
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Posted - 2010.07.07 12:26:00 -
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Originally by: Jagga Spikes considering anything can be entered in "first" and "last" name fields, i don't see how revealing it would reduce negative side of forum life.
Maybe you don't have a choice of that either... maybe they are using the credit card info
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Creepy Goat
Schindlers Ignore List
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Posted - 2010.07.07 12:29:00 -
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Edited by: Creepy Goat on 07/07/2010 12:29:46
Originally by: Dan O'Connor
Originally by: Jagga Spikes considering anything can be entered in "first" and "last" name fields, i don't see how revealing it would reduce negative side of forum life.
Maybe you don't have a choice of that either... maybe they are using the credit card info
Confirmed. They take your billing/account name used when you first created your account as your name. That name is unchangable and if you used a fake name, you cannot get any support if you forget your password or get hacked.
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Ava Starfire
Minmatar Nordanverdr Modr
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Posted - 2010.07.07 12:32:00 -
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Edited by: Ava Starfire on 07/07/2010 12:33:57
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Ava Starfire Anyone who thinks this is actually an OK idea, go ahead and post your real name.
You're not allowed to do that in the EVE forums as per current still-standing rules, even if you wanted to
Of all people, Akita, I would have expected you to detect the sarcasm.
The reasons you outline (phone calls, junk mail) are not the worst possible ones. We do sadly live in a world of sick idiots, and people will go to extreme lengths for revenge, for the smallest perceived wrongs. Identity theft, IRL harassment (a friend of mine indeed actually lost her job, due to the actions of other players in SWG) et cetera. I would love some accountability on the forums to cut down on the shiptoasting, but I think the cure is a lot worse than the disease in this case.
I have received RL threats in this game. I really dont want the possibility that it could escalate beyond eve mail and crying in local.
Besides, thanfully, I do not see CCP implementing something like this. Space is fun! |
Jagga Spikes
Minmatar Spikes Chop Shop
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Posted - 2010.07.07 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Dan O'Connor
Originally by: Jagga Spikes considering anything can be entered in "first" and "last" name fields, i don't see how revealing it would reduce negative side of forum life.
Maybe you don't have a choice of that either... maybe they are using the credit card info
not everyone that plays has a credit card. people find a way, without even going to shady side. name of one that pays doesn't have to be name of one that plays. ________________________________ : Forum Bore 'Em : Foamy The Squirrel - [jedi handwave] "There is no spoon." |
Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.07.07 12:35:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 07/07/2010 12:36:05
Originally by: Ava Starfire Of all people, Akita, I would have expected you to detect the sarcasm.
Sarcasm doesn't convey well in writing alone. See my significantly longer answer on the previous page to a similar request for a good reason why I didn't think it was a sarcastic post. Also, at least some of your other objections were touched on in the P.S. of that longer post.
Either way, CCP//EVE would never have that (other than the weird exception for CSM members), so it's a moot point.
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Demolishar
United Aggression Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.07.07 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
To this end, I suggest that rather than linking all characters to a RL name, they should just link all characters together - so it's possible to see which alt belongs to who.
How?
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.07.07 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake To this end, I suggest that rather than linking all characters to a RL name, they should just link all characters together - so it's possible to see which alt belongs to who.
What Demolishar wanted to say is that it's virtually next to impossible thanks to the wonders of multiple payment methods, some of which are as good as anonymous themselves.
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.07.07 12:42:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 07/07/2010 12:29:35
Originally by: Ava Starfire Anyone who thinks this is actually an OK idea, go ahead and post your real name.
You're not allowed to do that in the EVE forums as per current still-standing rules, even if you wanted to
...also...
These guys have their real names already made public. They're also high-profile EVE players who more than likely did step on quite a few toes so far. How about we ask THEM how much harassment were they subjected to in real-life already.
How about we ask the Blizzard Community Moderator how much harassment he's getting after revealing his name?
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Demolishar
United Aggression Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.07.07 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Rodj Blake To this end, I suggest that rather than linking all characters to a RL name, they should just link all characters together - so it's possible to see which alt belongs to who.
What Demolishar wanted to say is that it's virtually next to impossible thanks to the wonders of multiple payment methods, some of which are as good as anonymous themselves.
Especially the 50-day free accounts you can get every month per character you own.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.07.07 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis How about we ask the Blizzard Community Moderator how much harassment he's getting after revealing his name?
How about we ask any journalist how much harassment they're getting after publishing an article, or any person in real-life after saying something ? And how's that so radically different from some guy posting ? People take far, far more liberties than they would in real-life when they think they're protected by the cloak of anonymity (or in other words, a lot feel free to be total jerkwads because there's no drawback), and maybe, just maybe, that's not something you really want to have on a forum.
Then again, for at least the 3rd time, it's a completely moot discussion anyway, because CCP would never do that. Ferchrissakes, they forbid us to willingly disclose our own personal info, whatever possessed the OP to think CCP would ever consider doing anything like this "RealID" thing Blizzard is considering doing is beyond me.
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Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.07.07 12:57:00 -
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Real Life details and home addresses on killmails would be better. ---
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Mashie Saldana
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.07 13:01:00 -
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If you really have to hide your real name in EVE as a long time card payment customer it can be done. Just create a new account using paypal or similar with fake name, then just transfer your trolling chars across. Sure, not free, but can be done if needed.
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BoBoZoBo
Foundation
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Posted - 2010.07.07 13:18:00 -
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Agreed - RealID is problably the only thing that would make me quit EVE without hesitation. =========================
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Celestine Santora
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Posted - 2010.07.07 13:21:00 -
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From what I've seen so far, Real ID seems like an absolutely fantastic idea and CCP should adopt it as soon as possible.
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Jagga Spikes
Minmatar Spikes Chop Shop
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Posted - 2010.07.07 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: Celestine Santora From what I've seen so far, Real ID seems like an absolutely fantastic idea and CCP should adopt it as soon as possible.
so you can wonder why someone would be named "First Name Last Name"? :) ________________________________ : Forum Bore 'Em : Foamy The Squirrel - [jedi handwave] "There is no spoon." |
Miilla
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Posted - 2010.07.07 13:28:00 -
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Edited by: Miilla on 07/07/2010 13:36:09
Security Flaw in Real Id? never
So far I have probably opened 30 Sexual harassment petitions and 12 real life physical threat petitions.
How will CCP protect me when they have my Real Name, and thus able to mine for more information.
If CCP implement this, I want all my post history DELETED and I will never post again in the forums :)
I imagine I wouldnt be alone in that.
Can you imagine all the children that play EVE and WoW etc that need parental consent forms signed out, how would you react if your child's name was published and then was getting "predatory" attention by perverts. They do exist you know. Given the fact I have had to report some perverts in EVE myself along with violent threateners, put your child in that positon.
I would imagine most parents wouldnt like it. And yes, children play Eve.
Safer solution, remove the forum completely. Use the ingame petition system as it is or improve it.
Put the moderators out of a job, thats what I say because I dont want THIS to happen.
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.07.07 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Malcanis How about we ask the Blizzard Community Moderator how much harassment he's getting after revealing his name?
How about we ask any journalist how much harassment they're getting after publishing an article, or any person in real-life after saying something ?
You might want to pick a different example...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veronica_Guerin
Meanwhile:
http://rt.com/Top_News/2008-01-17/Online_game_rivalry_ends_with_real_life_murder.html
http://www.brighthub.com/video-games/mmo/articles/28809.aspx
http://speakingkorea.com/2010/03/16/online-game-obsession-in-korea-brings-deaths-and-murder/
Yeah, no. Given the strong feelings this game generates, I'd prefer real names be kept out of it.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2010.07.07 13:30:00 -
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I wasn't going to say this but seeing as it will be ruined if RealID is implemented I can just as well say it now.
Hi, I'm Chuck Norris.
/c
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Dan O'Connor
Cerberus Network Dignitas.
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Posted - 2010.07.07 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba I wasn't going to say this but seeing as it will be ruined if RealID is implemented I can just as well say it now.
Hi, I'm Chuck Norris.
/c
If you have 1 million Veld, and Chuck Norris has 1 million Veld, then Chuck Norris has more Veld than you.
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Lt Angus
Caldari the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2010.07.07 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Malcanis How about we ask the Blizzard Community Moderator how much harassment he's getting after revealing his name?
How about we ask any journalist how much harassment they're getting after publishing an article, or any person in real-life after saying something ? And how's that so radically different from some guy posting ? People take far, far more liberties than they would in real-life when they think they're protected by the cloak of anonymity (or in other words, a lot feel free to be total jerkwads because there's no drawback), and maybe, just maybe, that's not something you really want to have on a forum.
Then again, for at least the 3rd time, it's a completely moot discussion anyway, because CCP would never do that. Ferchrissakes, they forbid us to willingly disclose our own personal info, whatever possessed the OP to think CCP would ever consider doing anything like this "RealID" thing Blizzard is considering doing is beyond me.
When I used to host the corp website id get real life threats, blowing up carebears life savings is risky business please resize your signature to the maximum allowed file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers |
Pewchew
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.07.07 13:37:00 -
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Edited by: Pewchew on 07/07/2010 13:40:22 Possibly the worst idea in the history of MMOs.
Blizzard are an absolute disgrace for putting something like that through. Real-life and the internet should never mix. I'm very surprised it's even legal.
They have had staff members and forum mods announce they are leaving over this to. Also look at their stocks since they made the announcement :P
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.07 13:43:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba I wasn't going to say this but seeing as it will be ruined if RealID is implemented I can just as well say it now.
Hi, I'm Chuck Norris.
/c
And I'm Samuel L Jackson.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Celestine Santora
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Posted - 2010.07.07 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Lt Angus
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Malcanis How about we ask the Blizzard Community Moderator how much harassment he's getting after revealing his name?
How about we ask any journalist how much harassment they're getting after publishing an article, or any person in real-life after saying something ? And how's that so radically different from some guy posting ? People take far, far more liberties than they would in real-life when they think they're protected by the cloak of anonymity (or in other words, a lot feel free to be total jerkwads because there's no drawback), and maybe, just maybe, that's not something you really want to have on a forum.
Then again, for at least the 3rd time, it's a completely moot discussion anyway, because CCP would never do that. Ferchrissakes, they forbid us to willingly disclose our own personal info, whatever possessed the OP to think CCP would ever consider doing anything like this "RealID" thing Blizzard is considering doing is beyond me.
When I used to host the corp website id get real life threats, blowing up carebears life savings is risky business
You really think carebears too scared to have their imaginary space ships blown up would make death threats if their own names were explosed?
Long story short, I'm glad Blizzard is leading the way on this. The whole idea of "internet handles" is antiquated and it's about time we get rid of them. We all have names, no reason not to use them.
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Abbot Laarkin
Order Of Mystical Mountain Monks
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Posted - 2010.07.07 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Snip..
...so no, I don't have a problem with giving out just about any kind of personal info. And I gladly do it here too if it would be allowed, but it's not.
Out of curiosity, and making no assumptions about your family status... How would you feel about the personal info, even if it is "just" the name of your 14 year old daughter becoming public knowledge on a world-spanning game forum?
I have three children, they are now old enough to make their own decisions about this. However at the age at which they were actively playing WoW I spent considerable time discussing the various dangers of the internet, and making sure they understood how to keep themselves "safe" regardless of what they were doing on-line. One thing I made very clear was they should never give out any personal information to anyone, unless they knew that person already in RL. Even then they should be careful about what information they give out.
You may consider me to be a little over-paranoid, but nothing in life is more important to me than my children. There are many risks which are unavoidable to children, this is a part of growing up, but limiting those risks which you do have some control over is not a joking matter.
No game company has the right to make that decision for me, or for my children.
I honestly hope that Blizzard get very badly burnt over this. To the extent that no other game company even considers it.
Peace.
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Originally by: Sir Carnage
Originally by: Marko Riva Why does that read like they're all 12 and have an IQ of 37?
I was under the impression they were 37 and had an IQ of 12
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Lt Angus
Caldari the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2010.07.07 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Celestine Santora
Originally by: Lt Angus
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Malcanis How about we ask the Blizzard Community Moderator how much harassment he's getting after revealing his name?
How about we ask any journalist how much harassment they're getting after publishing an article, or any person in real-life after saying something ? And how's that so radically different from some guy posting ? People take far, far more liberties than they would in real-life when they think they're protected by the cloak of anonymity (or in other words, a lot feel free to be total jerkwads because there's no drawback), and maybe, just maybe, that's not something you really want to have on a forum.
Then again, for at least the 3rd time, it's a completely moot discussion anyway, because CCP would never do that. Ferchrissakes, they forbid us to willingly disclose our own personal info, whatever possessed the OP to think CCP would ever consider doing anything like this "RealID" thing Blizzard is considering doing is beyond me.
When I used to host the corp website id get real life threats, blowing up carebears life savings is risky business
You really think carebears too scared to have their imaginary space ships blown up would make death threats if their own names were explosed?
Long story short, I'm glad Blizzard is leading the way on this. The whole idea of "internet handles" is antiquated and it's about time we get rid of them. We all have names, no reason not to use them.
I know his real name from the threats lol please resize your signature to the maximum allowed file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers |
Pewchew
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.07.07 13:49:00 -
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Edited by: Pewchew on 07/07/2010 13:49:16 They kinda have already been burned by this. Well one of their GMs supporting it anyway: http://wowriot.gameriot.com/blogs/Americans-are-bad-at-games/Real-Names-on-the-Official-Forums-New-REAL-ID-function
Basically the guy had to delete his facebook and disconnect his phone line after posting his real name on the forum.
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Miilla
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Posted - 2010.07.07 13:50:00 -
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Edited by: Miilla on 07/07/2010 13:51:34
Originally by: Pewchew Edited by: Pewchew on 07/07/2010 13:49:16 They kinda have already been burned by this. Well one of their GMs supporting it anyway: http://wowriot.gameriot.com/blogs/Americans-are-bad-at-games/Real-Names-on-the-Official-Forums-New-REAL-ID-function
Basically the guy had to delete his facebook and disconnect his phone line after posting his real name on the forum.
Who cares if its even the right details, lets screw him over anyway :)
That is also another scenario that will happen, mistaken identity, never happened to pedos in real life either, peopel get beaten up because they have the same name or live in the same address.
I for one cannot wait until the first REAL LIFE DEATH resulting from this. That's what it will take to make them remove it.
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Demolishar
United Aggression Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.07.07 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: Miilla
I for one cannot wait until the first REAL LIFE DEATH resulting from this.
That's a bit bloodthirsty.
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