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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.16 23:07:00 -
[571]
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace Edited by: BjornarGoesToSpace on 16/09/2010 22:22:56 Well you don't have to be a ***** about it. Edit: You forfeiting the challenge means we win right Harr harr harr
Well done mate, /me gives Bjorn a trophy
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Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari Rancer Defence League Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.16 23:22:00 -
[572]
pineapple upside down cakes all around \o/
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EVE Garden |
Gabriel Angelus
Amarr Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.09.17 00:16:00 -
[573]
Mmmmm, pineapple upside down cake. Put me down for one. ------------------------------------------------ Whatever is worth living for, is worth dying for.
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Roosterton
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Posted - 2010.09.17 00:42:00 -
[574]
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
Originally by: Jita Alt666 After watching this thread grow, Im surprised it is yet to be shipped off to caod.
That would be amusing since no one in it can post there
At times, that's exactly what the invitation to 0.0 threads need
This one isn't doing too badly, though.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.09.17 01:17:00 -
[575]
I suspect there is more PVP in this thread than there is in The Garden.
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Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari Rancer Defence League Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.17 01:19:00 -
[576]
i would quite like a group hug tbh
i think one where we cheer pointlessly and slap each other on the back twice would be quite a good comprimise lol
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.17 01:24:00 -
[577]
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
i would quite like a group hug tbh
I would like Gabriel to move on tbh
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Sirref Naes
Gallente Spacial 8 Xchange
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Posted - 2010.09.17 02:09:00 -
[578]
I wish aaron could stay true to his word.
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Roosterton
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Posted - 2010.09.17 03:15:00 -
[579]
Originally by: Sirref Naes I wish aaron could stay true to his word.
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Tornado Bait
Minmatar Dissident Resident
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Posted - 2010.09.17 04:08:00 -
[580]
Local-spike did and will do far more to make a home for new/old players in 0.0 then Aaron and friends ever will.
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.09.17 06:35:00 -
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I guess you're use of a Dreadnaught to kill Aaron's carrier was not an op then, but you were on an op then were you not. Various members of your corp have been operating with Dalv and AOV, if you are going to split hairs about the difference between "on operation" or "doing an operation" I do not care, I do care that you are trying to paint your corp as not being involved in the campaign against Aaron and those that came down which is not the case.
If the strategy was to stop EA members from ratting was he on an op, or was that a campaign, or does your definition works only with more than one pilot. I am just about to go off on an op on my own for the corp, but I guess that is not an op.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.17 08:40:00 -
[582]
Edited by: Aaron on 17/09/2010 08:42:04
Originally by: Tornado Bait Local-spike did and will do far more to make a home for new/old players in 0.0 then Aaron and friends ever will.
Good post Tornado I was actually waiting for one of you to say that and I have a response already prepared.
Of course your going to be able to do this better than me if you're activley doing operations that involve camping anyone remotley allied with me 23/7 for the past year and a half.
Of course you will do this better than me If you've made it your business to sabotage my threads with lies and propaganda.
Alas, this is part of character assasination huh.
Are we ready to move on yet Gab?, I'm seriously not interested.
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BjornarGoesToSpace
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Posted - 2010.09.17 09:53:00 -
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"Well done mate, /me gives Bjorn a trophy" Do i get that trophy soon or are you going to break that promise too :) RAWR
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.17 10:00:00 -
[584]
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace Edited by: BjornarGoesToSpace on 17/09/2010 09:57:29 "Well done mate, /me gives Bjorn a trophy" Do i get that trophy soon or are you going to break that promise too :) RAWR
Edit: Gabriel's point was that we have not done a corporation/group operation in UF for weeks, at least not that i have been online for. Afaik not since the carrier incident.
Cool, let me know when you're ready to move on buddy.
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Gabriel Angelus
Amarr Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.09.17 11:39:00 -
[585]
Move on? Are you serious? Local-Spike LIVES in this area. We are NOT moving on.
You have two choices to resolve your miserable diplomatic situation. You either HTFU and force a military resolution or STFU and accept E-A's strategic place in the military hierarchy of Stain (which at BEST is negligible).
Although it doesn't seem you're looking for a realistic, amicable resolution. You've decided to pursue the idea of creating this thread, painting a picture to entice high sec pilots to come down to Stain. To hopefully garner enough support to upset the already established status quo, but that hasn't worked.
Who knows though, with the recent changes with the major alliances relocating to Stain, the status quo will undoubtedly be changed. Do you think E-A will be a contender to jockey for a better strategic position? I don't believe so but hey, I could be wrong. I hope to see you & your crew on the battlefield fighting for yours. So HTFU or STFU.
Good luck & good hunting.
------------------------------------------------ Whatever is worth living for, is worth dying for.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.17 11:48:00 -
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Due to events over the past year we've had to regroup and change our strategy which will hopefully result in more people living in npc 0.0.
I myself have learned alot from experiences and im prepared to make a change for the better which will help me to better advise on this long running mission.
At this stage I'd like to confirm that I am no longer in uf 23/7 and have been busy building multiple locations around Stain that are very quite. Currently we are busy building our haulage network and I am very impressed with the progress and it seems we can literally deploy anywhere in stain in an instant.
I've had a look at my attitude and decided that I'm simply not going to bother trying to reason with any hostiles or respond to nonsense on forums or local chat. It would be great if the community could come and judge me for themselves. Please try to accept that I was silly in some of my past actions and I had walked right into a cleverly set-up plan that has resulted in my good reputation being damaged. I feel I've let down alot of hi-sec guys that would like to be involved in this venture and for this I am sorry.
I'm ready to do this.
Come into the "e-a public" channel and have a chat with us, you wont be dissapointed.
N.B. Gab, when I say "move on" I dont mean clear out of the area, I mean stop going out of your way to respond here and dont talk to us in local as we are not interested in having any kind of relationship with you whatsoever.
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Buck Marui
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.09.17 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Aaron Edited by: Aaron on 17/09/2010 11:59:51 Due to events over the past year we've had to regroup and change our strategy which will hopefully result in more people living in npc 0.0.
I myself have learned alot from experiences and im prepared to make a change for the better which will help me to better advise on this long running mission.
At this stage I'd like to confirm that I am no longer in uf 23/7 and have been busy building multiple locations around Stain that are very quiet. Currently we are busy building our haulage network and I am very impressed with the progress and it seems we can literally deploy anywhere in stain in an instant.
I've had a look at my attitude and decided that I'm simply not going to bother trying to reason with any hostiles or respond to nonsense on forums or local chat. It would be great if the community could come and judge me for themselves. Please try to accept that I was silly in some of my past actions and I had walked right into a cleverly set-up plan that has resulted in my good reputation being damaged. I feel I've let down alot of hi-sec guys that would like to be involved in this venture and for this I am sorry.
I'm ready to do this.
Come into the "e-a public" channel and have a chat with us, you wont be dissapointed.
N.B. Gab, when I say "move on" I dont mean clear out of the area, I mean stop going out of your way to respond here and dont talk to us in local as we are not interested in having any kind of relationship with you whatsoever.
was good, all the way up to the N.B. wherein you may as well of said: "Please respond Local-spike pretty please."
I find it curious you have kept this going for so long Aaron, you have repeatedly created drama and tension where none exist, and basically proven that even in the event that you get 100 pilots following your every whim, it would take only 1 to unravel it all.
You seem to have no leadership experience, and constantly make elementary mistakes in that regard. You instill no confidence by your posts, you constantly change your mind and contradict yourself, making empty threats and pandering to the opposition just to keep this thread above water. I can only speak for myself but if you cannot keep this thread in order, I cannot see how you can keep any control over pilots in 0.0.
I would say that this idea is now irrevocably tainted, and cannot succeed, but I hope you can prove me wrong.
Don't misunderstand me, I want to see this idea of yours work as much as the next person, I would like nothing more than to hail you as the unique visionary you claim to be, but so far it has been like watching a train crash in slow motion. |
Surianor
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Posted - 2010.09.17 12:21:00 -
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/clap
this is what u should have done long time ago aaron , in the intrest of ur venture. gl, we sure will visit u once ina while o/
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.17 13:11:00 -
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Edited by: Aaron on 17/09/2010 13:11:45
Originally by: Buck Marui
I cannot see how you can keep any control over pilots in 0.0.
Hey buddy o/
My goal was never to control people, but for them to control themselves. I think its alot to do with respect and being mature about the goals of this venture.
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Buck Marui
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.09.17 13:40:00 -
[590]
Originally by: Aaron Edited by: Aaron on 17/09/2010 13:11:45
Originally by: Buck Marui
I cannot see how you can keep any control over pilots in 0.0.
Hey buddy o/
My goal was never to control people, but for them to control themselves. I think its alot to do with respect and being mature about the goals of this venture.
Your goal should be to control people without there knowledge, making them feel like they are in control, organization comes from control, without organization people will start believing they can do better, or more fun can be had working against you, hence Local-spike was born.
"Without control what is a leader of men? He is infact just a man, and not a leader at all."
You have to understand that the end-game, or the goal of this venture as you put it, is truly visible only to yourself, and the people with you will only follow you until you fail or something better comes along.
If your intention truly is to not control these people and thus not lead them, then you have already failed. It is tantamount to a weight on a line of string, with a constant force working against the string, it is innevitable that it will break, maybe not today or even next week, but it will break and the weight will fall. |
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Erick Odin
Amarr Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.09.17 13:46:00 -
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This is my problem with Aaron and it's why I post here. Simply put, he is a liar. He hides behind phrases like "observe certain protocols" and he even has a standings list at his website that he expects everybody to observe. Basically he want to be the police. And I don't think I'm alone here guys, this is 0.0:
**** Tha Police
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.17 13:52:00 -
[592]
Originally by: Buck Marui
Originally by: Aaron Edited by: Aaron on 17/09/2010 13:11:45
Originally by: Buck Marui
I cannot see how you can keep any control over pilots in 0.0.
Hey buddy o/
My goal was never to control people, but for them to control themselves. I think its alot to do with respect and being mature about the goals of this venture.
Your goal should be to control people without there knowledge, making them feel like they are in control, organization comes from control, without organization people will start believing they can do better, or more fun can be had working against you, hence Local-spike was born.
"Without control what is a leader of men? He is infact just a man, and not a leader at all."
You have to understand that the end-game, or the goal of this venture as you put it, is truly visible only to yourself, and the people with you will only follow you until you fail or something better comes along.
If your intention truly is to not control these people and thus not lead them, then you have already failed. It is tantamount to a weight on a line of string, with a constant force working against the string, it is innevitable that it will break, maybe not today or even next week, but it will break and the weight will fall.
You make very interesting points.
I'd like to see it more as a partnership and I feel you are somewhat over complicating it.
I have it in my mind as this;
- Groups of people come together as a community regardless of corp/alliance - We set up a counsel - We set eachother blue and share intel - we build up the market and grow - We use good fleet commanders to defend and members of the community can join in if they want. - We have an open blue policy - communicate out of game via a forum.
I feel this is the most straight forward way to populate npc 0.0.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.17 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Erick Odin This is my problem with Aaron and it's why I post here. Simply put, he is a liar. He hides behind phrases like "observe certain protocols" and he even has a standings list at his website that he expects everybody to observe. Basically he want to be the police. And I don't think I'm alone here guys, this is 0.0:
**** Tha Police
I'm responding only to the community at this time.
I look at the standings list as a guide. The people I have set red operate an nbsi policy which means any hisec guy that comes into their targets will be shot at and most likley destroyed.
If you choose to follow my redlist then you will be better prepared to live out here and avoid ship loss.
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Buck Marui
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.09.17 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Aaron
You make very interesting points.
I'd like to see it more as a partnership and I feel you are somewhat over complicating it.
I have it in my mind as this;
- Groups of people come together as a community regardless of corp/alliance - We set up a counsel - We set eachother blue and share intel - we build up the market and grow - We use good fleet commanders to defend and members of the community can join in if they want. - We have an open blue policy - communicate out of game via a forum.
I feel this is the most straight forward way to populate npc 0.0.
Yet you have no Council, you have no Logistics and you have no "good fleet commanders"
Why do you not have these things? Because they require control and organization, where you see me as overcomplicating things, I see you as over simplifying things, unfortunately as its stands we only see your way not working.
Communities require a leader and careful, constant organization to be a community.
You expect these things to come to you, because you put up a message on the forums, but you offer no incentive for loyalty or rewards.
I can cite you hundreds of examples of how my ways work in the everday things we all see, can you do the same? Are you truly expecting to defy all odds by self righteousness alone?
You are not some kind of Messiah or Prophet, people will not follow you blindly because they believe in what you are doing, people will follow you only if you lead them, and you cannot lead by inaction and guidance, only by swift action and control.
Furthermore, there is no straight forward way to populate 0.0 space, that you feel there is, is rather concerning. |
Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.09.17 15:01:00 -
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OK lets put it this way, I am helping Aaron and there are others to, and we are working as a team, so while your knowledge of Aaron and his past attempts is what you are getting at, this is where it is different.
We have defined our strategy and we are now implementing, I don't care about the past, only here and now and the future. What I like about Aaron is that he was able to admit his mistakes, and face up to them, he is helpful and honest and will listen, something I respect in a leader, because so many so called leaders do not have those core values.
You really do sound like a Local Spike alt...
Originally by: Buck Marui
Originally by: Aaron
You make very interesting points.
I'd like to see it more as a partnership and I feel you are somewhat over complicating it.
I have it in my mind as this;
- Groups of people come together as a community regardless of corp/alliance - We set up a counsel - We set eachother blue and share intel - we build up the market and grow - We use good fleet commanders to defend and members of the community can join in if they want. - We have an open blue policy - communicate out of game via a forum.
I feel this is the most straight forward way to populate npc 0.0.
Yet you have no Council, you have no Logistics and you have no "good fleet commanders"
Why do you not have these things? Because they require control and organization, where you see me as overcomplicating things, I see you as over simplifying things, unfortunately as its stands we only see your way not working.
Communities require a leader and careful, constant organization to be a community.
You expect these things to come to you, because you put up a message on the forums, but you offer no incentive for loyalty or rewards.
I can cite you hundreds of examples of how my ways work in the everday things we all see, can you do the same? Are you truly expecting to defy all odds by self righteousness alone?
You are not some kind of Messiah or Prophet, people will not follow you blindly because they believe in what you are doing, people will follow you only if you lead them, and you cannot lead by inaction and guidance, only by swift action and control.
Furthermore, there is no straight forward way to populate 0.0 space, that you feel there is, is rather concerning.
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Buck Marui
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.09.17 15:07:00 -
[596]
Edited by: Buck Marui on 17/09/2010 15:14:38
Originally by: Dracvlad You really do sound like a Local Spike alt...
Well you are of course entitled to your oppinion however biased it is, of course the most logical response to this would be to say you are Aarons alt but I don't have the inclination to explain to you how this is irrelevant, who I am in no way makes what I said any different, or any less relevant.
I am also not "getting at anything" I do not know Aaron beyond his posts here, I do not like nor dislike him, I happen to think his idea is good and hoped simply to help him with it. You have made it clear my help or presence is clearly not wanted however, so I will leave you alone.
Good luck.
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Roosterton
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Posted - 2010.09.17 15:16:00 -
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Quote: Why do you not have these things? Because they require control and organization, where you see me as overcomplicating things, I see you as over simplifying things, unfortunately as its stands we only see your way not working.
I find this stuff hilarious. When Aaron tries to be orderly (Asking L-Spike to be NRDS, bargaining with AoV to get part of 2,000,000 missiles back (or even asking why they were bought,)) He gets called a control freak and an egotistical maniac and set red.
Now that he's learned from those incidents and has stopped being as orderly, people like you who have Self-admittedly never met him in game come and criticize him here.
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Buck Marui
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.09.17 15:51:00 -
[598]
Originally by: Roosterton
I find this stuff hilarious. When Aaron tries to be orderly (Asking L-Spike to be NRDS, bargaining with AoV to get part of 2,000,000 missiles back (or even asking why they were bought,)) He gets called a control freak and an egotistical maniac and set red.
Now that he's learned from those incidents and has stopped being as orderly, people like you who have Self-admittedly never met him in game come and criticize him here.
He learned what exactly? That you can't tell other people to do things? I could have told him that, I am only suggesting he keep his own house in order not other peoples, and quite frankly if Aarons ego is bruised by a little bit of hardship like this then hes in for a big shock when he gets the attention of some of the bigger Alliances. Surely you know that there are peope who are willing to set you red without provocation, regardless of your actions.
Also, I critized his actions not his person, just as I may critisize a film without knowing the actors, or a game without knowing the developers, that I do not know him or anyone from Local-spike simply makes me less biased. |
BjornarGoesToSpace
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Posted - 2010.09.17 15:54:00 -
[599]
Originally by: Roosterton
Quote: Why do you not have these things? Because they require control and organization, where you see me as overcomplicating things, I see you as over simplifying things, unfortunately as its stands we only see your way not working.
I find this stuff hilarious. When Aaron tries to be orderly (Asking L-Spike to be NRDS, bargaining with AoV to get part of 2,000,000 missiles back (or even asking why they were bought,)) He gets called a control freak and an egotistical maniac and set red.
Now that he's learned from those incidents and has stopped being as orderly, people like you who have Self-admittedly never met him in game come and criticize him here.
Buck marui said: "I am also not "getting at anything" I do not know Aaron beyond his posts here, I do not like nor dislike him, I happen to think his idea is good and hoped simply to help him with it. You have made it clear my help or presence is clearly not wanted however, so I will leave you alone."
I have never heard of Buck Marui before and i dont think he is a Local-Spike forum-alt, but i might be wrong. I also think that his post were right on the money and they were well written, i think your critisism is misplaced roost.
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deathkiller95
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Posted - 2010.09.17 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Tornado Bait Local-spike did and will do far more to make a home for new/old players in 0.0 then Aaron and friends ever will.
So why indiscriminately kill any new members of Aaron's alliance rather than encouraging them to switch sides? I see a lot of "DONT JOIN AARONS ALLIANCE" in this thread, but I see no "JOIN LOCAL SPIKE INSTEAD". It certainly looks to me as if you're more interested in hindering Aaron than helping your own corp.
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