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WaringAndWhoring
Gallente FEDERATION DEFENCE TECHNOLOGIES
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Posted - 2010.07.15 13:32:00 -
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I've been living in a Wormhole for the past month and I thought I had the settings correct for POS defense but recently I had a few stealth bombers de-cloak for about 5 seconds and warp off at the POS and I'm not sure on lock times for POS sentry's but I want to double check that I have it configured correctly.
When the bombers de-cloaked I had it set to "Attack if corporation standing is less than 10". After that questionable move by the bombers I have also checked "Attack if security status is less than 10". Was wondering if the corporation standing option only works towards corps/alliances that you actually have standing set with? I dunno the bombers did run off after those 5 seconds that they were de-cloaked but it may have been cuz I de-cloaked them with my ship and not the sentry's targeting them.
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Lady Ayeipsia
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Posted - 2010.07.15 13:47:00 -
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It's a lock time issue. Look at the scan resolution of the modules.
A kestrel (frigate) is around 400 scan resolution. A Raven (battleship) is around 85. A Warp Scram POS battery is 30.
So basically, the 5 seconds you saw the bomber was not long enough for the module to lock the target.
As for them running off decloaked... you cannot cloak when someone is trying to lock you I believe. So most likely, unless you were very close with your ship, the POS modules were trying to lock the SBs, it just takes a while.
This is also why a favored stealth bomber tactic is to allign such that their target is between them and a celestial object they can warp. This way they can uncloak, launch bomb, and be in warp cloaking before anyone gets a chance to target them.
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WaringAndWhoring
Gallente FEDERATION DEFENCE TECHNOLOGIES
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Posted - 2010.07.15 13:58:00 -
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Thanks, that was my suspicion that it was a scan resolution thing with the sentry's but just wanted to be sure.
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Induc
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.07.15 18:11:00 -
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As said above, it's a locking time issue. With the stealth bombers tiny signtaure a small gun would take around 9 sec to lock it, and a medium around 30 sec, while a warp disruption/scrambling array would need almost a minute and a half.
Also, you can cloak while something is locking you, just not when someone has locked you.
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Yuddhisthira
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Posted - 2010.07.15 23:18:00 -
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Edited by: Yuddhisthira on 15/07/2010 23:19:09
Originally by: WaringAndWhoring I didn't want to be one of those noobs who got their pos thrown into reinforced mode due to 17 istars laying wast to my pos cuz I didn't have my setting right hahahaha.
I'm an Ishtar pilot and reading this made me spit coffee all over my monitor.
Confirming that your POS is safe from a pack of Ishtars.
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Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2010.07.16 02:35:00 -
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Edited by: Andrea Griffin on 16/07/2010 02:39:05 I hit towers with bombers all the time, just for fun and to see what kind of hornet's nest I can stir up. Always a giggle when I start to see local fill up and get hate mail.
Here's how it is done:
Make a bookmark about 10km from the thing you want to shoot. Align towards a celestial on the other side. Uncloak, target, shoot. Right before the torps hit, warp out. As long as you're still on grid, even if you're in warp, the torps will do damage.
The tower modules take 5-10 seconds to lock on, by then you're in warp and completely safe. Fix Rockets in '08 '09 2010 2011 2012?! |
Laina Delapore
Caldari Red Sun Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.16 08:56:00 -
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Originally by: Induc
Also, you can cloak while something is locking you, just not when someone has locked you.
No, you can't. Soon as something starts locking, no cloaky for you. But meh, as soon as the POS starts locking you, you warp off and cloak once you're in warp. |
WaringAndWhoring
Gallente FEDERATION DEFENCE TECHNOLOGIES
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Posted - 2010.07.16 10:56:00 -
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Originally by: Laina Delapore
Originally by: Induc
Also, you can cloak while something is locking you, just not when someone has locked you.
No, you can't. Soon as something starts locking, no cloaky for you. But meh, as soon as the POS starts locking you, you warp off and cloak once you're in warp.
Yeah my alt fly's a bomber and I can confirm that once someone starts locking you, no more cloak for you. I recently lost a bomber due to bad luck warping in on a planet at 30k thinking the person I was after warped in at 0k or 100k but I landed right on his myrm. My intent was to get close so my fleet could warp in on me and then I move out of the way as they warp and pounce him. Anyway I over shot him at about 3k but got de-cloaked as I flew right threw him. I tried cloaking the second I came out of warp but he was spamming lock on me and beat me to the cloak so I could not cloak as he locked me, after that drones and blasters ended my ships life as I tried to burn away from him as fast as I could. I went pop at 11k trying to warp off, so close! But we killed him moments later so that made me feel a little better.
I try to use my bomber to find people cuz people always run when they see probes.
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Agent Unknown
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.07.19 02:08:00 -
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Edited by: Agent Unknown on 19/07/2010 02:08:34
Originally by: WaringAndWhoring
Originally by: Laina Delapore
Originally by: Induc
Also, you can cloak while something is locking you, just not when someone has locked you.
No, you can't. Soon as something starts locking, no cloaky for you. But meh, as soon as the POS starts locking you, you warp off and cloak once you're in warp.
Yeah my alt fly's a bomber and I can confirm that once someone starts locking you, no more cloak for you. I recently lost a bomber due to bad luck warping in on a planet at 30k thinking the person I was after warped in at 0k or 100k but I landed right on his myrm. My intent was to get close so my fleet could warp in on me and then I move out of the way as they warp and pounce him. Anyway I over shot him at about 3k but got de-cloaked as I flew right threw him. I tried cloaking the second I came out of warp but he was spamming lock on me and beat me to the cloak so I could not cloak as he locked me, after that drones and blasters ended my ships life as I tried to burn away from him as fast as I could. I went pop at 11k trying to warp off, so close! But we killed him moments later so that made me feel a little better.
I try to use my bomber to find people cuz people always run when they see probes.
Incorrect on the cloaking. You couldn't cloak because there is a cooldown for it (approx. 10 seconds), so the cloak will not activate after you get decloaked. You can cloak while something is trying to target you but is not yellow-boxed yet. I forgot to mention that you are in fact reading something that is called a signature. |
Laina Delapore
Caldari Red Sun Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.19 09:29:00 -
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Originally by: Agent Unknown Edited by: Agent Unknown on 19/07/2010 02:08:34
Incorrect on the cloaking. You couldn't cloak because there is a cooldown for it (approx. 10 seconds), so the cloak will not activate after you get decloaked. You can cloak while something is trying to target you but is not yellow-boxed yet.
This requires a little clarification. Fundamentally, if you have just uncloaked / been decloaked due to proximity you are immediately vulnerable to being locked. In the situation described above, the bomber pilot had just warped in and decloaked. His cloak is in cooldown and his ship is temporarily invulnerable due to the period in which it "drops out of warp". I.e it's on grid, on overview but if you try to target it you will get "Target is invulnerable" messages.
Essentially, the Myrm pilot is trying to target the bomber (by repeatedly clicking on the Lock target button). As soon as the bombers post-warp period of invulnerability ends, the Myrm begins locking and the bomber cannot cloak. Chances are, from the description, the Myrm pilot was ready and had moved towards the bomber/deployed drones and was able to keep the bobmer from cloaking by proximity as well.
A similar, but different, situation occurs when a bomber or other covert cloaked ship exits gate cloak, aligns and cloaks. At this point, the interval between the pilot leaving gatecloak and engaging his own cloak is so tiny, you have no chance to lock the target, even though he appears on grid and overview. In these situations, you will generally only catch stealth pilots who are a) in a bubble and your fast tackle gets a decloak on them. b) in a bubble and unfortunate enough to land within decloak of drones, cans, wrecks or other ships in your camp. c) slow to engage their cloak after leaving gatecloak.
Attempts to target these ships during their brief window of visibility will result in messages along the lines "Targetting attempt failed as target object is no longer present." |
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WaringAndWhoring
Gallente FEDERATION DEFENCE TECHNOLOGIES
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Posted - 2010.07.19 12:57:00 -
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Yeah your both right it was the cooldown I was just so busy going back and forth between windows I didn't see the message.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.19 13:28:00 -
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Quote: As soon as the bombers post-warp period of invulnerability ends, the Myrm begins locking and the bomber cannot cloak.
Read the post you quoted.
He couldnt cloak because he recently was cloaked. After you decloak a bomber you cant cloak for 10 seconds or so. Cov ops frigs for example dont have this limitation.
And i am rather sure you can cloak while being locked, just not when locked.
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Laina Delapore
Caldari Red Sun Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.20 08:11:00 -
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Edited by: Laina Delapore on 20/07/2010 08:11:20
Originally by: Furb Killer
Quote: As soon as the bombers post-warp period of invulnerability ends, the Myrm begins locking and the bomber cannot cloak.
Read the post you quoted.
He couldnt cloak because he recently was cloaked. After you decloak a bomber you cant cloak for 10 seconds or so. Cov ops frigs for example dont have this limitation.
Yes they do. The reactivation delay on a Covert Ops Cloaking device is 30 seconds. Neither stealth bombers nor covert ops frigates receive a skill or role bonus to this.
His inability to cloak due to cooldown aside, he still wouldn't have been able to recloak as soon as the Myrmidon begins to target. Please note that I did state that his cloak was in cooldown early in my post. What I moved on to discuss was the reason it may appear as though you should have time to cloak, but don't.
The Myrm pilot starts spamming Lock as soon the bomber is visible on grid. Post-warp invulnerability drops, and the Myrm begins to target. Even if sufficient time had elapsed (I honestly have no idea how long you remain invulnerable immediately after you land from warp), he still wouldn't have been able to cloak.
Originally by: Furb Killer
Quote: And i am rather sure you can cloak while being locked, just not when locked.
You really can't. I'll happily demonstrate this, if you like. For an easy experiment, fit a cloak on any ship, fly it into a mission, wait until a rat goes yellow, then try cloaking. |
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