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Shakon
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Posted - 2010.07.08 10:12:00 -
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Calling BS hel. IM still waiting on some goons and triple aaas to fly to Afie and hurt me hahahah
Plus seeing as how the few ccp devs and mods that play all seem to think npc corps are all RMTERS and do nothing about their buddys Macro ratting in null and low sec. etc etc etc We should certainly believe ccp
CSM will not get better just look at the person who got the most votes. We should believe someone who won due to block voting by lemmings in alliances etc? Is going to due anything other than whine about poor low sec cry babys or how zero zero ith the last amount of pop in game deserves etc etc. Funny how all these people i mention above hated ank and love ccp always defend low sec null ratting macros while screaming abut mining macros.
Anyway CSM was just away for some fanbois to get free trips anyway. As for them makeing remarks against ccp in blogs? HAHHAHAHA if you guys call that critizing Let me send yall a copy of Barny the purple Dino so yall can sing along.
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2010.07.08 10:15:00 -
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Originally by: Shakon
Anyway CSM was just away for some fanbois to get free trips anyway. As for them makeing remarks against ccp in blogs? HAHHAHAHA if you guys call that critizing Let me send yall a copy of Barny the purple Dino so yall can sing along.
Bandwagon's full, please catch another. á
I think CSM is a pretty cool guy. eh creates e-drama and doesnt afraid of anything. |
Gavjack Bunk
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Posted - 2010.07.08 10:18:00 -
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Originally by: Yuki Kulotsuki
Originally by: Flios Bror What exactly gives CCP the right to remove her from the CSM?
Wow. Just wow. Ignoring everything else (like breaching a contract) are you seriously asking what gives a private company the right to remove a volunteer from one of it's programs?
And therein lies the fundamental problem with the CSM.
Only the CSM should remove members from the CSM. CCP should not be able to mess with the CSM.
While the CSM remains as it is, it will forever remain irrelevant to all. It's a pointless branch of CCP that was born of extremely dubious origins which not only is it unable to have any influence on, all it's siginificantly managed to do is introduce a new level of corruption to the game.
CCP have managed to create the illusion of choice and power, and yesterday managed to demonstrate to all that all those votes count for nothing when CCP decide they count for nothing. I feel it remains only a matter of time until the proof of electoral fixing comes along, there is simply no reason for CCP to hold a fair election for an irrelevant body which they can simply choose to ignore or disassemble at their convenience.
Since there is no electoral monitoring, CCP can save themselves a lot of uncertainty and campaign fixing by simply counting only the votes they have predecided to count.
CCP's marketing jerk will be counting the column inches this affair is generating and putting in for a pay rise, this has got to be worth a new Volvo at the very least. -- On planets... nobody can see you macro mining... |
XenosisReaper
Rising Ashes Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.08 10:19:00 -
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"During this time, the media company Submarine took an interest in EVE Online for the documentary they were making, "Another Perfect World". They approached me, and accompanied me to Iceland. Later on, I assisted Submarine with the development of their documentary, providing them with valuable footage"
Quoting from her Portfolio Website, during her time as previous CSM candidate
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Madner Kami
Gallente Durendal Ascending Gentlemen's Interstellar Nightclub
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Posted - 2010.07.08 10:20:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus If some rumors that I've heard (from multiple sources) are true, and I have good reason to believe that they are, Ankh will be very lucky if she isn't charged in a criminal court for what she has allegedly done. If the real truth comes out about what she's (allegedly) done, breaking an NDA or mouthing off on some blog will seem like a drop in the bucket in comparison.
Of course, this post only means something if the truth comes out and we're not whitewashed by CCP and the other involved parties. At any rate, you heard it here first.
If some of the rumors that I've heard (from multiple sources) are true and I have good reason to believe that they are, Ankh is a little pink and yellow-striped alien from a planet Omicron Persei 8. If the real truth comes out about what she (allegedly) is, breaking an NDA or mouthing off on some blog will seem like a drop in comparison.
Can anyone be even more vague about anything then your post is? Hollow accusations without any proof or backing are just part of an irresponsible witch-hunt.
And no, I do not white-knight for her either, because some of the things she said and did were outright silly, if not to say idiotic. But some people here really need to take a step back and think about their own behaviour.
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Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2010.07.08 10:20:00 -
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Finally one reason to extend game time.
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Myz Toyou
APOCALYPSE LEGION
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Posted - 2010.07.08 10:21:00 -
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so I asume that now that Ank is gone there will be no: Arrest pirates for days in stations when they did crime!
Good riddance...
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Cailais
Amarr THE ORDAINED
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Posted - 2010.07.08 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel
While it is true that "well known" characters have an easier time getting elected, it is also by virtue of them having a deeper, or more thorough, understanding of the game, or at least one particular aspect thereof. Also they tend to have a large follower base in cases of alliance leadership. However I disagree with the rest of your argument.
Im not convinced that well known characters have a deeper understanding of the game - they may be more vocal but that's about it.
Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel
Most of the people elected to the CSM are already well known, and those who weren't haven't become more famous in the process. I can assure you that the CSM did and does work as a collective most of the time, that is clearly visible during the Iceland meetings if nowhere else. There is however no denying that people have differing opinions, experiences and obectives, but this doesn't prevent things being accomplished, on the contrary. It is through the exchange of ideas that the CSM works best.
In my view the CSMs role is to represent the player base and their views. Not to debate those views and come up with their own ideas. Too often the CSM seems to be trying to act as defacto game designers .
Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel
As far as the elections go, people frequently tout their qualities as a person before their in-game persona, the latter being used as credential to attest of their knowledge (while also serving as a role of vote grabbing through name recognition).
An anonymous CSM Avatar could work for some things, not so for others.
Id agree with this.
Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel
The minutes reflect each member's opinions and ideas, as they are held and presented during the debates that happen. You seem to think that people having different opinions and arguing about proposals is a bad thing, I believe it is its greatest strength for without a contrary opinion, nobody would try and assert the validity of the claims. The process is as important as the end result, and while the end result should (and do) come from "the CSM", the process of arriving at that conclusion is a vital part and comes from the members. As a voter, you would want to know where the elected members stand, how they argue for/against things...
Arguing about proposals is one thing, doing it publicly is another. Again in my view the CSM should be approaching CCP and saying 'X % of the player base thinks this idea is good. Y % disagreed. We saw the following pros and cons of this idea. What's CCPs view? > and then report back to the player base.
Personally I'm not too bothered about how an individual CSM member argues for a given point as that information appears to just exacerbate the personality cult issue. If the minutes reported 5 voted for, 5 against that would be fine for me.
Continuing to report on every comment that comes from a CSM member only serves to perpetuate the impression that its a continuing popularity contest for individuals.
The recent "No new content - fix the game!" approach was so vague as to be nearly laughable. It was simply a popularist appeal to the masses: who wouldn't want the game to be 'fixed'?
C.
the hydrostatic capsule blog
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Tallaran Kouros
Cryptonym Sleepers
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Posted - 2010.07.08 10:44:00 -
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Originally by: Miyamoto Isoruku Look, no one, not even Finn, opposed Ankh's candidacy more than I did. That said I simply do not trust CCP here, especially not after T20. For CCP to sack a CSM member not long after she made a very vocal blog post excoriating them simply does not seem kosher.
Agreed.
Even if they don't tell us the specifics of what she is alleged to have done, they really need to give more information in order to reassure the player base that there isn't any foul play going on here.
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Thyza
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Posted - 2010.07.08 10:47:00 -
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I propose a namechange, Ankhesentapemkah will from now on be known as "Ankhbreakthenda". easier to remember, and more accurate to boot.
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fivetide humidyear
Gallente Fool Mental Junket
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Posted - 2010.07.08 10:52:00 -
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bye bye.
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Shakon
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Posted - 2010.07.08 10:55:00 -
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Sok Bandwagon? you mean the one you got on to even GET on the CSM for a free trip?
Typical fanboi response just what i expected from one.
I notice most of the bandwagon is the ones attacking ank( cant spell and had no idea she was european which explains alot).
Seems most of you are just mad the person got more votes from individual players than your tight little groups of block voters. AH well got to love hypocrits especially ones posting about a single person thats no worse than they are them selves.
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Darveses
DAEDALUS X The Final Stand.
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Posted - 2010.07.08 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: Thyza I propose a namechange, Ankhesentapemkah will from now on be known as "Ankhbreakthenda". easier to remember, and more accurate to boot.
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2010.07.08 11:00:00 -
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Originally by: Shakon Sok Bandwagon? you mean the one you got on to even GET on the CSM for a free trip?
Typical fanboi response just what i expected from one.
I notice most of the bandwagon is the ones attacking ank( cant spell and had no idea she was european which explains alot).
Seems most of you are just mad the person got more votes from individual players than your tight little groups of block voters. AH well got to love hypocrits especially ones posting about a single person thats no worse than they are them selves.
You sir, are an idiot. (ingame) á
I think CSM is a pretty cool guy. eh creates e-drama and doesnt afraid of anything. |
Chesty McJubblies
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Posted - 2010.07.08 11:03:00 -
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Christ, 7 wasted votes. Oh well..
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Jones Bones
Final Agony
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Posted - 2010.07.08 11:10:00 -
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Just in time for Hulkageddon!
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Trauli
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Posted - 2010.07.08 11:12:00 -
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CCCP stop being obtuse and release a statement on why exactly she was removed. The CSM is public process voted in by eve neckbeards so those same neckbeards have a right to know why someone who voted in (lol) is no longer there. Being all hush hush leads to wild speculation which does not help your case in anyway.
AS A DENIZIN OF THE EVE UNIVERSE AND CSM VOTER I DEMAND OUR RIGHT FOR INFORMATION BE UPHELD!
Also we are still missing those iceland minutes
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foksieloy
Minmatar Universal Army Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.07.08 11:14:00 -
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Btw, the news of the village idiot CSM member who got booted made me so happy, I made 9 women pregnant by just passing next to them on the street. _______________________ Drink Eau du Nichup«, the taste of heaven. Now available as Nichup Citrus« as well! |
enterprisePSI
Gallente Unimatrix 0.1
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Posted - 2010.07.08 11:26:00 -
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"In the name of Ankhesentapemkah, ships shall be built to carry our warriors out amongst the stars, and we will spread sense to all the carebears." «
Hallowed are the gangships
Tears, or the titan dies!
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Shakon
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Posted - 2010.07.08 11:28:00 -
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Really good come back there bud. So your an Idiot(ingame) makes a personal attack ok. HAHA and thank you for proving my point. But hey you should be proud as a fanboi you can type better than me!
Now back to the topic why all the hatred? Granted some idiotic rants and posts but no worse than 2/3rds of the stuff you see on eve forums. SO from where i sit(personal opinion unlike most posters here i dont claim to speak for all of eve)you guys just did not like the fact ank got so many votes is all i can figure out. IF ank broke the rules fine but seems kind of fishie for CCP not to state the reason. But then again CSM being what it is a neat little stunt for PR only i can see why they dont care.
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2010.07.08 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Shakon
Now back to the topic why all the hatred? Granted some idiotic rants and posts but no worse than 2/3rds of the stuff you see on eve forums. SO from where i sit(personal opinion unlike most posters here i dont claim to speak for all of eve)you guys just did not like the fact ank got so many votes is all i can figure out. IF ank broke the rules fine but seems kind of fishie for CCP not to state the reason. But then again CSM being what it is a neat little stunt for PR only i can see why they dont care.
You really haven't a clue lol. á
I think CSM is a pretty cool guy. eh creates e-drama and doesnt afraid of anything. |
Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.08 11:39:00 -
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You really think CSM is anything more than (failed) PR stunt?
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2010.07.08 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer You really think CSM is anything more than (failed) PR stunt?
It's not, its a terrific troll devised to lure people like you and the dud above into poasting the samne things over and over and over again á
I think CSM is a pretty cool guy. eh creates e-drama and doesnt afraid of anything. |
Tolis Irithel
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.07.08 11:48:00 -
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I'm a complete lurker on this forum, but anyhow; this whole incident has left a real nasty taste in the mouth.
I don't really agree with much Ankh said, I never voted for her, and maybe she wasn't the most harmonious member of the CSM. However, the recent statement by CCP that they won't be commenting is, basically, a joke. Of the stated reasons they've given/allowed to spread, most of them are bunk, especially this one:
-"We can't disclose more info without making the NDA breach worse." That's rubbish, actually. Even "The NDA breach concerned elements of our upcoming [X] feature or [Y] expansion, in [Z] year" would be sufficient.
Fact is, this is just further evidence that CCP need to employ someone vaguely aware of what's going on right now, and just how bloody awful all of their PR/support people actually are.
(Remaining CSM members, keep up the good work.)
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Zenst
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.07.08 12:03:00 -
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Why are people still posting in this thread - not like there is anything to realy discuss thats ontopic.
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Rictus
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Posted - 2010.07.08 12:28:00 -
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Originally by: Tallaran Kouros
Even if they don't tell us the specifics of what she is alleged to have done, they really need to give more information in order to reassure the player base that there isn't any foul play going on here.
Out of interest, what information would satisfy you given that they obviously can't repeat the NDA breach?
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Stefan11
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Posted - 2010.07.08 12:34:00 -
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This is better than real life politics.
All we need is a sex scandal.
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Crale Damar
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Posted - 2010.07.08 12:39:00 -
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I feel compelled to comment here on a few things. The original post subject is: "Ankhesentapemkah removed from CSM due to NDA breach." CCP are the owners of this game. They own the processes behind the game and any forums and communications to AND from players, media, and other important stakeholders. If they see a clear breach of a mutually agreed contract, then they must act.
NOW, did they act appropriately in this regard? This is the question. Was it right? Well we certainly don't know do we? Nor do the CSM!? Comments were raised about poor communications from CCP and I'm compelled to agree 100%. Private matters are always to be respected but their "statement" about this incident was not good communications at all and only led to further speculation and frustration.
Any he said, she said comments are not helpful at all. The tragedy here is that (as far as I understand) the rest of the CSM don't know the grounds (or details) on which Ank was expelled so it's next to impossible for them to make a unified statement on the issue. We're all left with a 'wtf' feeling at the moment. One thing is for sure, you can't sweep up problems under the rug either. I mean, how can we expect CSM to respond to something that has been essentially done from an outside entity, with no details or reasoning beyond the exclusive statement of "breach of NDA?"
All parties involved need to understand that all of this certainly does challenge the integrity of the whole CSM concept and electoral processes. This is not to the fault of the current CSM members but the idea that an "democratic, player elected group of people representing the player base" can be dismantled by CCP with no details, no statement of grounds, no details given to the CSM, or even the chair person of the CSM is plain unprofessional.
The comment that all PR is good PR is (imo) partially true and a valid comment in many cases. However, due to the nature by which CSM is assembled, utilized, and appreciated (or not...by some of the player base and perhaps CCP too??), I wonder if incidents like this really are 'good' for any party or whether the groups of haters and skeptics (of which I am NOT one btw ) only continue to increase in numbers as these parties keep on shooting themselves in the foot.
There's SO much that CSM 'could be' and so much I believe THIS CSM is 'trying to be' but does CCP really care what they say anymore? Do they really care about what the players are thinking anymore? I mean, if the CSM isn't working, fix it...but it's got to be together, right?
This incident does show, however, one thing which I find tragic....they are not 'together' even in a situation that they really MUST be in order to maintain the integrity that has been built up around this concept from its inception. From what I see, though it's not due to CSM not wanting the co-operation but the ball seems to be once again in CCP's court. The EVE world watches in confusion...and we all still wait for the summit meeting minutes as well. Meeting minutes....this long, guys??
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Demolishar
Internet Spaceship Raiders
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Posted - 2010.07.08 12:43:00 -
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So was she banned from playing EVE as well?
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ArmyOfMe
TAKEN. Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2010.07.08 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: Shakon you guys just did not like the fact ank got so many votes is all i can figure out.
actually u got it all wrong, a lot of the ppl i know including me dislikes ank but voted for her in hopes of some added drama, and she lived up to all our expectations
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