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Darth Kilth
Minmatar M. Corp Academy
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Posted - 2010.07.19 08:41:00 -
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I'm looking for a fit that doesn't ask for High skills but is effective in Fleet PVP.
currently I got this fitted
[Hurricane, Hurricane: PVP ] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Power Diagnostic System II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Damage Control I
Prototype I Sensor Booster, Scan Resolution Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
220mm Medium Carbine Repeating Cannon I, EMP M 220mm Medium Carbine Repeating Cannon I, EMP M 220mm Medium Carbine Repeating Cannon I, EMP M 220mm Medium Carbine Repeating Cannon I, EMP M 220mm Medium Carbine Repeating Cannon I, EMP M 220mm Medium Carbine Repeating Cannon I, EMP M Medium Energy Neutralizer I Medium Energy Neutralizer I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Warrior I x5
Originally by: CCP Capslock OH GOD THE TESTING
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Othran
Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2010.07.19 08:48:00 -
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Edited by: Othran on 19/07/2010 08:50:26 Edited by: Othran on 19/07/2010 08:49:14 Lose the sensor booster (stop KM whoring ) and put some ewar in there - tracking disruptors or damps. I doubt you have the grid for a second LSE?
If you need the PDS to fit 2 medium neuts then get rid of one and replace with small neut. Then you can maybe fit another gyro or TE2.
Main problem with it is the sensor booster. Canes shouldn't be primary tackle :)
Edit - and as Intigo has spotted, no point.
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Amarr Supremacist
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Posted - 2010.07.19 08:49:00 -
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Depends what size the fleet is. If you're in a big fleet you are probably better off using Artillery, if you're in a small gang you may do well with ACs and a double LSE tank but should also fit a point (Warp Disruptor II) for tackling purposes.
The fit you have posted is not very good. You should not have PDS, you should fit higher tier guns and you should not have a Sensor Booster (except perhaps for an Artillery fit).
I am using T2 for these fits, merely downgrade to T1 if you can't fit it.
Standard shield fit for small gangs:
[Hurricane, New Setup 1] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Damage Control II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Warp Disruptor II
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 50W Infectious Power System Malfunction 50W Infectious Power System Malfunction 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Warrior II x5 Warrior II x1
For bigger gangs, fairly standard Arty fit that requires 1% PG implant (it should fit easier for you if you use T1):
[Hurricane, Arty Hurricane] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Damage Control II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Sensor Booster II
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Warrior II x5 Warrior II x1
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Darth Kilth
Minmatar M. Corp Academy
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Posted - 2010.07.19 08:53:00 -
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Thanks for these tips, I haven't done much PVP so far and the Hurricane is my first serious PVP BC. I'm going to try and use these tips to be a more useful part of my fleet.
Thank you very much.
Originally by: CCP Capslock OH GOD THE TESTING
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Headerman
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Posted - 2010.07.19 11:22:00 -
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Here is my take on it, neuting drones can be fun :)
[Hurricane, New Setup 1] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Damage Control II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II 'Langour' Drive Disruptor I
650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Small Energy Neutralizer II Small Energy Neutralizer II
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Acolyte EV-300 x5 Warrior II x1
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Beverly Sparks
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Posted - 2010.07.19 14:44:00 -
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Ok it takes max fitting skills and a 1% PG implant. But this is my standard Shield Logi Supported Hurricane.
If you downgrade the guns from T2, downgrade the launchers to standard launchers, you should be able to fit it with poor skills.
Medium Ancillary Current Router I's are the best thing to ever happen to LR BC's and cruisers. Use them always, never use a low slot for PG fitting problems again. Unless you are taking out Trimarks.
BTW, Nerf Trimarks, and buff everything else.
[Hurricane, LR Hurricane] Damage Control II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II
10MN MicroWarpdrive I Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Sensor Booster II
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Carbonized Lead M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Carbonized Lead M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Carbonized Lead M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Carbonized Lead M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Carbonized Lead M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Carbonized Lead M 'Arbalest' Assault Missile Launcher, Sabretooth Light Missile 'Arbalest' Assault Missile Launcher, Sabretooth Light Missile
Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Valkyrie II x1 Warrior II x4
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.07.19 19:03:00 -
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No nano in any of the shield tanked cane fits and a bay full of lulz warriors instead of 4 ec300 and an ec600 when even 425's shred frigates in a gang situation makes me think this is a massive troll.
Originally by: Balsak Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2010.07.20 03:32:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba No nano in any of the shield tanked cane fits and a bay full of lulz warriors instead of 4 ec300 and an ec600 when even 425's shred frigates in a gang situation makes me think this is a massive troll.
You use ec drones in fleet fights? Can't scrap together 1 ecm pilot? Warriors assisted to your gang's tacklers are great.
Also as far as the OP goes...
- No excuse not to fit 425's on a shield cane. - Fit a point - sensor boosters belong on artillery fits. Nano is OK - you can also fit up some poly rigs in place of extender rigs.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.07.20 05:41:00 -
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Originally by: Omarvelous
Originally by: Zeba No nano in any of the shield tanked cane fits and a bay full of lulz warriors instead of 4 ec300 and an ec600 when even 425's shred frigates in a gang situation makes me think this is a massive troll.
You use ec drones in fleet fights?
C'mon man don't pull an intigo on me.. But to answer your question: Yes, because in a normal fleet(read: gang fight and not some silly 500 vs 500 stupidity of nullsec) even several ecm boats are not enough if the opposing gang has eccm'd logi support and the lulz dps of a set of warriors in a cane is not even a factor on the outcome of said fight. Also everyone brings logis nowadays so getting in the jams is paramount. However with the op nature of ecm drones fitting those ecm drones instead of lulz warriors in your cane can vastly multiply the effectivness of you gang by using them instead of the lulz 78 dps a set of unbonused warriors give you.
Originally by: Balsak Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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Amarr Supremacist
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Posted - 2010.07.20 05:47:00 -
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You have no PvP experience. Get a clue. ____________
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.07.20 06:07:00 -
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Originally by: Amarr Supremacist You have no PvP experience. Get a clue.
I almost busted my gut on that one laughing so hard. But hey if you want to let the other guys logis rep without any consequenses then by all means load up a full flight of warriors in your cane. I'm sure that zomg 78 dps will make sure they never undock to rep again. Make sure you do it in the opposing gang though as the fc in my gangs might have some issues with stupid troll fits.
But to be fair please detail out the value of stuffing your canes 30m3 of drone bay with warriors when the gang already has moar than sufficient anti frig along. I wait humbly and patiently for you to spew.. errr grant us your infinite wisdom to set this poor inexperienced noob arights.
Originally by: Balsak Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.07.20 16:47:00 -
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So no snarky comeback eh? Guess my ecm drones jammed his browser.
Originally by: Balsak Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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Amarr Supremacist
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Posted - 2010.07.20 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Amarr Supremacist You have no PvP experience. Get a clue.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.07.20 17:21:00 -
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Edited by: Zeba on 20/07/2010 17:21:40
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist You have no PvP experience. Get a clue.
Ahh, I see he has it on auto repeat now. Guess he went afk after giving up due to getting jammed every time he went to reply.
Originally by: Balsak Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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Owen Drakkar
Terra Nostra
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Posted - 2010.07.20 17:25:00 -
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You guys are funny. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Come shoot at me, I live in Heimatar. Please? |
Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.07.20 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Owen Drakkar You guys are funny.
*bows*
Couldn't do it without intigo to provide all the necessary openings for the lulz. He is always a good fall guy for the S&M comedy specials.
Originally by: Balsak Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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Amarr Supremacist
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Posted - 2010.07.20 17:39:00 -
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For someone who is too afraid to say who his main character is and flies AML Caracals without webs (because doing higher DPS and actually killing people is overrated) you sure act like you know a lot.
Anyone competent sees you for what you are - a faceless alt with no experience in PvP. You can keep pretending though, I don't really mind. ____________
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente NME1
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Posted - 2010.07.20 17:53:00 -
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[Hurricane, works for me] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Damage Control II
Warp Disruptor II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
425mm AutoCannon II 425mm AutoCannon II 425mm AutoCannon II 425mm AutoCannon II 425mm AutoCannon II 425mm AutoCannon II Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Medium Auxiliary Thrusters I Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Warrior II
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.07.20 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: Amarr Supremacist For someone who is too afraid to say who his main character is and flies AML Caracals without webs (because doing higher DPS and actually killing people is overrated) you sure act like you know a lot.
Anyone competent sees you for what you are - a faceless alt with no experience in PvP. You can keep pretending though, I don't really mind.
*claps* Now thats much better than the auto repeat reply and actually gives us something to work with.
But now for the comedy!
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist For someone who is too afraid to say who his main character is
You can easily find every one of my active characters if you simply apply a little logic and follow the white rabbit. I have never hid who they are and will never care who knows.
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist and flies AML Caracals without webs (because doing higher DPS and actually killing people is overrated)
Yes because in a roaming gang that already has plenty of tackle you should sacrifice tank and ew mods that are of a higher value to the role of the gang so you can KILL THE WAAAB err.. FRIGATE! Besides if the frigate pilot was dumb enough to get in web range to begin with he is already dead from the gangs drone spam, neuts, etc etc. What a pilot should really think about is why they brought a caracal in the first place.
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist you sure act like you know a lot.
Welp, some might say if you know alot you tend to act like you know alot. *shrugs*
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Anyone competent sees you for what you are - a faceless alt
I'm not faceless! I haz portrait.
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist with no experience in PvP.
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist You can keep pretending though, I don't really mind.
Great! Then we can look forward to moar S&M comedy specials in the future! \o/
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Amarr Supremacist
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Posted - 2010.07.20 18:58:00 -
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Trying too hard. Tell me who your main is so I can laugh at you. ____________
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Owen Drakkar
Terra Nostra
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Posted - 2010.07.20 19:04:00 -
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.07.20 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Trying too hard. Tell me who your main is so I can laugh at you.
Not trying hard enough. Look it up yourself. Trust, you will smack yourself on the head its so simple. Matter of fact here is a rather large clue. It has something to do with Hedion.
Originally by: Balsak Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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BiggestT
Caldari Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2010.07.20 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: Amarr Supremacist For someone who is too afraid to say who his main character is and flies AML Caracals without webs (because doing higher DPS and actually killing people is overrated) you sure act like you know a lot.
Anyone competent sees you for what you are - a faceless alt with no experience in PvP. You can keep pretending though, I don't really mind.
Imo fitting a web to an AML caracal should be the exception, not the rule.
The caracal is a lame tackler; it should sit outside of point range when using AML's and orbit the fight at around 30km+, I use 2 tp's in these situations and have had no problems. EVE Trivia EVE History
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Pajama Sam
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2010.07.20 19:56:00 -
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The fits Intigo posted are pretty much spot on. I like to use resist rigs for logi supported fleets though.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.07.20 20:02:00 -
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Originally by: Pajama Sam The fits Intigo posted are pretty much spot on. I like to use resist rigs for logi supported fleets though.
Yeah, I wasn't really bashing the overall fit just nitpicking the little details. My fits are pretty much identical except for trading a te for a nano and dumping the warriors for ecm drones as they are a much better use of your limited unbonused drone bay. As far as the 'massive troll' comment well that was just some juicy bait to get the debate rolling in earnest. Hooks him every time.
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Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2010.07.20 20:51:00 -
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Zeba, don't worry. You're not special. Amarr Supremacist acts like this towards everyone. I would think that AS is a Merin Ryskin alt, but Merin was far more considerate.
Personally I would go with the damage drones, because a fleet of damage drones will add a significant amount of damage that you can count on. ECM by its very nature is really throwing your fate to Lady Luck, especially when ECM drones are involved. Nothing wrong with that though. Some people like to take those chances and can be greatly rewarded - or screwed - by them. Fix Rockets in '08 '09 2010 2011 2012?! |
Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.07.20 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Andrea Griffin Zeba, don't worry. You're not special. Amarr Supremacist acts like this towards everyone. I would think that AS is a Merin Ryskin alt, but Merin was far more considerate.
Oh I know. Its just so amusing when he decides to poast that I can't resist.
Originally by: Andrea Griffin Personally I would go with the damage drones, because a fleet of damage drones will add a significant amount of damage that you can count on. ECM by its very nature is really throwing your fate to Lady Luck, especially when ECM drones are involved. Nothing wrong with that though. Some people like to take those chances and can be greatly rewarded - or screwed - by them.
One might say a swarm of ecm drones with their already better than average chance of getting a jam on pretty much any ship, eccm be damned, is just as nice and can be counted on for repeated jams.
At least on the cane roams we have been doing lately that has been the case. But yeah at the end of the day its down to personal preferrence with an eye towards your gang composition of course. I would say that ships with drone bonuses and large bays should always at least pack a variety of drones but in the canes specific case I will always use ecm as warriors add little to its total dps and with its good tracking you can still pop frigates after you cap them out with your twin neuts if they are orbiting you. Provided of course that they are still alive vs the dps from your other gang mates.
Originally by: Balsak Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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Beverly Sparks
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Posted - 2010.07.21 00:16:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba No nano in any of the shield tanked cane fits and a bay full of lulz warriors instead of 4 ec300 and an ec600 when even 425's shred frigates in a gang situation makes me think this is a massive troll.
Though you do have a point about ECM drones and Logis. Your tone just makes me think you are a massive troll.
In anycase, there are some people who prefer just to blow the logis up, instead of trying to Jam them.
There is more then one way to do things, and a few million factors that can affect your plan, so all your luls just make you look ignorant.
Also if it is a fight you are looking for, and not some sort of hit and run type stuff, then Range > Speed, so no, no nanos. Nanos on Canes are for keeping up with Hacs.
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Stuart Price
Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2010.07.21 01:39:00 -
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Defending the honour of the mighty Caracal:
Solo: AML, dual webs. Hunt frigs. Gangs: HML and painter OR damps - kite the edge of the fight.
As for the 'cane? I roll with:
1 x DC II 3 x Gyro II 2 x TE II
1 x MWD II 1 x Warp Disruptor II 1 x Invul II (more omni-EHP than a second LSE and can be overloaded for extra win) 1 x LSE II
6 x 425mm AC II 2 x Med Neut II
3 x CDFE I
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Yakov Draken
Minmatar Tides Of War
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Posted - 2010.07.21 05:08:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba But now for the comedy!
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist For someone who is too afraid to say who his main character is
You can easily find every one of my active characters if you simply apply a little logic and follow the white rabbit. I have never hid who they are and will never care who knows.
Blah blah blah - so who is your main?
I agree with AS/Intigo about alts acting all knowledgeable in this forum - if you don't post with a main that demonstrates some pvp prowess you are probably just another smartass who ****s up threads.
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