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Able Pat
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Posted - 2010.07.19 15:12:00 -
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Any Nidhoggur pilots out there that prefer the nid over all the other carriers, and why? |
Arbiter Reformed
Minmatar 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.07.19 15:19:00 -
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i prefer it over the thanny due to rr bonus rather than lol damage bonus, also prefer it over the chimera because it armor tanks, the tank is p much identical to the thanny.
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Leto AtradeisII
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Posted - 2010.07.19 17:54:00 -
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my alt fly one just for the pure sexiness factor.
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.07.19 18:12:00 -
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The Archon is flat better than the Nidhoggur in every possible way (except sexeh looks). What I'd like to see happen: - Increase the grid on the Nidhoggur to allow for a standard archon triage fit (triage+2 cap reps+3 cap remote armor rr) - Increase the RR bonus to 7.5%/lvl
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Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2010.07.19 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren The Archon is flat better than the Nidhoggur in every possible way (except sexeh looks). What I'd like to see happen: - Increase the grid on the Nidhoggur to allow for a standard archon triage fit (triage+2 cap reps+3 cap remote armor rr) - Increase the RR bonus to 7.5%/lvl
-Liang
It rr shields better than an archon. For POS duty that's fairly useful.
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2010.07.19 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: Omarvelous It rr shields better than an archon. For POS duty that's fairly useful.
That's not a bonus.
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el Sabor
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Posted - 2010.07.19 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
- Increase the grid on the Nidhoggur to allow for a standard archon triage fit (triage+2 cap reps+3 cap remote armor rr)
I'm curious about the nid. Does anyone have an experience using a shield booster fit? Looks like a shield tanked armour RR triage could work. I think this is where i saw it.
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2010.07.19 19:47:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 19/07/2010 19:47:33
Originally by: el Sabor
I'm curious about the nid. Does anyone have an experience using a shield booster fit? Looks like a shield tanked armour RR triage could work. I think this is where i saw it.
A shield boosted Triage Niddy can work, but its hard to compete with a pair of Imperial Navy EANMs. Also, shields make the Niddy very hard to skill for. And once you train them you become permanently attached to a POS repping fleet. #epicfail
-Liang
Ed: Also, its nice to come out of triage and have some RR available. At least in the circles I fly in, you WILL armor tank. ;-) -- @LiangNuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire |
Sonreir
Gallente Band of Builders Inc. Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.07.19 19:54:00 -
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The RR bonus makes the Niddy one of the best carriers, in my opinion. Sure, it doesn't fit or tank as well as the others but carriers are basically oversized logistics ships; get the the one the one with the best logistics bonus.
I will put the Archon in a close second though. The tank is nice and it's a lot easier to fit than the Nidhoggur or Chimera (not to mention remote armor tanking is way more common).
If you want to talk Triage though, I'll agree that the Archon is superior in that role. Better to have a ship that can tank well and is more focused one doing one thing well than being versatile.
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2010.07.19 20:03:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 19/07/2010 20:03:52
Originally by: Sonreir The RR bonus makes the Niddy one of the best carriers, in my opinion. Sure, it doesn't fit or tank as well as the others but carriers are basically oversized logistics ships; get the the one the one with the best logistics bonus.
I will put the Archon in a close second though. The tank is nice and it's a lot easier to fit than the Nidhoggur or Chimera (not to mention remote armor tanking is way more common).
If you want to talk Triage though, I'll agree that the Archon is superior in that role. Better to have a ship that can tank well and is more focused one doing one thing well than being versatile.
I don't see how you can think that the Niddy is the best carrier? It seems like the situations when you'd use a carrier: - Cap Blob. Archon Wins with more EHP, more cap, better use of remote repair, more sensor strength, and many many other things. - Small Gang [non triage]. If you are not entering Triage its *probably* because you're either wanting to be able to cyno out/dock (use an Archon) or because you value the damage (Thanatos) - Small Gang [Triage]. Archon (or Chimera, if you have a gang of shield tankers) trivially wins with more tank and more repping power (Niddy lacks grid).
-Liang
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Able Pat
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Posted - 2010.07.19 20:55:00 -
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One of the things that irk me is that you can't even fit two cap RRs and a shield transporter for a bit of flexibility(you can on a thanatos) - that and there's just not the same amount of cap as most of the other ships have.
I can see why it'd be really nice if you've got a single carrier and a load of battleships that you need to keep alive in triage mode, but it just feels like a waste and I can't see it being THAT much more efficient than a Thanatos; there will be a small margin here where the Nid excells - on one side of it, BSs getting insta popped (no bonus) and on the other side, a Thanatos/Archon is basically caipable of the same job, just for longer (ref: cap regen). In a cap ship fleet, primary the nid to prevent the extra rep - ****ty tank anyway, they don't get a bonus to prevent THAT.
All other carriers > Nidhoggur. It kinda hurts...
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Able Pat
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Posted - 2010.07.19 21:01:00 -
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Edited by: Able Pat on 19/07/2010 21:06:12 Ya know what they need to do? Give Nidhoggur (only) pilots a passive 25% /active 30% (or something) bonus to their resists when they're in triage mode.
What'd ya think?
Though, even that falls short as they can't be RRed at the same time... Maybe another triage bonus?
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2010.07.19 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Able Pat Edited by: Able Pat on 19/07/2010 21:06:12 Ya know what they need to do? Give Nidhoggur (only) pilots a passive 25% /active 30% (or something) bonus to their resists when they're in triage mode.
What'd ya think?
Though, even that falls short as they can't be RRed at the same time... Maybe another triage bonus?
I think that the biggest bonus it could have is the ability to fit a tank and some remote reps. A stronger repping bonus would be nice, and some extra cap certainly wouldn't be missed.
-Liang -- @LiangNuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire |
adriaans
Amarr Ankaa. Nair Al-Zaurak
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Posted - 2010.07.19 21:35:00 -
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Edited by: adriaans on 19/07/2010 21:35:46 Pentium gangs, the only place it belongs
edit: although more grid would rock
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2010.07.19 22:38:00 -
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A fleet with a substantial amount of properly fitted niddy's would outperform another fleet with random carriers in their place. It does however rely rather strongly on their fittings and pilot aptitude. á
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2010.07.19 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz A fleet with a substantial amount of properly fitted niddy's would outperform another fleet with random carriers in their place. It does however rely rather strongly on their fittings and pilot aptitude.
I see this as only true if you replace Thanatos and Chimeras - and the fleet would perform even better if you'd replaced the random assortment with well fitted Archons.
-Liang -- @LiangNuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire |
Lubomir Penev
interimo
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Posted - 2010.07.19 22:52:00 -
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Originally by: Able Pat Any Nidhoggur pilots out there that prefer the nid over all the other carriers, and why?
For supporting a small gangs IMHO the best carrier, being able to rep both shield and armor is nice (shield rep in invaluable to keep armor tanker alive till armor rep kicks in). Only two carriers can do that and frankly it's much better than a Thanatos in most situations (Gallente carrier still being worth training for the Nyx still).
Considering training Archon for carrier blobs otoh.
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Rexy
DarkStar 1 Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.19 23:36:00 -
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Against SC/titans all carriers go pop just as fast so the resists bonuses are kind of useless. Only carrier i would perhaps consider is a thanny, but it tanks like a wet paper towel and all it would enable me to do is run sanctums faster or get a nyx.
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Ava Starfire
Minmatar Nordanverdr Modr
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Posted - 2010.07.19 23:43:00 -
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So, what everyone is saying is that the Nid is NOT the carrier I wanna train for. Awesome.
Once more, something convinces me to just stick with minny's subcaps as long as possible. Space is fun! |
Rexy
DarkStar 1 Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.20 00:00:00 -
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Originally by: Ava Starfire So, what everyone is saying is that the Nid is NOT the carrier I wanna train for. Awesome.
Once more, something convinces me to just stick with minny's subcaps as long as possible.
the SC buff/titan change relegates the carrier to a logistics role anyway, seems to be just fine for that task. ------------------- <unusual big structure 4tw> |
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Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2010.07.20 03:49:00 -
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Maybe I'm one of the few people that likes to fly in shield heavy gangs (BS included) - dual rep capable carriers (Thanny/Nid) are nice in their flexibility options.
Chimera and Archon will be better in their less flexible more focused roles.
Either way - just get the carrier for the class of BS you like ot fly the most. Your pilot will be flying those ships way more often anyways.
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Torpir Lee
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2010.07.20 04:09:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 19/07/2010 19:00:44
Originally by: Omarvelous It rr shields better than an archon. For POS duty that's fairly useful.
That's not a bonus.
-Liang
Ed: I'll triage a Niddy on a POS if the owner gives me a free Niddy+fit. I may not care about killboard stats but I'm not make my Niddy titan fodder and pay for it myself.
Just because it isn't fun doesn't mean it's not a bonus. It's really easy to multi-task while triage repping if it bores you that much.
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Headerman
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Posted - 2010.07.20 08:54:00 -
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Just get 3 alts, and train them all to use a different carrier :P
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Wacktopia
Dark Side Of The Womb Focused Intentions
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Posted - 2010.07.20 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: Leto AtradeisII my alt fly one just for the pure sexiness factor.
Dude, it looks like a shed.
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2010.07.20 19:57:00 -
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Edited by: Sokratesz on 20/07/2010 19:57:35
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Sokratesz A fleet with a substantial amount of properly fitted niddy's would outperform another fleet with random carriers in their place. It does however rely rather strongly on their fittings and pilot aptitude.
I see this as only true if you replace Thanatos and Chimeras - and the fleet would perform even better if you'd replaced the random assortment with well fitted Archons.
-Liang
All nidhoggurs would beat all archons, considering they will be supporting supercaps, and BS and the like, where projection of RR is more important than self resists. á
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2010.07.20 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz All nidhoggurs would beat all archons, considering they will be supporting supercaps, and BS and the like, where projection of RR is more important than self resists.
Can you kindly post a Niddy fit that will be better than a given Archon fit? I'm just not seeing it.
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handoskin
Racketeers
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Posted - 2010.07.21 02:05:00 -
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I actually like the Niddy for small gang support. The r-shield reppers, while not really necessary, are an added bonus for that one ship that just needs a couple extra seconds for your r-armor reppers to cycle through since the shield ones give shield upon activation. It really can be a life saver when you are having to keep a small fleet alive against enemies who are good and swapping targets to keep the reps jumping. They are actually fairly decent triage with dual r-shields and dual r-armors.
Yes the Archon is a better triage carrier because it gets the resist bonuses and can fit dual local armor reps without gimping its cap stability. But the Niddy wins hands down for coolness and style.
As the old adage goes, I would rather push a ford then drive a chevy. ;)
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Leto AtradeisII
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Posted - 2010.07.21 02:16:00 -
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Originally by: Wacktopia
Originally by: Leto AtradeisII my alt fly one just for the pure sexiness factor.
Dude, it looks like a shed.
I like the shed. It looks like scrap metal that was re-purposed into a fighter carrier. the Archon looks like a skateboard with oversized engines and its looks like the middle slice of a mango with the pit still inside, the thanatos looks like a mashed green tomato, the chimera - i dont even see a fighter bay on there.
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Socio Stan
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Posted - 2010.07.21 05:31:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren Can you kindly post a Niddy fit that will be better than a given Archon fit? I'm just not seeing it.
The Niddy outperforms the Archon in two scenarios:
1) The Nid reps more HP with a tankless (DCII only, if that) triage fit. Tankless is the only way it can fit and run the 4 reps it needs to out-rep an Archon. In a big ole supercap cluster****, I'm pretty sure a carrier's tank doesn't matter, so Nid>Archon for this very niche role.
2) The Nid is better in all things involving shield reps.
For everything else, the Archon reigns supreme. That's all there is to it. |
Muad' Dib
Gallente Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.21 06:34:00 -
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Nidhoggur is best looking, **** loldamage and **** loltank, i like my internet spaceship rustbucket. --- I smack just for myself. Allow faction cap boosters to be traded via normal market ! |
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