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Persepoli
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Posted - 2010.07.08 12:48:00 -
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Let's see, there are currently 183 pages of proposals in here, requests for changes to be made to the game, suggestions for fixes. Some a very good and make a good deal of sense. Some are so so and would benefit one group at the expense of another. Some are just downright stupid and provide us with a good laugh.
But of all these 183 pages of proposals - not one has been discussed at the CSM, and then been implemented by CCP. Not one.
So why are we bothering to continue with the charade of the CSM?
I formally call for it to be disbanded (not that it will happen as hey, nothing else in here ever has)
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XXSketchxx
Gallente Remote Soviet Industries Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2010.07.08 12:55:00 -
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Yes I am sure the CSM will get right around proposing this to CCP
Nice troll bro
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cuarentaydos
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Posted - 2010.07.08 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: Persepoli
But of all these 183 pages of proposals - not one has been discussed at the CSM, and then been implemented by CCP. Not one.
Incredible. If you put up the minimal effort of looking up previous meeting minutes or the Wiki pages it should be abundantly clear that a lot of issues, including those most heavily requested, have indeed been discussed by the respective CSM and also brought to CCP's attention. As for the end of that quote, well, if CCP has not bothered to allocate resources to solving these issues or implementing these proposals, then the CSM is hardly at fault. On the contrary, their effort to at least try to get CCP to commit should be commended.
/NOT signed, obviously
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Yendor Widdershins
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2010.07.08 13:12:00 -
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The key problem is that people who think the CSM is ineffective and should be disbanded aren't reading this forum.
I'm only reading it because of the recent drama.
But hey, if CCP wants to provide airfare for a bunch of players, then ignore them for the next year that's their business.
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Bo Tosh
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Posted - 2010.07.08 13:14:00 -
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Upon reading your proposal one could say that the CSM is working as planned by CCP.
More facts would help your case, such as cost vs benefit of the CSM and I must also say that upon reading the minutes of some of the previous incarnations of the CSM some of the proposals in this forum have been discussed and put to CCP both in the online meetings and on the Iceland trip.
Example, FW bugs and Development Linkage
Relevant threads Linkage Linkage
You can access the relevant threads for the other issues in these minutes from the post itself. What does disappoint me is that such comprehensive minutes do not seem to be posted by the current CSM, I assume that to much of their energies have been directed towards infighting.
Now I am tired having exhausted my small reservoir of "can give a damn" and must bid you good day.
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2010.07.08 13:15:00 -
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The problem is not CSM but CCP that have no resources to make any changes.
Dust is more importent.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.08 13:20:00 -
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Originally by: Persepoli Let's see, there are currently 183 pages of proposals in here, requests for changes to be made to the game, suggestions for fixes. Some a very good and make a good deal of sense. Some are so so and would benefit one group at the expense of another. Some are just downright stupid and provide us with a good laugh.
But of all these 183 pages of proposals - not one has been discussed at the CSM, and then been implemented by CCP. Not one.
So why are we bothering to continue with the charade of the CSM?
I formally call for it to be disbanded (not that it will happen as hey, nothing else in here ever has)
Let's see.
You think the CSM has accomplished nothing in terms of having proposals discussed and reviewed. So your idea is to propose that the CSM is disbanded. But, if no proposals are ever followed through, how do you expect this proposal to follow through?
Quite the cunundrum.
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2010.07.08 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
You think the CSM has accomplished nothing in terms of having proposals discussed and reviewed. So your idea is to propose that the CSM is disbanded. But, if no proposals are ever followed through, how do you expect this proposal to follow through?
Quite the cunundrum.
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I think CSM is a pretty cool guy. eh creates e-drama and doesnt afraid of anything. |
Goose99
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Posted - 2010.07.08 14:48:00 -
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Meh, most of csm guys are null alliance farmers, blobers, and killmail humpers that are out of touch with the high&low sec dwelling majority. Some of their proposals may do more harm than good, not that CCP will ever implement them.
Supported. CSM is just a scapegoat for CCP to placate the masses and avoid criticism themselves. To give the illusion that something is in the works, when nothing is. If it's dissolved, the additional petitions and bug reports may suck up enough resources that CCP may deem it worthy to actually do something.
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Larkonis Trassler
EMIX INC
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Posted - 2010.07.08 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: Goose99 Meh, most of csm guys are null alliance farmers, blobers, and killmail humpers that are out of touch with the high&low sec dwelling majority. Some of their proposals may do more harm than good, not that CCP will ever implement them.
Which members are they?
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Goose99
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Posted - 2010.07.08 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: Larkonis Trassler
Originally by: Goose99 Meh, most of csm guys are null alliance farmers, blobers, and killmail humpers that are out of touch with the high&low sec dwelling majority. Some of their proposals may do more harm than good, not that CCP will ever implement them.
Which members are they?
Naming names and flaming flame... Not gonna bite. I can say Ankhesentapemkah isn't among them, but he got the boot, so that's a moot point. Rest you can pretty much tell from corps and alliances they're in.
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2010.07.08 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: Goose99
Naming names and flaming flame... Not gonna bite. I can say Ankhesentapemkah isn't among them, but he got the boot, so that's a moot point. Rest you can pretty much tell from corps and alliances they're in.
I wish my world was as simple as yours. á
I think CSM is a pretty cool guy. eh creates e-drama and doesnt afraid of anything. |
Jacqueline Harrien
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.07.08 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: Goose99 Naming names and flaming flame... Not gonna bite. I can say Ankhesentapemkah isn't among them, but he got the boot, so that's a moot point. Rest you can pretty much tell from corps and alliances they're in.
You're all bluster and no balls, aren't you?
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Persepoli
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Posted - 2010.07.08 22:43:00 -
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Edited by: Persepoli on 08/07/2010 22:44:22
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Persepoli Let's see, there are currently 183 pages of proposals in here, requests for changes to be made to the game, suggestions for fixes. Some a very good and make a good deal of sense. Some are so so and would benefit one group at the expense of another. Some are just downright stupid and provide us with a good laugh.
But of all these 183 pages of proposals - not one has been discussed at the CSM, and then been implemented by CCP. Not one.
So why are we bothering to continue with the charade of the CSM?
I formally call for it to be disbanded (not that it will happen as hey, nothing else in here ever has)
Let's see.
You think the CSM has accomplished nothing in terms of having proposals discussed and reviewed. So your idea is to propose that the CSM is disbanded. But, if no proposals are ever followed through, how do you expect this proposal to follow through?
Quite the cunundrum.
Yes it is funnily enough - and also quite the illustration as to why the whole concept of the CSM is a just a crock of smelly brown stuff.
I also notice that one of the - ahem - illustrious "chosen" few deigns not to offer a valid rebuttal, but just trots out the standard line. Wonder if he has been promised a super cap reimbursement for his alliances next loss
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