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Diesel Grip
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Posted - 2010.07.16 16:27:00 -
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Hello there,
I run a small high sec research pos. As many of you who also run pos's, you would have noticed a huge increase in pos fuel costs. What I would like to open up a discussion on; how the increase in pos fuel costs will effect invention and the T2 market.
Where prior to PI, my pos cost me about 32m a month to run, it is currently up to 79m a month.
My prediction is that some people who pay attention to what their pos is worth, will either shift to larger invention projects, or pull their tower down. In doing so, this should further saturate the market with T2 cruisers and larger, while the smaller stuff drys up a bit and will leave the market to the T2 BPO owners who manufacture.
It seems to me that the increase in pos fuel would be fine if it were a competitive market between inventors. However the T2 BPO's really seem to throw a monkey wrench into the economy should balance out here.
What are your thoughts and opinions?
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.07.16 16:34:00 -
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The economic theory is that more people will enter the click grind fest as prices go up. I don't think it's true, but its the theory. In either case, high POS costs do seem like they'd **** with the invention vs T2 profitability. Akita, what say you?
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Merdaneth
Amarr Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
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Posted - 2010.07.16 16:43:00 -
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Edited by: Merdaneth on 16/07/2010 16:44:07
Originally by: Liang Nuren The economic theory is that more people will enter the click grind fest as prices go up. I don't think it's true, but its the theory. In either case, high POS costs do seem like they'd **** with the invention vs T2 profitability. Akita, what say you?
-Liang
People will move back a large part of their production to stations, and copy POSses will be up for brief periods of frenzied copy activity, since that is the only hurdle in the invention chain where there aren't enough non-POS options.
More casual players will be the first to take down their POSses of course, since they will be running into non-profitability sooner. ____
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Mr M
Legion of Illuminated Social Rejects
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Posted - 2010.07.16 16:55:00 -
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Edited by: Mr M on 16/07/2010 16:55:32 In short, no.
But have a look here http://www.evegeek.com/data/datacore.csv that's the datacore prices in empire space since July last year. The subsystem datacores prices above millions down to just above 10k today.
I'm quite sure the prices on components from planetary interaction will drop too when more try it. It's not that profitable but it takes quite low skills and for a young noob a couple of mil now and then can be a nice addition to mining and missioniong.
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Belid Hagen
Shade. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2010.07.16 17:10:00 -
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There is nowhere near enough T2 BPO's in the game to keep up with demand. Thus prices will have to follow invention costs, just as it has the last 2-3 years. Yes, T2 BPO holders may see a slight rise in income per unit built, but so what, It won't affect market prices, and it wont affect inventors.
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Jovialmadness
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Posted - 2010.07.16 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Belid Hagen There is nowhere near enough T2 BPO's in the game to keep up with demand. Thus prices will have to follow invention costs, just as it has the last 2-3 years. Yes, T2 BPO holders may see a slight rise in income per unit built, but so what, It won't affect market prices, and it wont affect inventors.
Thats sorta true and sorta not true. Tech 2 bpo holders can easily keep up with demand even if invention was removed. How? Rewind to 2005. Cap charger II's costing 35 mil a pop or hulks costing 450 mil a pop. Granted i agree with how it is now inventors set a standard average price due to their massive production numbers. T2 holders simply nibble around those figures undercutting when necessary. |
Diesel Grip
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Posted - 2010.07.17 22:48:00 -
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Using the subsystem datacore prices leave you way off your mark. First, those items never existed in game before those initial prices started rolling in. Second, I believe it took at least a couple weeks for even the very first T3 to show up on the market, let alone to come to a balance of where people value it. Third, those datacores have a very specific use and the time invested into getting them is not levied against any other items.
POS fule prices seem to rely on one very flawed thing; Noobs always being around, it really isn't worth anyones time who have the SP to kill an NPC battlecruiser.
If anything we should be experiencing LOW prices right now because of all the hype on the new feature causing an over saturated market. If these are the prices we see from all the hype, I see the prices going up till it becomes profitable for people to actually do. Which a lot of high sec research pos's will be coming down because of.
I am not saying it is the invention apocalypse here, but if you think that high sec pos's coming down isn't a boost to T2 BPOs, then you are really obstinate. We are not talking about a black and white situation here, things will go on, but the loss of even a few inventors is a boost to T2 BPO's.
Really when it all comes down to it, I feel cheated every time I am reminded that T2 BPO's are in the game, because this would balance out if they were not in the game.
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Boonaki
Caldari DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.18 00:41:00 -
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make your own pos fuel? 3 characters with 4 planets you can make all the non ice based fuel you need. While PI is a click fest, it's not to hard. Sigs are for losers. Yes this is a sig. |
SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2010.07.18 01:05:00 -
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I don't see that having any significant effect on anything. While it is a fairly large percentage increase, both 32 million and 79 million a month are utterly trivial sums. --------------- Faction-Militia:Player-Alliance::Newbie-corp:Player-corp |
Diesel Grip
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Posted - 2010.07.18 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: Boonaki make your own pos fuel? 3 characters with 4 planets you can make all the non ice based fuel you need. While PI is a click fest, it's not to hard.
I am having a hard time seeing how inventors spending more time to get the same thing done prior to PI is the same balance invention had with T2 BPO's prior to PI. Could you explain that logic in further detail?
Originally by: SurrenderMonkey I don't see that having any significant effect on anything. While it is a fairly large percentage increase, both 32 million and 79 million a month are utterly trivial sums.
Good, then you will put your money where your mouth is and cover the cost of mine, and anyone else who comes forward, for the next year. Send me 564 mil and your comment will be validated.
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