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Slimy Worm
Sons of Viagra
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Posted - 2010.07.07 17:52:00 -
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CCP has not given enough information for why it removed Ankh from CSM. All it said she did was "violat[e] the nondisclosure agreement."
Did she reveal things that were said in Iceland? If so, was it for publishing her own minutes for the players she represents? If so, explain how her minutes violate the non-disclosure agreement but other CSM members' minutes don't.
I'm no fan of Ankh's; in fact, I think she does not understand core game principles, but CCP needs to give its paying customers more information on why one of the members they elected were removed from CSM.
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2010.07.07 17:53:00 -
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We weren't told much either but I doubt that raising it as proposal will gain you much á
I think CSM is a pretty cool guy. eh creates e-drama and doesnt afraid of anything. |
JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2010.07.07 17:56:00 -
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She spoke CCP stuff is spread thin for incarna/dust and have no time to deal with current EVE.
I am sure that make them angry.
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Slimy Worm
Sons of Viagra
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Posted - 2010.07.07 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz We weren't told much either but I doubt that raising it as proposal will gain you much
I know, but posting it in Assembly Hall allows CSM to bring it up to CCP, so CCP could theoretically address it.
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ITTigerClawIK
Amarr Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
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Posted - 2010.07.07 18:02:00 -
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CCP was very vague with the whole thing but i think THIS may answer a few of the questions
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.07.07 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: ITTigerClawIK CCP was very vague with the whole thing but i think THIS may answer a few of the questions
Not really. If you're implying the Ankh was kicked for publicly criticizing CCP, then Mynxee would have been kicked also. In any case the overall tone of that article was reasonably positive. Hardly a "hate piece".
Besides, if CCP started punishing people for criticizing them, then EVE would only have about 43 subscribers left.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Batolemaeus
Caldari Vauryndar Dalharil
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Posted - 2010.07.07 18:11:00 -
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If CCP choses to keep this private, they have every right to do so tbh.
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DontMindMe JustPassnThru
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Posted - 2010.07.07 18:15:00 -
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It might be tricky to provide more details on a breach of a Non Disclosure Agreement without drawing more attention to the information that was supposed to be Non-Disclosed in the first place.
Just sayin.
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Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.07.07 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: Batolemaeus If CCP choses to keep this private, they have every right to do so tbh.
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Saelie
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Posted - 2010.07.07 18:37:00 -
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It's tough to disclose information on a breach of an NDA since in disclosing that information you have to break the NDA again and make the problem worse. I've seen this happen when beta-testing other games, where the company had to kick beta-testers for breaching the NDA but couldn't release any information about what was disclosed. But at the same time, it's also the perfect thing to get rid of someone you don't like for the exact reason that you can't disclose much information. I'm more inclined to go with the former reason in this case because everyone criticizes CCP.
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Slimy Worm
Sons of Viagra
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Posted - 2010.07.07 18:54:00 -
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Edited by: Slimy Worm on 07/07/2010 18:54:21
Originally by: Saelie It's tough to disclose information on a breach of an NDA since in disclosing that information you have to break the NDA again and make the problem worse. I've seen this happen when beta-testing other games, where the company had to kick beta-testers for breaching the NDA but couldn't release any information about what was disclosed. But at the same time, it's also the perfect thing to get rid of someone you don't like for the exact reason that you can't disclose much information. I'm more inclined to go with the former reason in this case because everyone criticizes CCP.
She revealed information that is critical of CCP, so while she technically disclosed information that violated the NDA, it's likely that the reason they booted her was because she told everyone that they were focusing on DUST and walking in stations.
Other CSM's disclosed information about future development too in their minutes of the meeting in Iceland, but they weren't kicked because they were careful enough to exclude specifics critical of CCP.
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Batolemaeus
Caldari Vauryndar Dalharil
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Posted - 2010.07.07 19:05:00 -
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Edited by: Batolemaeus on 07/07/2010 19:05:05
Originally by: Slimy Worm
Other CSM's disclosed information about future development too in their minutes of the meeting in Iceland, but they weren't kicked because they were careful enough to exclude specifics critical of CCP.
By that logic they'd have to kickban half of csm.
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XXSketchxx
Gallente Remote Soviet Industries Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2010.07.07 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: News As this is a matter regarding confidential data we do consider this to be a private issue between Eva and CCP, therefore we are unable to comment further.
What part of this did you not understand?
NDA being broken implies some stuff was leaked. Why would CCP open the faucet even more?
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2010.07.07 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: XXSketchxx
Originally by: News As this is a matter regarding confidential data we do consider this to be a private issue between Eva and CCP, therefore we are unable to comment further.
What part of this did you not understand?
NDA being broken implies some stuff was leaked. Why would CCP open the faucet even more?
The stuff leaked was not related to the CSM. á
I think CSM is a pretty cool guy. eh creates e-drama and doesnt afraid of anything. |
Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
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Posted - 2010.07.07 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: XXSketchxx
Originally by: News As this is a matter regarding confidential data we do consider this to be a private issue between Eva and CCP, therefore we are unable to comment further.
What part of this did you not understand?
NDA being broken implies some stuff was leaked. Why would CCP open the faucet even more?
Indeed. Also the punishment really isn't that significant, she wasn't banned and she wasn't sued... so... -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
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Ky Vatta
Majority 12
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Posted - 2010.07.07 21:08:00 -
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So, will there be an election to find her replacement??
I think it is only fair, though I expect CCP will deny us it
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.07.07 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: Ky Vatta So, will there be an election to find her replacement??
I think it is only fair, though I expect CCP will deny us it
First alternate will take his place, that is the person with most votes that didn't make it in.
The breach was probably a ridiculously insignificant one that was used to get rid of a non-Yes Man. No one left to pressure CCP with force sufficient to make meaningful change .. more lag, more useless fluff coming our way
Might have had some odd notions to say the least and a bit on the vocal side, but sometimes screaming is the only way to break down barriers (kids know this all too well, nasty little buggers ).
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Major Stallion
Instant Annihilation Everto Rex Regis
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Posted - 2010.07.07 22:01:00 -
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tbh, posting "issue" threads about stuff that really isnt an "issue" should be a forum ban-able offense. |
Cobalt Sixty
Caldari Intercision
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Posted - 2010.07.07 22:16:00 -
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Edited by: Cobalt Sixty on 07/07/2010 22:23:42
Who cares, as long as she is *gone* \o/
VIVA NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENTS!
EDIT: We should probably hold the party here: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1349635
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Zathi Shaitan
Illiteracy Combatants
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Posted - 2010.07.08 02:05:00 -
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Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
The breach was probably a ridiculously insignificant one that was used to get rid of a non-Yes Man. No one left to pressure CCP with force sufficient to make meaningful change .. more lag, more useless fluff coming our way
Woman. But yeah you are right. Just look at all the brown-nosers in this forum.
Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
Might have had some odd notions to say the least and a bit on the vocal side, but sometimes screaming is the only way to break down barriers
Agreed. In part. The only problem is that most parents get slacky on the education, and just raise brats who think that being an ass is the way to do it. Screaming is good, but the example with kids is actually the worse you could get.
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Spades Slick
Caldari Rookies Academy Elite The Compass
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Posted - 2010.07.08 02:11:00 -
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Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
Originally by: Batolemaeus If CCP choses to keep this private, they have every right to do so tbh.
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Clovermite
Kamikaze Fleet Command Kamikaze Project
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Posted - 2010.07.08 03:14:00 -
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I kinda wondered when I read her blog.
I definitely appreciated the effort she went through to put in so much detail, but it did seem more than what I'd heard was allowable to disclose before the official minutes.
It probably didn't help that she had a tendency to let her guard down tact wise.
Minor though both infractions might be, they certainly provide enough ammo when combined to legally justify a dismissal.
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Trygonus
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Posted - 2010.07.08 03:35:00 -
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As much as you like to hate Ank, she did go to Iceland and be vocal and push CCP to fix things.
Everyone else just seemed to be there for the cake and did nothing they said they would do during their run for CSM.
I guess the initiative and having someone on their hands from the CSM that meant business was too much for CCP to handle. So sacking her was the best course of action.
pr0 tip: Do not actually do what you said you would do to get elected if you want to stay in the CSM.
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FOEHAMMER006
Domini Umbrus DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2010.07.08 03:50:00 -
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I am glad that this happened, and I don't really care for the details, but curiosity is started to get sparked --------------------------------
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Rip Minner
Gallente ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.08 06:08:00 -
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Well Ahk gave it the good old try at least we know CCP heared what probly needed to be said.
And no I'm not a Ahk fan but I would support my worst enemy in taking one for the team as a hole as Ahk probly did. Is it a rock? Point a Lazer at it and profit. Is it a ship? Point a Lazer at it and profit. I dont realy see any differnces here. |
Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.08 08:36:00 -
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Edited by: Venkul Mul on 08/07/2010 08:44:59 We will be getting Mazzilu as a substitute? /facepalm
I have some problem seeing what was this so serious breach that there was the need to forcibly remove her.
Larkonis was given the option to step down before being throw out so CCP should feel it is something really serious.
I would like some clearer statement but doing that without increasing the information leak probably is impossible, so I can't support the request.
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Takseen
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Posted - 2010.07.08 08:48:00 -
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More info definitely needed here. The CSM isn't much good if mildly vocal members get removed at a whim by CCP without explaining exactly why.
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2010.07.08 08:54:00 -
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For the love of god people. What exactly is it about 'breach was not related to her blogs or CSM5' that you do not understand? á
I think CSM is a pretty cool guy. eh creates e-drama and doesnt afraid of anything. |
EdFromHumanResources
Caldari hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.07.08 10:07:00 -
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Well I guess she will have more trouble trying to convince CCP to implement her idea to charge players real life cash the more players they kill in game then.
Damn shame that.
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foksieloy
Minmatar Universal Army Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.07.08 10:15:00 -
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