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Sirref Naes
Gallente Spacial 8 Xchange
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Posted - 2010.09.13 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: Eternum Praetorian Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 13/09/2010 16:37:38
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace Luckily there are a lot of things more important ingame than isk. If someone only cares about the figure in their wallet Stain is not the place for them...
Once again living in Stain is not hard
Living in the a** end of space where no one else bothers to go does not make you a pilot of exceptional caliber.
I can't tell if you're a**-chewing SPKE or Eternal since they're both on the same "a**-end" pipe that you're talking about.
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor Elite
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Posted - 2010.09.13 17:00:00 -
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Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 13/09/2010 17:02:19 Aaron's people are making no claim of awesomeness for their endeavors, in fact, as far as I have read, Aaron has repeated time and time again that "It is easier then you think"
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BjornarGoesToSpace
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Posted - 2010.09.13 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Eternum Praetorian Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 13/09/2010 16:37:38
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace Luckily there are a lot of things more important ingame than isk. If someone only cares about the figure in their wallet Stain is not the place for them...
Once again living in Stain is not hard
Living in the a** end of space where no one else bothers to go does not make you a pilot of exceptional caliber.
You missed the point of my post, and your attitude is pretty crappy.. You can save the rudeness and sarcasm for someone who actually cares what you post.
Nobody should live in Stain purely to make isk unless they macrorat, or deal with POS buisness which could be done lots of other places. If ISK is their only priority then they should live in Jita and do trading. In the beginning the above activities will ofc net more isk, but in the end trading will get you richer.
Stain is no harder or easier than other NPC 0.0. It all depends which constallation/system you settle down in and how ****ed you get your neighbors... Like any other region Stain has crowded systems and empty systems. When you look at game mechanics and not the amount of players Stain is harder to live in than alliance 0.0 (for the attackers) since your enemies can dock as much as your allies.
In alliance 0.0 you will get the home defence fleets but they will get bored or you can just move on to another system. In Stain we get roaming fleets and people who camp us. We can also wait it out or go somewhere else. Or fight them obviously, but that is irrelevant as it wont do much good except provide fun.
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor Elite
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Posted - 2010.09.13 18:07:00 -
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Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 13/09/2010 18:11:11
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace Stain is no harder or easier than other NPC 0.0.
Nope it is much easier, because it is so remote and that is why you are your corp live there.
Also, welcome to the Troll the Trolls minigame
Edit:
I went back and read your rant again... I don't recall mentioning ISK.
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BjornarGoesToSpace
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Posted - 2010.09.13 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: Eternum Praetorian Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 13/09/2010 18:20:10
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace Stain is no harder or easier than other NPC 0.0.
Nope it is much easier, because it is so remote and that is why you and your corp live there.
Also, welcome to the Troll the Trolls minigame
Edit:
I went back and read your rant again... I don't recall mentioning ISK.
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about, so leave it.
If you are going to respond to and quote my posts i ask you to actually have an idea what we are discussing and save some space in that mind of yours for previous posts. 1. You guys were discussing isk efficiency in PvP (Not killboard isk efficiency, but "time spent pvp'ing is time lost pve'ing" isk efficiency. As in when you pvp you loose isk you could have made). 2. I said that its not all about isk, and if its all about isk then Stain is not the place for you. (Jita is :O ) 3. You misunderstand and think im saying that Stain is a hard place to live and therefore this discussion. You post a arrogant and crappy post stating Stain is easy with no arguments why.
"Nope it is much easier, because it is so remote" Some would say the logistics make it hard, and for medium sized Pvp gangs its very easy to break through AAA's gatecamps from highsec "and that is why you and your corp live there." Wrong as usual
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor Elite
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Posted - 2010.09.13 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace Wrong as usual <----[Oh yea he's mad ]
Now you see I didn't read any of that, I only skipped to the end
I shall now insert a classic "UMAD?" with some ROLF Waffles on top for good measure. This thread is beginning to stink up the forums, and as far as I can tell both Aaron and Aaron's people have only asked for more visitors. They have all been respectful despite people like you sabotaging their thread, and they have continued to conduct themselves well in spite of it.
IMO that says allot about them...it also says allot about the people who keep trying to derail it. It is what now? 17 Pages in? Give it a rest already. I am only here because people like you are here, and counter Trolling amuses me greatly. So by all means continue young man, I am enjoying myself.
And In case You Missed It Before
Stain is an EXTREMELY easy place to live in. Far easier then low sec or other NPC regions. It is almost completely empty, it has decent plexes, and now that there are wormholes it is literally a cakewalk to exist there. The only people who don't want you to know about this are the fail Corporations and Alliances that are NAP'd down there because they don't want any competition.
This bud's for you BJ \0/
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Erick Odin
Amarr Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.09.13 20:26:00 -
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I can't speak for my whole corporation, but I can say personally that I, Erick Odin, loyal follower of the the Great Leader Gabriel Angelus, am elite for living in Stain.
And if you don't like it kiss my big fat Amarrian Helmet.
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BjornarGoesToSpace
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Posted - 2010.09.13 20:41:00 -
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Edited by: BjornarGoesToSpace on 13/09/2010 20:42:06 I try to be serious and not troll. You troll and thats fine. Was getting too serious anyways :)
Edit: You can speak for me too <3
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.13 22:57:00 -
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Dalv,
The thrill of victory, the agony of defeat.
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BjornarGoesToSpace
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Posted - 2010.09.13 23:26:00 -
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Im just curious, isnt it ages since Dalv has posted or does he have an forumposting alt?
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omgfreemoniez
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Posted - 2010.09.13 23:39:00 -
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http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=11293470 I guess
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor Elite
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Posted - 2010.09.14 01:10:00 -
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Counter Troll Extraordinare
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Sirref Naes
Gallente Spacial 8 Xchange
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Posted - 2010.09.14 03:29:00 -
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Originally by: Eternum Praetorian Counter Troll Extraordinare
I wouldn't say "Extraordinare"... maybe novice
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.09.14 07:10:00 -
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Well I think you are trolling, you are creating your own argument points, classic troll behaviour...
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace Edited by: BjornarGoesToSpace on 13/09/2010 20:42:06 I try to be serious and not troll. You troll and thats fine. Was getting too serious anyways :)
Edit: You can speak for me too <3
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Dalv Fliteo
Minmatar Not Another One Man Corporation
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Posted - 2010.09.14 10:02:00 -
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oh no... i lost a ship... i think i will go back to highsec now.
or maybe i will go mad and throw all my ships at the enemy like the ******ed person that i am ?
Or will i desperately go to the forums trying to get some imaginary huge support, threatening my enemies that this is theyr last chance for redemption ?
NO!
i shall remind you all that:
Aaron's mother is fat.
[ i am only talking about the in-game mother of Aaron, no reference to his RL persona is being made and that sentence is there for RP purposes ]
Now report me :)
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BjornarGoesToSpace
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Posted - 2010.09.14 10:34:00 -
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Originally by: Dracvlad Well I think you are trolling, you are creating your own argument points, classic troll behaviour...
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace Edited by: BjornarGoesToSpace on 13/09/2010 20:42:06 I try to be serious and not troll. You troll and thats fine. Was getting too serious anyways :)
Edit: You can speak for me too <3
You have to excuse me if i misunderstood, becayse english is my second language. Of course i make up my own arguments, we dont get cheatsheets handed to us.
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.09.14 12:04:00 -
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BjornarGoesToSpace,
First of all I would not belittle your English and I do not like it when people do it, but you should not hide behind it. A Troll is someone who twists what others have said to create a different argument to make a point which changes the whole thread, so that they hijack it and people respond to the Troll rather than the original thread. The discussion on ISK was in the value of Stain as compared to level 4's, there was no relationship to ISK and PvP and how you managed to decide to make a point on that and how it does not relate to making a living/surviving in Stain is classic troll behaviour. Does that explain it?
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace
Originally by: Dracvlad Well I think you are trolling, you are creating your own argument points, classic troll behaviour...
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace Edited by: BjornarGoesToSpace on 13/09/2010 20:42:06 I try to be serious and not troll. You troll and thats fine. Was getting too serious anyways :)
Edit: You can speak for me too <3
You have to excuse me if i misunderstood, becayse english is my second language. Of course i make up my own arguments, we dont get cheatsheets handed to us.
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BjornarGoesToSpace
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Posted - 2010.09.14 16:16:00 -
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Edited by: BjornarGoesToSpace on 14/09/2010 16:22:35 What i said about my english was just to let you know that i might have misunderstood your post when i replied. As a way to make it easier for you if i misunderstood. I am not hiding behind it in any way. The way i understood your post is that you are saying that i am a troll because i make up my own arguments. Of course i make up my own arguments, its not like Gabriel Angelus gives everyone a list of forumposts and we throw them out there when we feel its our turn. But he damn sure needs to get started on that because im running out of crap to post. Cheers o/
Edit:
My only point was that some sentences have hidden meanings or they can mean severall things. That creates misunderstandings between people which is unesecearyscaercry. Like in Norway its rude to not eat all your food, while in the middle-east you should leave some food left on the plate or else they will keep stuffing your face :)
Like "argument points" is to me just like saying arguments. And i cant understand why anyone would not come up with their own arguments, so i came to the conclusion that i misunderstood due to the language barrier. Nothing more complex than that :)))
I also dont think you are the person to make fun of someones english-skills, and if you did i would have no problem with that. If someone gets hurt on the internet they sure as hell wont last long
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.14 17:41:00 -
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Edited by: Aaron on 14/09/2010 17:41:40
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace
Also a friendly reminder we need to do 10 vs 10 battlecruiser or whatever fight soon. Send a mail to gabriel angelus and challenge him so we can get our big boy pants on and do some fighting! Because no matter who loses its going to be damn fun!
Tbh, I'm going to retract that offer of a 10 vs 10, If I take an unbiased view of the whole affair I'd say that u guys have drained all of the fun from this.
Yes I have made mistakes and learned from them, but u guys have gone way too far. If your Idea of fun is to hassle someone forever after you've fallen out with them I want nothing to do with it as this has gone on for over a year now.
It appears I have somewhat adapted to the way Dalv attacks me and I'm now in a position to properly defend myself against him. He is no longer a massive threat to me and ive observed lots of his Fc'ing.
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Weight What
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.14 19:54:00 -
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Originally by: Aaron Edited by: Aaron on 14/09/2010 17:41:40
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace
Also a friendly reminder we need to do 10 vs 10 battlecruiser or whatever fight soon. Send a mail to gabriel angelus and challenge him so we can get our big boy pants on and do some fighting! Because no matter who loses its going to be damn fun!
Tbh, I'm going to retract that offer of a 10 vs 10, If I take an unbiased view of the whole affair I'd say that u guys have drained all of the fun from this.
Yes I have made mistakes and learned from them, but u guys have gone way too far. If your Idea of fun is to hassle someone forever after you've fallen out with them I want nothing to do with it as this has gone on for over a year now.
It appears I have somewhat adapted to the way Dalv attacks me and I'm now in a position to properly defend myself against him. He is no longer a massive threat to me and ive observed lots of his Fc'ing.
It's been a while but I thought I should dig the old Oracle out...
Originally by: Magic Dragonrider Tao Ball A young child at the seaside, the cruel wind has blown his candyfloss onto a crab. The boy weeps; a mandolin plays. Nothing persists; sorrow endures.
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BjornarGoesToSpace
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Posted - 2010.09.14 21:03:00 -
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A fight is just what we need and you are coming up with a poor excuse. Are you going to keep your word or not ? dont blame us if you dont intend to..
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Mme Pinkerton
United Engineering Services
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Posted - 2010.09.14 21:18:00 -
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Edited by: Mme Pinkerton on 14/09/2010 21:23:56
Originally by: Magic Dragonrider Tao Ball A young child at the seaside, the cruel wind has blown his candyfloss onto a crab. The boy weeps; a mandolin plays. Nothing persists; sorrow endures.
/end of this silly epeen waving
BjornarGoesToSpace was trying to be reasonable, had some misunderstandings with Dracvlad (mainly due to the difference between "making an argument" and "making up an argument") and somehow the whole flaming/trolling got out of control once again.
I would really appreciate if this thread could mature towards trying to provide potential newcomers a multi-faceted and realistic description of the life in UF. I believe that the idea of providing newcomers a lose NRDS/NTDS-based support group for their life in NPC 0.0 can work well. I don't think we will get there by following the approach taken in the last few pages of this thread.
IMO communicating that any sort of pvp is always about flaming, trolling and endless personal conflicts between the opposing parties is not only unrealistic but also detrimental to encouraging people to actually give this venture a try.
Some guys around UF- practice NBSI and/or have everyone aligned with the Hub Zero/Garden project on their red-list. Some of these were former allies of Aaron and would maybe like to see this venture fail. That's all perfectly normal in EVE (remember it's a pvp game after all) and nothing to make a fuzz about.
You go out and fight for your convictions and for your "right" to live undisturbed in UF, they go out and fight because of whatever happens to motivate them and at the end of the day it's all supposed to be part of an enjoyable game. (inb4 both parties assuring that they enjoy the mutual trolling)
In my opinion the situation in UF- currently suffers a lot from people (on the EA side of things) taking the small skirmishes that do happen way too seriously and personal - it's illusory to believe you can live in NPC 0.0 without being surrounded by a lot of reds; and whether it's Local Spike, AoV, Dalv or Stain Empire you end up fighting (or hiding/running from - both are legitimate options depending on the nature of the situation at hand) doesn't really matter because even if it were possible to drive one of them away another one would show up soon enough to fill that gap.
To repeat myself: that state of affairs is perfectly normal and nothing substantial about that will ever change (unless you choose to live in an even more remote corner of 0.0 without any resources at all) - new arrivals will have to learn to deal with it and it is part of our responsibility to help them into a mindset that makes dealing with reds/pvp part of the challenge & fun that is EVE and not some spiteful struggle.
(dunno why Weight What had to put DragonRiderTao in a stupid ball though^^)
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Plocsk
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Posted - 2010.09.14 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: Mme Pinkerton enjoyable game
LOL You should enjoy the pain you inflict on people, not the game itself. The game is just a tool to attain the REAL enjoyment.
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Mme Pinkerton
United Engineering Services
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Posted - 2010.09.14 21:43:00 -
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Edited by: Mme Pinkerton on 14/09/2010 21:44:21
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace Im just curious, isnt it ages since Dalv has posted or does he have an forumposting alt?
Dalv was not online/on holidays? for some time, he only returned on Sunday.
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace Also a friendly reminder we need to do 10 vs 10 battlecruiser or whatever fight soon. Send a mail to gabriel angelus and challenge him so we can get our big boy pants on and do some fighting! Because no matter who loses its going to be damn fun!
I agree that it would be damn fun to actually get a gf once in a while.
The first problem with the 10vs10 proposal is that Aaron simply doesn't have 10 reasonably well-skilled bc pilots under his command. And (I guess) because he is on the one hand too proud to admit this fact and does on the other hand try to avoid giving any semblance of weakness so not to deter potential newcomers you insisting on that duel makes him having to come up with excuses and/or lose face. That's not so fun anymore
The other problem is that in the current atmosphere the side winning this kind of engagement would try to make a big deal of the win no matter what has been said before the fighting takes place; that makes everybody go crazy about the potential fallout from this sort of fight and takes a lot of the fun out of it as well.
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Liquldsteel
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Posted - 2010.09.14 22:32:00 -
[535]
$hit it hurt my brain just trying to pronounce this "unesecearyscaercry""
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BjornarGoesToSpace
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Posted - 2010.09.14 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: Mme Pinkerton
I agree that it would be damn fun to actually get a gf once in a while.
Yeah we should definitly get a arranged x vs x fight in cheap ships. I think it would be no problem to get that arranged without one side breaking the rules or getting pist afterwards, i think both sides are mature enough and cool about it.
Originally by: Mme Pinkerton
The first problem with the 10vs10 proposal is that Aaron simply doesn't have 10 reasonably well-skilled bc pilots under his command. And (I guess) because he is on the one hand too proud to admit this fact and does on the other hand try to avoid giving any semblance of weakness so not to deter potential newcomers you insisting on that duel makes him having to come up with excuses and/or lose face. That's not so fun anymore
The number or who wins should not matter and i know you agree with this. If someone were to brag on the forums about it they would be the loser in my eyes. But it will probably happen at some point, we are all weak to temptations :p
Local-Spike will bring the exotic dancers if the carebears with teeth bring the quafe :)
Originally by: Mme Pinkerton
The other problem is that in the current atmosphere the side winning this kind of engagement would try to make a big deal of the win no matter what has been said before the fighting takes place; that makes everybody go crazy about the potential fallout from this sort of fight and takes a lot of the fun out of it as well.
We will just have to make an agreement that the first side to brag is a bunch of f*#ñ ***gots
Lets put ships were our mouth is and die in a fire! Dear ladies and gents of high security space, come to Stain and have some fun :) YAY
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BjornarGoesToSpace
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Posted - 2010.09.14 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Liquldsteel $hit it hurt my brain just trying to pronounce this "unesecearyscaercry""
I am flabbergasted by your comments :) <- its a word, englishmen are crazy!
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Liquldsteel
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Posted - 2010.09.14 22:48:00 -
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Your search - unesecearyscaercry - did not match any documents.
Suggestions:
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Sirref Naes
Gallente Spacial 8 Xchange
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Posted - 2010.09.15 02:08:00 -
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Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InBXu-iY7cw Like this but without cowboyhats :S
I'm so confused... which one is gab and which one is aaron? And my final quesiton, can I be the biker?
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.09.15 04:59:00 -
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Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace Wrong as usual <----[Oh yea he's mad ]
Now you see I didn't read any of that, I only skipped to the end
I shall now insert a classic "UMAD?" with some ROLF Waffles on top for good measure. This thread is beginning to stink up the forums, and as far as I can tell both Aaron and Aaron's people have only asked for more visitors. They have all been respectful despite people like you sabotaging their thread, and they have continued to conduct themselves well in spite of it.
IMO that says allot about them...it also says allot about the people who keep trying to derail it. It is what now? 17 Pages in? Give it a rest already. I am only here because people like you are here, and counter Trolling amuses me greatly. So by all means continue young man, I am enjoying myself.
And In case You Missed It Before
Stain is an EXTREMELY easy place to live in. Far easier then low sec or other NPC regions. It is almost completely empty, it has decent plexes, and now that there are wormholes it is literally a cakewalk to exist there. The only people who don't want you to know about this are the fail Corporations and Alliances that are NAP'd down there because they don't want any competition.
This bud's for you BJ \0/
Oh great. Eternum posted something I agree with. I think perhaps my health is failing.
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