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Jakul Iridica
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Posted - 2010.07.13 07:44:00 -
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Is it too late for a new player to enter the Eve universe with the intent of becoming a good sub capital ship pvp pilot? Seeing people with many millions of SP has discouraged me...
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Halvus
Minmatar Sons Of 0din The Uninvited.
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Posted - 2010.07.13 07:50:00 -
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No, it's not too late. PVP fleets need all types of ships, including frigates. Small frigates fitted with Warp Disruptors can prevent larger ships escaping for example. I recommend training for the interceptor class of ships first - it doesn't take too long to train and most fleets will welcome you.
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Cynn O'Shurall
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Posted - 2010.07.13 08:26:00 -
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Originally by: Jakul Iridica Is it too late for a new player to enter the Eve universe with the intent of becoming a good sub capital ship pvp pilot? Seeing people with many millions of SP has discouraged me...
There's a lot of people leaving the game and quite a lot new players as well. Besides, 1 vs 1 isn't that important in EVE as in other games, there's a lot of strength in numbers.
You will never catch up with older players but you can still be useful and have fun!
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Pookie McPook
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Posted - 2010.07.13 08:40:00 -
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Originally by: Jakul Iridica Is it too late for a new player to enter the Eve universe with the intent of becoming a good sub capital ship pvp pilot? Seeing people with many millions of SP has discouraged me...
EVE is unlike other MMOs. Even the player with the most SP in the game can be taken down if he wanders into the wrong place at the wrong time. At no point will you ever reach a point where you obtain the "I WIN" badge. It's all to do with progression and evolution. Enjoy the journey, because there is no fixed destination. -----
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Baka Lakadaka
Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2010.07.13 12:49:00 -
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I might have 50 million SP, but I can probably only make use of 10% of them in a particular ship (as a guess). So if you spend a few months training and get up to 5 million SP you'd be on a fairly even standing if we were both in similar class ships.
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Jennifer Fenring
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.07.13 13:05:00 -
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Originally by: Baka Lakadaka I might have 50 million SP, but I can probably only make use of 10% of them in a particular ship (as a guess). So if you spend a few months training and get up to 5 million SP you'd be on a fairly even standing if we were both in similar class ships.
Don't let yourself be fooled by this kind of shady characters - they want to lure you into a trap!
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Jasdemi
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Posted - 2010.07.13 14:11:00 -
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Just level your learning skills for the next 3 months while sitting in a station and you're be fine.
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Easy Target
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.07.13 15:57:00 -
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Yep, as Baka said, older players may have all armor and shield skills to 5, and level 5 in all race frigates, and all gunnary skills to level 5
If they are flying an amarr frigate shield skills are useless, level 5 in the other 3 races ships are useless, and the only relevent gunnary skills are the energy weapon ones
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Ephemeriis
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Posted - 2010.07.13 16:02:00 -
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After a certain point, more SP doesn't really help you with the task at hand.
If I've maxed-out all my frigate skills and start training cruiser skills, those cruiser skills really aren't going to help me too much in piloting a frigate. So I'm no better with a frigate than anyone else with maxed-out frigate skills.
At that point, more SP just gives you more options. Maybe you can choose between a frigate and a cruiser... Or you can choose between missiles and lasers...
And any fleet is going to require a variety of skills. You need some folks in frigates to tackle the enemy. You need some folks doing EWAR, and some folks doing DPS, and some folks countering the enemy EWAR, and some folks repping the enemy DPS coming in. You need somebody doing recon. If you're rolling out capital ships you need somebody doing cynos. And behind the scenes you've got tons of folks providing the logistics to keep everything up and running.
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Xyla Kador
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Posted - 2010.07.13 16:57:00 -
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actually u can catch up as everything ends at lvl 5 ^^
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tagen young
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Posted - 2010.07.13 17:09:00 -
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As people have said there is a max amount of sp that is used in flying a particular ship so you can become as good as a older player in flying them.
Veteran players will have the advantage of being able to fly a greater range of ships of several different factions.
My main has just over 30 million sp which is a young compared to many, but I can fly minmatar ships sub-battleship very well.
As far as PVP is concerned experience counts for alot. Don't be afraid to get into it early. This is not your typical MMO, newbies can be effective in combat.
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Jill Xelitras
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.07.13 17:22:00 -
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Some of those "millions of SP" are in industry and science or in being able to fly the ships of other races.
I think it is more important to learn how to fit ships and how to fly them. Then you can decide whether you want to engage a certain ship/pilot or not. It will also allow you to determine a ship's weakness, when you want to kill it. Certainly SP make a huge difference in the first weeks: They improve your ship's abilities but they never protect a pilot from making mistakes.
Jill.
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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente C C P
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Posted - 2010.07.13 17:56:00 -
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Its never to late to come into EVE. Like other pilots have pointed out not all those skill points are focused on the same thing so competition isn't that bad. You can still excel at many professions like playing the market, mining, ninja salvaging, exploration, and yes even combat with very little skill points. All it takes is a little bit of personal skill, a lot of friends, and these "big SP" players can crumble beneath your mighty boots!
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Taedrin
Gallente Xovoni Directorate
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Posted - 2010.07.13 18:38:00 -
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There are two reasons why new players can quickly catch up to a high sp character.
1) Exponential increase in training time for marginal benefits.
2) Only a small portion of a high sp character's skill points are actually applied to the ship they are currently flying.
An example of point #1: A new player can generally train a skill from level 1 to level 3 in less than a day. Training to level 4 takes one or two days. Training a skill to level 5 takes a week to a little over a month.
Each skill level generally grants you an additional 5% bonus. So that means within a day, you can reduce a high sp's advantage by 15 percentage points at a particular skill.
An example of point #2: A high sp character has a lot of skill points in battleships, but very little in frigate related skills. A low sp character has no skill points in battleship related skils, but has focused entirely in frigate skills. When the two meet in frigates, the low sp character will have more active skill points than the high sp character. ----------
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RentableMuffin
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Posted - 2010.07.13 20:18:00 -
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I started about 3 years ago 3-4 years behind a bunch of other players, sure you will be a bit disadvantaged at first, but as you go on if you specialize in certain areas you will quickly catch up. once you get comfy in that role you can branch out into another role.
the first one or to specs kinda sucks being stuck in that t1 frig waiting for frig 5 to finish for an interceptor then being in that interceptor waiting for cruiser 5 to finish because you want to fly a hac, but then it starts opening up and I've been very content with most of the ships I can fly I hardly even notice that I'm training another skill, I keep knocking off ship skills to 5 and learning to use new tech 2 weapons (tech 2 weapons are just awesome, rather cheapish and a nice boost over t1). and yet I keep going back and flying the same ships I have been able to fly for the last 2 years (love amarr ships)
but hey that's one of my fave things about eve, want to try a different job just train it, don't have to reroll another alt character and train it up. although if you want to can do that and learn 2 jobs at once, although now that my sp pool is so diverse I find I'm running out of things to train on my alts.
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Flesh Slurper
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Posted - 2010.07.13 23:06:00 -
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Like others have said, it isn't hard to get to be just as good as a high SP player relatively fast.
That high SP player may be a lot more diversified, so they can fly more ships, but if you focus you can be just as good as them or better relatively fast.
The high SP player may have level V skills which take a long time to train but have less return / SP. So while they may have the small edge from that long skill you can get close to them relatively fast.
The high SP player may have started as a miner or some other non-combat profession. Their combat skills may not even be as good as yours.
The high SP player may have kept his training going while he was away from the game for a while. He may have high SP but not have good skills/situational awareness, so you can still beat him.
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Dilligafmofo
Gallente Calimae Logistics Foundation
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Posted - 2010.07.15 06:13:00 -
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I felt exactly the same when I began playing. But it doesn't take long to become an effective and even essential part of a fighting fleet or corporation. Find the niche required for you to fill and concentrate on that for starters. Within a few months, you should be able to hold your own in most given situations.
Just don't give up.
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Dodgy Past
Amarr Trans-Solar Works Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2010.07.15 11:02:00 -
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Edited by: Dodgy Past on 15/07/2010 11:04:35
Originally by: Jakul Iridica Is it too late for a new player to enter the Eve universe with the intent of becoming a good sub capital ship pvp pilot? Seeing people with many millions of SP has discouraged me...
I started 18 months ago thinking exactly the same thing.
18 months later I'm flying in one of the FOTM fleets. After 9 months in the game I was in Brick alliance and ended up with the most amount of kills in my 100+ man corp in my second month.
I'm by no means an amasing player, just competent and able to think on my feet.
My main is focused on exactly that though I do have an alt training for capitals as it is definitely an asset. There's always quality PvP groups looking for new pilots so it's just a case of getting enough experience to get your foot through the door. Personally managed with only a week in FW and some high sec shenanigans. Though I did pay attention to avoiding lol-mails as that's what most groups will look into when you apply.
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Kobushi
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Posted - 2010.07.17 16:26:00 -
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it boils down to skill being capped at level 5 so once trained at that level you are on par with a played that been playing since day one...the real difference in player skills not character skill
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Waruq Torrema
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Posted - 2010.07.17 22:08:00 -
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You just have to specialize yourself in an area. But theres a catch, you got to know what specilization you should rule for. I dont know all the roles in pvp, take for example a tackler, dont train anything else than skills that is relevant for that. The crappy thing about this "starting-fase" is that you have to read tons and tons of tings, to know what is best suited for your playstyle, and what you prefer the most, in terms of roles.
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.18 12:13:00 -
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You will never be as good as Chribba! Not nowhere not no how!
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2010.07.18 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Intense Thinker You will never be as good as Chribba! Not nowhere not no how!
Is this the joke of the year? I'm prolly the worst cap or even supercap pilot of the year - if a Titan's shield recharge wasn't > Ibis DPS I'd lose it...
And I love Veldspar! Mining Lasers ftw!
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Apollo Gabriel
Domini Lex Talionis Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2010.07.19 03:16:00 -
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Eve is all about building your own empire of skills, ships, isk, etc...
I started over a year ago and took 14 months off, I feel very good with my skills with only about 6 months of training.
You can really make a difference if you want to, it is not too late. Another think which happens in Eve and not really in mmos. You hit a level cap when it comes to each ship type. There will literally be a time when you can't learn any more for you Drake or Zealot, etc, and then it is time to train something else. In other games, they raise the cap so you can still get better at it, not so in Eve.
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Erick Odin
Amarr Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.07.19 18:41:00 -
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Yeah skills do get capped but then these uber pvpers just plug in the slaves and drop the booster pills :) Give up newbs you have no chance - lol just kididng
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Skex Relbore
Gallente Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.19 19:04:00 -
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Definitely not too late.
I started playing bit less a year ago. I did not specialize as many suggested instead concentrating on mostly support skills with enough ship/combat skills to have fun. I did a very short RVB stint early only to decide that I needed more SP went off did the whole Carebear MR thing for about 6-7 months just kind of plugging away on skills and earning some iskies. Finally 3 months ago I decided that I'd had enough shooting crappy AI opponents went off skillplan and trained up level4 Minmatar frigs T2 AC's and signed up for RVB.
Now almost every night I'm online blowing stuff up and having a ball.
The trick is to come up with a skill plan get on it then forget about it other than keeping a skill training all the time.
Enjoy the time playing with what you can already use. There is a hell of a lot of different things to do in EVE and most of them rely on player skill more than character skillpoints.
Don't get caught up too much thinking about what you can't do and instead concentrate on what you can. The training will go by pretty quickly if you are having fun while it's taking place. Soon enough you'll realize that your character has become pretty decent and you'll be in the forums answering the next guys "is it too late?" post.
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OT Smithers
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Posted - 2010.07.25 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: Jakul Iridica Is it too late for a new player to enter the Eve universe with the intent of becoming a good sub capital ship pvp pilot? Seeing people with many millions of SP has discouraged me...
Short answer: Yes.
Longer answer: It depends on you.
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OT Smithers
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Posted - 2010.07.25 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: tagen young
As people have said there is a max amount of sp that is used in flying a particular ship so you can become as good as a older player in flying them.
How long does it take, in months, to max all relevant skills in any one race's frigates. Obviously you should include all nav skills, all mechanical, all shield or armor, all weapons the ship might use, learning skills, etc.
How long before that new player is competetive in JUST that one class of T1 frigates -- frigates that our theoretical vet opponent would only be flying on a lark?
Because that's the kicker. PvP isn't taking place in T1 frigates other than as part of some cheap-fleet stunt.
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Jennifer Fenring
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.07.25 23:10:00 -
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Originally by: OT Smithers Because that's the kicker. PvP isn't taking place in T1 frigates other than as part of some cheap-fleet stunt.
Hey there's always some need for tackling frigate cannon fodder .. at least you're still useful!
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OT Smithers
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Posted - 2010.07.25 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifer Fenring
Originally by: OT Smithers Because that's the kicker. PvP isn't taking place in T1 frigates other than as part of some cheap-fleet stunt.
Hey there's always some need for tackling frigate cannon fodder .. at least you're still useful!
Problem solved!
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Helen Hunts
Gallente Red Dragon Mining inc Red Dragon Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.26 17:14:00 -
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Newbs have all kinds of usefulness:
Suicide tackler (of larger ships)
Salvage cleanup following the vets
Cheap grunt labor
"What's on the other side of this gate? A trap? Hey Newb, jump through!"
Source of fresh-eyed wonder (HEY, what's THAT?)
Source of amusement (Hey, What's THAT? "It's a [fill in the blank] about to [something destructive]" huh? BOOOM)
Every corp should have at least one newb around at all times, really. _______________________________
Mine da rocks, make more ships. Pop da rats, make more rigs. Sell da gear, make more money.
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