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Ophelia Ursus
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Posted - 2010.07.24 11:08:00 -
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It does seem odd that the faction navies are aware of an outlaw's status and position the instant he jumps into a highsec system, but the Guristas can routinely smuggle large fleets down from Venal into Motsu without the slightest difficulty.
Most peculiar. Maybe if CCP wanted a little more verisimilitude, they should simply remove all anti-pirate missions from highsec. Signature removed. |
Lady Aja
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.07.24 11:22:00 -
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he wants anti faction missions GONE! I asked a question and pretty clear he dont want anti faction missiosn which means no more tags to collect which means cant get the items i make 2b isk a week from.
Who said i was attacking the noob?
report my "attacks" I dont really care thats what my other accounts are for.
Originally by: DeMichael Crimson
Originally by: Lady Aja Ottman are you that ******ed that you want to cut off dogtags for lp stores?
thats what you are wanting! most of the best mods require dogtags and many many amounts of them. So you want to spend hundreads of millions of isk on tags to buy a blue print or a item you are after?
stop thinking of your self .. all i am seeing now is "memememememe!"
if anythign ccp should have a anti-empire version of all missions with the option to pick them anytime a mission runner wishes.
Lady Aja:
1st, You really ought to re-look at what you're writing. Ottman never said anything about cutting out tags for LP stores. Actually it looks like you're the one saying 'Me me me me me me me'.
2nd, Why the constant attack on Ottman all the time? This is almost like a harassment type thing. Almost every posted reply of yours is a flame troll aimed mainly at him.
3rd, your last remark (if anythign ccp should have a anti-empire version of all missions with the option to pick them anytime a mission runner wishes) was already posted up above earlier in this thread which I believe you and a few others didn't agree with it.
4th, I'm about done with all of this. I almost clicked the 'Report' button instead of 'Reply'.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.07.24 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: Ottman in real life its up to you which choice you do, in eve i want the same kind of freedom,
You do. You are entirely free to choose which missions you don't want to do.
Quote: but when i want to play the game the way i want, what means that i have my standings balanced in a way to be able to fly through complete empire space and not to **** my agents off, then you get definetly in trouble.
No. Balancing empire standings is ridiculously easy and there are very clear and very explicit mechanics that let you avoid large hits and/or making yourself a persona non-grata. If you choose not to make use of these, you can't really come back and complain that the game offers you no choice: you just made one and you're unhappy with it ù that's your fault, no an issue with the game.
Quote: the only choice you have then is to decline the missions you dont want and to get the agent standings hit, but for me thats not an option, because the agent standings hit is to big
Eh no. The standings hit is zero. Unless you have chosen to restrict yourself to just one single agent, or chosen not to build up a big buffer, or chosen not to get the skills that let you bypass these issues.
You have choices coming out of your ears, and it's your choice to ignore them.
Originally by: DeMichael Crimson Tippia, you're not even worth the time or effort to write this.
So you agree, then, since you can't think of a single counter-argument? Good.
Originally by: DeMichael Crimson I highly doubt that you or Lady Aja knows more about mission running or Inter-Faction standings than I do. [à] [Highsec] should be a no fire zone (Weapon lock out) for everyone with only courier, trade, exploration and industrial missions being offered
See, you that alone disproves everything you say: if you don't understand why highsec is the way is is, then no, you don't have any knowledge about EVE, much less about inter-faction standings. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Melina Havlock
Yusheng Industries Ltd
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Posted - 2010.07.24 12:08:00 -
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In the several hundred level 4 missions I have done for Amarr, my Gallente / Minmatar standings have not moved a single bit.
If standings are that big a deal to you then do some research in what regions agents give barely any anti faction missions and not make stupid ill informed forum posts like this.
And as many have said, if an agent gives you one, DECLINE IT.
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DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2010.07.24 12:15:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: DeMichael Crimson Tippia, you're not even worth the time or effort to write this.
So you agree, then, since you can't think of a single counter-argument? Good.
Originally by: DeMichael Crimson I highly doubt that you or Lady Aja knows more about mission running or Inter-Faction standings than I do. [à] [Highsec] should be a no fire zone (Weapon lock out) for everyone with only courier, trade, exploration and industrial missions being offered
See, you that alone disproves everything you say: if you don't understand why highsec is the way is is, then no, you don't have any knowledge about EVE, much less about inter-faction standings.
ROFLMAO, yeah, keep telling yourself that. I just don't particularly like feeding trolls but in this case I'll make an exception.
I'll gladly compare my Standings against yours anytime. Actually, I'll even bet ISK that I have access to more Factions, Corporations and Agents than you.
*DeMichael Crimson is now done feeding the trolls*
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DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2010.07.24 12:36:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Melina Havlock In the several hundred level 4 missions I have done for Amarr, my Gallente / Minmatar standings have not moved a single bit.
If this is true, then you must be declining all regular encounter missions against Gallente/Minmatar as well as all Storyline Mission offers.
Originally by: Melina Havlock If standings are that big a deal to you then do some research in what regions agents give barely any anti faction missions and not make stupid ill informed forum posts like this.
Now that is a stupid ill informed reply. The Agent's Faction and Division as well as the game 'random mission selection' mechanic is what dictates the type of mission offer. Not Agent Location.
Originally by: Melina Havlock And as many have said, if an agent gives you one, DECLINE IT.
If meaning being offered an anti-faction mission and not wanting it, this is correct.
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Melina Havlock
Yusheng Industries Ltd
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Posted - 2010.07.24 13:15:00 -
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Edited by: Melina Havlock on 24/07/2010 13:16:22 My agent has never given out a kill mission toward Minmatar / Gallente. Division is Admin but my previous agent was same (just lower quality) and gave out the occasional one. Even then between declining courier / anti empire missions I was able to maintain high standing at all times with the corp and faction I was doing missions for.
Edit: I kinda went overboard with my "stupid ill informed" remark I admit, I went over my usual two glass limit with my wine
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.07.24 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: DeMichael Crimson I'll gladly compare my Standings against yours anytime. Actually, I'll even bet ISK that I have access to more Factions, Corporations and Agents than you.
So you should know that it's dead simple to do so.
Apparently, you don't, so apparently, you don't.
And any understanding you do have is, as mentioned, completely nullified by the fact that you don't understand how EVE works and why ù hence this senseless notion that highsec should be a no-fire zone. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2010.07.25 07:28:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: DeMichael Crimson I'll gladly compare my Standings against yours anytime. Actually, I'll even bet ISK that I have access to more Factions, Corporations and Agents than you.
So you should know that it's dead simple to do so.
Apparently, you don't, so apparently, you don't.
And any understanding you do have is, as mentioned, completely nullified by the fact that you don't understand how EVE works and why ù hence this senseless notion that highsec should be a no-fire zone.
Hahaha, what a troll. Where do you people come from? I'm not gonna waste my time searching. If you think you're 'all that' and more, let's post statistics (Eveboard) right here for everyone to see.
High Security? Do you even know what high security means? I highly doubt you do after seeing your reply.
I'd like to see you take a weapon of any type into a high security area such as the White House or Fort Knoxx and gank some people. In a true high security area, everyone has a background check (Security Status) done and if they are not 100% squeaky clean, they are denied access. If they are clean, they can get registered and licensed to carry and use weapons. On top of that 'Big Brother' is always watching and anything that looks suspicious is immediately checked.
Eve's high security is actually a glorified version of low sec.
Oh, by the way, next time you try to flame/troll me with a quote, how about posting the whole thing? Instead, you'd rather just quote one little part of it so you can portray it in the wrong context.
Better yet, do the world a favor and just climb back into the hell-hole you came from and go back to playing WoW.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.07.25 08:26:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 25/07/2010 08:27:38
Originally by: DeMichael Crimson High Security? Do you even know what high security means? I highly doubt you do after seeing your reply.
Do you? High security means that aggression comes at a cost. That is all it means. Low sec means that aggression costs are avoidable. Null sec means that there are no aggression costs. The hope is that this increase in costs will make people behave themselvesà mostlyà and thus provide an environment where people at least need some kind of incentive to attack you.
Quote: I'd like to see you take a weapon of any type into a high security area such as the White House or Fort Knoxx and gank some people.
Irrelevant.
Quote: Oh, by the way, next time you try to flame/troll me with a quote, how about posting the whole thing? Instead, you'd rather just quote one little part of it so you can portray it in the wrong context.
How about not, since I only discus the part I'm quoting. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
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Lady Aja
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.07.25 11:37:00 -
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op wants the game custom made for him,
no anti faction missions be able to reject missions as often as he or she desires.
Where as people like my self and a fair few others, i do know in game want MORE anti faction missions
I my self run one agent and only one agent i cba be assed running around empire trying to get the PHATEST missiosn for the KEWLEST LEWTS.
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Ottman
Amarr LoneWolf Mining Stellar Endeavors
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Posted - 2010.07.25 13:33:00 -
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well demichael, dont argue with trolls, its useless, in their narrow minds there is only room for themselves and what they want and how they see things, and if you get angry and say one wrong word they are happy to report you, so just ignore them.
and tbh, i said move those anti faction missions to the navy forces, not remove them, about tags and crap and lp stuff i dont loose a word, because i dont have to, none of my thoughts are even touching them, so look for another flaming reason :P the other option was kind of an interface at an agent to choose the mission types where players are available for, that also dont touch any vital part and is also no flaming reason, try harder use your brainz.... well if you have one ofc, havent seen an x-ray picture of your heads :P
MfG Ottman
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.07.25 13:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ottman about tags and crap and lp stuff i dont loose a word, because i dont have to, none of my thoughts are even touching them
But that's just it: your entire suggestion is a drastic change in those departments ù you just lack the understanding of the greater picture to see this. You don't seem to understand tag collection and what to put this great unknown out of your sight, with no regard for the consequences (consequences you don't see because you don't understand the mechanics at play).
Quote: the other option was kind of an interface at an agent to choose the mission types where players are available for, that also dont touch any vital part and is also no flaming reason
Again, missing the bigger picture. It touches the entire balance of mission running, and you are apparently blind to this.
So you are trying to solve a complete non-issue by ruining two delicate balance mechanics, simply because you don't understand those mechanics and because you don't understand the issue you're complaining about (or, more exactly, what makes it a non-issue that already has its own built-in solution). ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Lady Aja
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.07.25 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Ottman and tbh, i said move those anti faction missions to the navy forces, not remove them,
such as the imperial navy?
Originally by: Ottman about tags and crap and lp stuff i dont loose a word, because i dont have to, none of my thoughts are even touching them, so look for another flaming reason :P the other option was kind of an interface at an agent to choose the mission types where players are available for, that also dont touch any vital part and is also no flaming reason, try harder use your brainz.... well if you have one ofc, havent seen an x-ray picture of your heads :P[/Quote]
what we have here is... a saelf ****.. your sayign that because you dont use tags, others dont need to either so remove missions that supply tags and replace them with "normal" bounty missions.
**** meme's need to gfto out of our eve.
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Syekuda
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2010.07.25 18:25:00 -
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Just having a choice of 5 missions when your agent talks to you should be a great relief to every problem displayed here. If you don't like the faction missions, then just choose another one that is not. Problem solved. It's not the best solution but this one requires almost no code at all.
Just make a window pop up and a choice of 5 missions. An ok button and a cancel button...that's it. Make sure the missions don't repeat more than once in the list and that's it.
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Mfume Apocal
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.25 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: Syekuda
Just make a window pop up and a choice of 5 missions. An ok button and a cancel button...that's it. Make sure the missions don't repeat more than once in the list and that's it.
The opposition to this are those who believe it would be a stealth buff to level 4 mission runners. Certainly there would be nothing stopping them from simply selecting the highest ISK/hour missions every time. Apparently there is a large collection of haters that foam at the mouth whenever someone makes money in high sec.
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Lady Aja
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.07.25 22:15:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Mfume Apocal
Originally by: Syekuda
Just make a window pop up and a choice of 5 missions. An ok button and a cancel button...that's it. Make sure the missions don't repeat more than once in the list and that's it.
The opposition to this are those who believe it would be a stealth buff to level 4 mission runners. Certainly there would be nothing stopping them from simply selecting the highest ISK/hour missions every time. Apparently there is a large collection of haters that foam at the mouth whenever someone makes money in high sec.
this and the fact farmers would have a field day... they all run in groups of 5 so.. 25 missions to farm from. oh and then there is the agent hubs... imagine.. 11 q20 lvl 4 agents in one system? the farming would be insane.
I am a lvl 4 mission runner in highsec and i am not for that idea.
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weebil
Amarr industrial apocolypse
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Posted - 2010.07.26 05:35:00 -
[48]
Maybe the OP has a point. Maybe players should be able to choose between faction and non faction missions. But it would have to come with a penalty. Maybe players could only access jump clones, loot refine and faction standings for pos through the faction agents. Give people the choice between bounty isk and no faction hits, and refine/reprocess efficiency, tags, jc and faction standings
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Ottman
Amarr LoneWolf Mining Stellar Endeavors
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Posted - 2010.07.26 13:29:00 -
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well the timer is counting down anyways.... other mmo companies arent sleeping, in this winter black prophecy comes out, maybe not as complex as eve is, but reason enough for ccp to bring incarna up again, oh wait black prophecy want to bring in kind of walking in stations too ! and tbh there is a mission interface in black prophecy, even in the closed beta already, and skill system is there also, maybe not as complex as in eve, but can be an advantage. means in clear words, ccp has to think twice or they loose customers that play then black prophecy, and that is a free to play mmo without a monthly charge like eve is. its not the time to place obstacles into our gameplay, its time that we as players can personalize our gameplay the way we want, the part of ccp is to deliver features and to implement choose options which way we want to utilize these features, to say it straight. means not that one player can remove things another player want, because all decisions done only would affect the player who has done his decisions that way. this is the way i think about, and feel free to pick a little bit and to pervert the context as you trolls like to do it, i dont care :p
MfG Ottman
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Builder Robert
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Posted - 2010.07.27 02:26:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Aja he wants anti faction missions GONE! I asked a question and pretty clear he dont want anti faction missiosn which means no more tags to collect which means cant get the items i make 2b isk a week from.
You earn more isk/hour doing the anti-empire faction missions than blitzing others?
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Lady Aja
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.07.27 02:56:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Builder Robert
Originally by: Lady Aja he wants anti faction missions GONE! I asked a question and pretty clear he dont want anti faction missiosn which means no more tags to collect which means cant get the items i make 2b isk a week from.
You earn more isk/hour doing the anti-empire faction missions than blitzing others?
I recently sold 25 iNavy heatsinks for 1.4b isk to my regular buyer... coulda made more but i aint greedy. quick profit is a quick gain.
the amount of tags I get keeps me from havign to fork out isk to buy them off the market. and trust me. I am lucky if i get 1 anti faction every 30 missions.
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Ottman
Amarr LoneWolf Mining Stellar Endeavors
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Posted - 2010.07.27 03:27:00 -
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well that is not my ratio, would interest me how the frequenzy of anti faction missions gets calculated, and what kind of character based data is maybe involved in that, because 1 of 30 i dream of, i get them quite more often than that. sometimes 2-3 times a day what ruins my mission running session for the day, and often at least one per day. and i dont run more than 5-6 missions per day. hopefully you get the picture and that i find that most annoying of course. this is not the only curiositiy i experience tbh, when others can field drones while using a ship providing drone bonus, my drones get shot even when i took full aggro on my ship first. when i use drones only as side weapon system and the ship is the primary dps source then i can use drones like anyone else. but dont ask me why it is so, only ccp could answer that maybe.
MfG Ottman
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adriaans
Amarr Ankaa. Nair Al-Zaurak
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Posted - 2010.07.27 17:38:00 -
[53]
I can confirm that different agents give different ratios of missions, which gives what.. figure it out yourself.
I for one want more anti-empire... in fact i want anti-concord in low-sec.. --signature-- Support the Field Command ship boost: Here |
Lady Aja
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.07.28 11:11:00 -
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76 missions and i FINALLY got Enemies Abound and he hands it out more often than any ofther lvl 4 agent i have had.
Occasionly ( twice ) i get it twice in a row.
ccp allow me to take anti faction versiosn of the pirate missions !
PS glade i copied and pasted lol.. stupid forums bugs
Originally by: Ottman well that is not my ratio, would interest me how the frequenzy of anti faction missions gets calculated, and what kind of character based data is maybe involved in that, because 1 of 30 i dream of, i get them quite more often than that. sometimes 2-3 times a day what ruins my mission running session for the day, and often at least one per day. and i dont run more than 5-6 missions per day. hopefully you get the picture and that i find that most annoying of course. this is not the only curiositiy i experience tbh, when others can field drones while using a ship providing drone bonus, my drones get shot even when i took full aggro on my ship first. when i use drones only as side weapon system and the ship is the primary dps source then i can use drones like anyone else. but dont ask me why it is so, only ccp could answer that maybe.
MfG Ottman
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Babel
Utopian Research I.E.L. Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2010.07.28 11:26:00 -
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Edited by: Babel on 28/07/2010 11:34:14 Edited by: Babel on 28/07/2010 11:28:00
Originally by: adriaans I for one want more anti-empire... in fact i want anti-concord in low-sec..
Used to be the case that you could get anti-CONCORD/DED missions in lo/hi sec from Thukker agents. I have a feeling that this doesn't happen anymore [not checked recently though] ever since Thukkers blew up the CONCORD station in Yulai and got their standings 'tweaked' ... Cos that makes perfect sense right ? .. Maybe CONCORD now try to avoid upsetting Thukkers ?, rather than being even more incensed[sp.?] by the destruction of their station ?
Extra: I did actually get an anti-DED mission in lowsec last week, but was from a 0.0 agent based in a nullsec entry system ... I didn't even realise kill missions will send you to a different region , although I know couriers frequently do. . All generalisations are false - Discuss.
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adriaans
Amarr Ankaa. Nair Al-Zaurak
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Posted - 2010.07.28 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: Babel Edited by: Babel on 28/07/2010 11:34:14 Edited by: Babel on 28/07/2010 11:28:00
Originally by: adriaans I for one want more anti-empire... in fact i want anti-concord in low-sec..
Used to be the case that you could get anti-CONCORD/DED missions in lo/hi sec from Thukker agents. I have a feeling that this doesn't happen anymore [not checked recently though] ever since Thukkers blew up the CONCORD station in Yulai and got their standings 'tweaked' ... Cos that makes perfect sense right ? .. Maybe CONCORD now try to avoid upsetting Thukkers ?, rather than being even more incensed[sp.?] by the destruction of their station ?
Extra: I did actually get an anti-DED mission in lowsec last week, but was from a 0.0 agent based in a nullsec entry system ... I didn't even realise kill missions will send you to a different region , although I know couriers frequently do.
Yeah Thukkers no longer give anti-concord missions, which sucks
hmm wow, I've never had a single kill mission in a different region, must be very rare chance perhaps...
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Ottman
Amarr LoneWolf Mining Stellar Endeavors
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Posted - 2010.08.03 10:35:00 -
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well the difference of anti faction missions amounts ppl get from agents i have no clue why it is so, i really thought it would be like that for all of us, but seems so that is not the only thing that is quite different, its really up to ccp to explain that, and tbh... to fix it !
MfG Ottman
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Fumitsugu Sylwia
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Posted - 2010.08.03 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: Ottman well the difference of anti faction missions amounts ppl get from agents i have no clue why it is so, i really thought it would be like that for all of us, but seems so that is not the only thing that is quite different, its really up to ccp to explain that, and tbh... to fix it !
MfG Ottman
Stop whinging. You're sitting on an ISK fountain that has a perfect combination of accessibility, ease, lack of risk, payout and perks, and you're complaining about it. I don't care about what other people do with their time in Eve, but stop crying about the difficulty or downsides of the most well-payed and braindead occupation there is.
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Richard Christy
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Posted - 2010.08.03 10:59:00 -
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Well, I made it to roughly post number 40 before my will to live was completely sapped from my body. You people are funny.
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Builder Robert
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Posted - 2010.08.03 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Aja You earn more isk/hour doing the anti-empire faction missions than blitzing others?
I recently sold 25 iNavy heatsinks for 1.4b isk to my regular buyer... coulda made more but i aint greedy. quick profit is a quick gain.
the amount of tags I get keeps me from havign to fork out isk to buy them off the market. and trust me. I am lucky if i get 1 anti faction every 30 missions.
That didn't answer my question. This is all made up numbers so bear with me:
anti-faction mission: 10m/hour if you sold the tags super-duper mission: 50m/hour
Now which would be better? Obviously the 50m/hour mission because you're getting more money overall, you should even have spare money left over after buying the tags you need.
You talk about these anti-faction missions a lot but after having gone through and looted all the tags are you really making a decent amount of isk per hour?
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