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Cearain
Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2010.07.15 21:47:00 -
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That is how I would title the csm minutes I just read. What I read is CCP is going to work on Incarna and Dust 514 for the next two years instead of eve.
LetÆs face it, both are different games than eve. Incarna is some sort of sci fi second life and Dust 514 canÆt even be played on a pc. PI û I havenÆt tried it as it just seems tedious. Maybe itÆs important for dust 514, but I really donÆt care.
IÆm not against either of these games (Dust or Incarna) and I hope ccp does well with them. But the only reason is because I hope they make more money to spend on eve. However I do have some expectation that *some* of the money I spend on this mmo will go into the game I actually play and love.
Tyranis was the worst expansion. The only thing that even remotely captured my attention made me wince. A cheap T1 battleship used to be a good way to fight even though you were against larger numbers. The insurance would allow you to get back the cost of the hull plus some of the expensive large mods. Now that is gone so there is no cost effective way to fight when you are outnumbered. That sums up tyranis for me.
ôArnar, Matt and Guilhem responded that Low Sec is a bit broken, is not what it should be and CCP are aware of this. A specific Low Sec expansion is not on the 18 month plan; however CCP is looking into a combat expansion, where combat awareness and information regarding combat would be refined for the user (not the combat mechanics themselves), which would benefit every EVE player rather on focusing just on Low Sec. At the moment CCP are focusing on Planetary Interaction and Incarna but maybe next summer there could be a combat expansion rather than a feature specific expansion. Even though CCP would like to change Low Sec it will not happen in the next eighteen months. ô
What does this mean? ôcombat awareness and information would be refined?ö Will the overview indicate who is neuting us? Will it make it clear who is scramming you as opposed to just disrupting you? CCP, you have to understand that this is not what people who play eve want to hear. Remember we are the ones who actually like eve enough to pay for it every month to play. As far as IÆm concerned you might as well tell us you will not spend any time in the next two years on eve because all your focus is on this really cool new ôtwilightö game your making complete with hunky werewolves suave vampires. Until you guys are actually going to work on eve why have a csm? Is it to grief us? When you want to start working on EVE again reconvene the csm and let us know what your thoughts are.
-Cearain
Make fw occupancy pvp instead of pve: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906 |
Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.07.15 22:12:00 -
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I'm not happy with CCP right now, but there is really no need for a twelfth thread on this issue. Inappropriate signature removed. Zymurgist |
FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.15 22:25:00 -
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Edited by: FinnAgain Zero on 15/07/2010 22:29:16 1. Yes, we have many, many threads on this already. 2. And evidently we're now not allowed to use the sig that criticizes CCP for abandoning EVE's problems? Not that I am discussing moderation at all, only mentioning it. ------------------------------------------------
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Cearain
Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2010.07.16 00:08:00 -
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It's one thing to say they are not going to focus on fixing old features before they bring out new ones, but here they are saying they aren't even planning *anything* new or old for eve. They are simply working on different games.
In apocrypha they gave us a new feature - wormholes. Some people may be uspset and think they should have fixed older features instead. But at least it was an expansion in eve. Now they are effectively saying they won't do anything for eve - not adding new features not fixing old. Just working on dust and incarna.
-Cearain
Make fw occupancy pvp instead of pve: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906 |
Marlakh
Minmatar Knights of the Silver Dawn Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.16 02:22:00 -
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The OP's claims could be considered slanderous to CCP. CCP has not abandoned Eve. Dust and Incarna are enhancements to the overall Eve universe and experience.
The CSM minutes has stated clearly that CCP will devote more resources to fixing issues with existing features. I think that will be the appropriate (though overdue) time to carry this out, after major expansions that will bring the game to the next level.
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2010.07.16 03:37:00 -
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Originally by: Marlakh CCP has not abandoned Eve. Dust and Incarna are enhancements to the overall Eve universe and experience.
Bull****.
Originally by: Marlakh
The CSM minutes has stated clearly that CCP will devote more resources to fixing issues with existing features after both expansions.
Yes in 2-3 years time.
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fibergunner
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Posted - 2010.07.16 04:42:00 -
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Also CCP minerals nerf or maybe ... screwup? basically have nerfed the Drone region terribly. After 6+ years in this game I am wondering wtf are they thinking. I am losing my attention span for this game. Soon it will be time to start turning accounts off just because I am not doing as much anymore in it. Owell its been a nice run. Been messing around on the Perpetuum Beta. A big change that is for sure. Bored... spin ships faster..o/
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Wintron Auto
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.16 12:58:00 -
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Edited by: Wintron Auto on 16/07/2010 12:58:51 yeah, and, *WE* are all going to "abandon" EVE if CCP doesn't S(traighten)TFU (and it won't take two years)
how can they use our money to make some other game that i'll never play, and then tell us that they don't have resources to work on our game for 18-24+ months?
sound familiar much?
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Cearain
Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2010.07.16 14:49:00 -
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LOL I'm not going to rage quit over this. Eve is still a great game. But I am trying to communicate my own player opinion that (from the tiny bit I know about them) I see dust and incarna as basically separate games.
Dust is obviously different. Incarna although I suppose I will be able to walk in stations with my eve account is of very little interest to me. I always thought ok this will be some minor throw in that they are working on. I knew my current interest in eve (FW) was put on the back burner. But I had no idea that they basically halted work on everything - missions - fw - null sec - high sec - low sec - wormholes - balancing - you name it - in order to focus in on incarna and dust.
I mean they do throw us some sort of bone with the combat expansion. I quoted that in my op. But we (or at least I) have no idea what that means. Can we get some idea here what that is? Because that and lag seems to be the only thing eve related that they have going on.
-Cearain
Make fw occupancy pvp instead of pve: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906 |
Cailais
Amarr THE ORDAINED
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Posted - 2010.07.16 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Wintron Auto Edited by: Wintron Auto on 16/07/2010 12:58:51 yeah, and, *WE* are all going to "abandon" EVE if CCP doesn't S(traighten)TFU (and it won't take two years)
how can they use our money to make some other game that i'll never play, and then tell us that they don't have resources to work on our game for 18-24+ months?
sound familiar much?
It ceased being your money when you gave it to them.
C.
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Wintron Auto
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.16 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: Cailais
Originally by: Wintron Auto Edited by: Wintron Auto on 16/07/2010 12:58:51 yeah, and, *WE* are all going to "abandon" EVE if CCP doesn't S(traighten)TFU (and it won't take two years)
how can they use our money to make some other game that i'll never play, and then tell us that they don't have resources to work on our game for 18-24+ months?
sound familiar much?
It ceased being your money when you gave it to them.
C.
so your message here is... cancel our accounts, right? if not, you musta meant to say something else
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Durnin Stormbrow
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Posted - 2010.07.16 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: Wintron Auto ...and by the way - i find this funny, though you may not understand - there are still *some* people to this day who pay SOE to play SWG
Some people would play anything wrapped up in the SW world, simply because it is SW. That, and from what I hear from the single old friend that still plays, the game has had *some* good elements put back.
Myself, I couldn't have cared less about the SW skin. I'd have played the pre-CU game if it was dressed up as Smurfs Online. Because at its core it was a good game that like this one, needed some balance & polish. If they'd have simply made doc buffs percentage based like entertainer buffs and reigned in the most OP weapons... I'm falling off topic; easy to do with something when you're passionate about it.
I guess my point is that EvE was a great game with huge potential as it was in 2006. Many of the features added to the core game have had HUGE potential for adding great new toys for us to play with in our sandbox; but CCP hasn't followed through with their features.
IMO, if they feel that a release date has to be a drop dead date to release core functions to a new feature, so be it; but stay on THAT feature until its implementation in the live game makes the dev team happy. Once they get to that point, see how that new feature is affecting the rest of the game, then decide on actions to take in a balance/polish pass. Only then should they look around at the core game as a whole and decide if something is missing.
Notice, I said "if something is missing". Not, "what can we add now." If a game is complete, polished & balanced, it doesn't need to have major new features every 6-12 months to be popular. Look at Diablo II & Starcraft. DII hasn't had a major feature added since LoD in 2001. SC hasn't had a major feature added since BW in 1998. They're both still available at major retailers as a boxed set. Why? Because for each of them the core game is complete, polished & balanced.
EvE is a great game with loads of potential, but the game isn't polished or balanced. If CCP would give us polish & balance, it would be readily apparent if players felt it wasn't complete, and what was missing. Unfortunately, they've always been too focused on the next big feature to look at where their game is. Now they're focusing on features that distract from the core game, and leaving them unfinished.
I have no issue with CCP developing other titles, but the EvE dev team needs to be focused on the core elements of EvE; flying & destroying internet spaceships with other people for fun. Every aspect of EvE, and every change to EvE should give a reason to pew pew, be a way to pew pew, make pew pew more fun, or be a way to get more stuff to pew pew with and pew pew on. Anything else is a distraction from what EvE is.
Dominion traded one Sov snafu for another. EvE did not need PI. The BPO's for NPC goods could have used existing resources and facilities. WiS is not needed to improve the core game, it's needed to distract from it. Dust isn't even the same game.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.16 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Marlakh Edited by: Marlakh on 16/07/2010 02:34:53 The OP's claims could be considered slanderous to CCP. CCP has not abandoned Eve. Dust and Incarna are enhancements to the overall Eve universe and experience.
The CSM minutes has stated clearly that CCP will devote more resources to fixing issues with existing features after both expansions. I think that will be the appropriate (though overdue) time to carry this out, after major expansions that will bring the game to the next level.
Quote: CCP stated that once Incarna and Planetary Interaction/Dust 514 are fully implemented, focus will probably shift far more towards improvement of existing features.
"Probably" don't sound lilke "We will do it" but like a "Maybe".
It is as much probable that CCP would spend the resources they have fixing Incarna and Dust (and at the time they will be "existing" features, so that phrase will even be true) instead of fixing older content.
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Dariah Stardweller
Gallente Gung-Ho
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Posted - 2010.07.17 10:59:00 -
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Originally by: FinnAgain Zero Edited by: FinnAgain Zero on 15/07/2010 22:29:16 1. Yes, we have many, many threads on this already. 2. And evidently we're now not allowed to use the sig that criticizes CCP for abandoning EVE's problems? Not that I am discussing moderation at all, only mentioning it.
They don't have a big sense of humor over at CCP it seems
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Dirk Mortice
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Posted - 2010.07.22 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Wintron Auto
how can they use our money to make some other game that i'll never play, and then tell us that they don't have resources to work on our game for 18-24+ months?
sound familiar much?
You know that's how new games get made right? You take the profits from the old ones and pay devs with it? Jesus, don't be stupid
I don't really agree with CCPs plans for EVE atm but suggesting that you're some sort of shareholder and have a say in how they spend the dough is ridiculous
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Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.07.22 19:11:00 -
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Broken and bugged as Eve may be, there still isn't any better MMO that I can find. So the OP can make his loud "I'm leaving" claim and I will dutifully ask can I has your stuff?
This signature is useless, but it is red.
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Jack Gilligan
Caldari 1st Cavalry Division Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.07.23 12:17:00 -
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I think DUST514 will be CCP's NGE.
They are completely wasting their efforts on it. For one thing, the concept of a console MMO has never been proven (it is silly to not at least offer a PC client), and it is clearly taking effort away from the existing and successful EVE game. I am not against Incarna as it is an expansion of EVE, but I think that DUST514, unless conceptually changed into an addition to the PC based game should go.
Besides, console kidz who want to play MMOs probably have a PC and play WOW anyway.
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Gilgamesh1980
The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2010.07.23 14:00:00 -
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aww sometimes I wish my alliance Dev'd the game cause CCP is getting much more emo tears than we are recently :-)
I didn't see in the notes that CCP said they were going to do nothing to EVE in the next 18 months, this seemed to be only related to losec.
on the contrary, they also said that some things were coming in the winter expansion, now I know that Iceland has freaky day and night cycles, but I am sure their winter isn't another 18 months ago either, so we will still be seeing things coming up
a lot of people like to complain like silly little spoilt brats, however you can't make everything better for everyone and what they want.
I have had some ups and downs recently but even with that and nearly quitting eve myself, I have found myself coming back to the same things in here that I have always loved this game for, and that is to do what I want, and as long as I have that freedom in the game I will embrace changes rather than cry about things I never had.
if I would buy a new TV after considering it, I would be someone who would write a crappy letter to the manufacturer to give me new stuff what I think I should have had with it, you pay for what you get.
if you don't like what you get or see it is still your right to cancel and leave the game.
I would even like to see ANY other game developer who brings such a commitment to their game and especially to their players as CCP does, and yes I have been to two fanfests in the past and also had the pleasure of meeting some of the guys while there.
CCP also needs to consider how to expand their business, and I think it is great of them to do this within a universe they have created instead of completely ignoring this world they built and do something completely different, this alone is a sign of loyalty to EVE and its future.
if more devs are needed to do it, then fair play, and that their decision, I highly doubt they are going to start ignoring what they have made and achieved so far and also completely ignore the fact that they need to expand their business cause a minute few seem to not understand that.
I could go on, but tbh I canÆt be bothered because I am now going to leave the office, go home and logon to eve and enjoy some time with friends in a game I like and love
Federic 'Gilgamesh1980' Chopin
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Posted - 2010.07.23 19:29:00 -
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CCP will only be allowed to support Dust 514 for 18 months for Xbox live due to their software agreement.
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Cearain
Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2010.07.24 02:56:00 -
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Edited by: Cearain on 24/07/2010 02:56:36 Its interesting that people think my observation that "CCP is abandoning eve" = "I am going to rage quit." Logic is not easily taught so I won't try, other than to say that is a non sequitur.
As to the poster who said they are working on eve I think I quoted the part about the one small bit they are going to throw us. I don't know what to make of it.
The subsequent dev blog by zulu basically verified that the vast majority if ccp resources will be spent on things other than spaceships. I have heard the number of people they listed for dust only includes those interfacing with eve.(accordinly there are many more employees than what was listed working on dust) Moreover I thought there was some other games ccp was working on beside dust incarna and eve. (again proving that the percentage of resources spent on eve spaceships is even tinier.) So I think the headline of this post is fairly well substantiated and no longer even controversial.
Does that mean I will quit? No they aren't changing eve for the worse. (although I thought tyranis did indeed make the game slightly worse with cost of battlships and would prefer they "untyranis" eve. That is relatively minor) They just aren't making it better either. Eve spaceships aint gonna change much in the next 2 years.
-Cearain
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Jack Gilligan
Caldari 1st Cavalry Division Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.07.24 04:03:00 -
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Originally by: Turdilious CCP will only be allowed to support Dust 514 for 18 months for Xbox live due to their software agreement.
If THAT is the case (assuming what you say is true) then spending even one dollar more on it's development is asinine.
This does bring up a salient point with respect to console vs PC... When you develop for console, you are at the mercy and whim of the console's manufacturer. The PC is open to everyone. So is the Mac.
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Clumsy Pilot
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Posted - 2010.07.24 13:13:00 -
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If i understood correctly, combat expansion is a combat UI update, where ccp will improve the way battle-related information is displayed, so, perhaps CSM should get right on with what they whant to see included in that expansion, how interface should be changed, (overloading? Direction dectors?). I would consider that important.
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Cearain
Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2010.07.24 15:17:00 -
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Yes what you suggest would be nice, I agree. Since they didn't mention any ui changes in the discussion specifically about ui I'm thinking they meant something else. That is why I ask what could they mean by that.
I'm thinking it they might mean the maps will better indicate where ships are being blown up in surrounding areas. Which would be not so great. But it could also mean they will revamp the tactical overlay - which could be very good.
Whatever "it" is "it" is the only thing that seems to involve eve and unfortunately we don't know what i"t" is. I'm assuming its covered under the nda so csm can't talk about it. -Cearain
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2010.07.27 07:13:00 -
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When the tactical overlay came up in fanfest round-tables Noah reacted like he had wanted to scrap the feature because he believed no one used it.
Not like it's the only thing that gives you any kind of perspective or anything.
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