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Durararagi
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Posted - 2010.07.21 20:52:00 -
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I've been doing some Evemon/EFT planning, and I realized that its gonna take me two years before I'm making "Real money" of 100m/hr while not being laughed by the entire universe when I show up on a KB.
So what should I do in the mean time?
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Namdor
Amarr The Gentlemen's Corporation
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Posted - 2010.07.21 20:55:00 -
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Quote: So what should I do in the mean time?
Post whiny, grossly exaggerated troll threads on the forums.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.07.21 21:07:00 -
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No. If you can't "really play the game" right now, another 45M SP under your belt won't help you much. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Region watcher1
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Posted - 2010.07.21 21:36:00 -
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Originally by: Durararagi So what should I do in the mean time?
Pod yourself
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Felix Esperium
Lysergic Distortions Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.07.21 22:11:00 -
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get in the kitchen and make me a sandwich.
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Cat IntheBox
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Posted - 2010.07.21 23:26:00 -
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spend ~$200 and buy a decent character and play now.
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Durararagi
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Posted - 2010.07.22 01:25:00 -
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Well, I've podded myself plenty with help of the nice folks living in curse and great wildlands.
Still, I get the sense that battlecruisers are the sort of things you fly to have fun and there'd be no tears even if I kill those oppressors. It seems like the best way to "beat" them is to dock up when something shows up on local and save them from a "good fight" that they can farm a kill mail out of. That is just meh.
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Aralieus
Amarr The Inf1dels En Garde
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Posted - 2010.07.22 01:57:00 -
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Originally by: Region watcher1
Originally by: Durararagi So what should I do in the mean time?
Pod yourself
repeatedly
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Misanthra
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Posted - 2010.07.22 04:03:00 -
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titan ratting ain't all that bro....you need fleets to provide support and first sign of an afk cloaky has you hiding real quick. Titan's jumped solo...even if you get away...someone in corp/alliance gonna bust your balls hardcore lol. So you end up splitting bounties anyway lol
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.07.22 07:05:00 -
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Originally by: Durararagi Well, I've podded myself plenty with help of the nice folks living in curse and great wildlands.
Still, I get the sense that battlecruisers are the sort of things you fly to have fun and there'd be no tears even if I kill those oppressors. It seems like the best way to "beat" them is to dock up when something shows up on local and save them from a "good fight" that they can farm a kill mail out of. That is just meh.
With that attitude you're going to suck in 750 days as well. You'll just suck with more expensive ships.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
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Cade Windstalker
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Posted - 2010.07.22 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Misanthra titan ratting ain't all that bro....you need fleets to provide support and first sign of an afk cloaky has you hiding real quick. Titan's jumped solo...even if you get away...someone in corp/alliance gonna bust your balls hardcore lol. So you end up splitting bounties anyway lol
To quote like fifty people I've talked too in-game and myself every time I've told someone this. Cap ships spend 99% of their time sitting around doing nothing until they're needed for a fleet op of some sort. A cap ship by itself is like a tank in a real war without infantry support: scrap metal that doesn't know what it is yet.
You can "play this game" at pretty much any amount of skill points. It's just that what you're doing changes. If you think about things realistically it'll take you about a year to get into a decent raiding guild in WoW and longer than that to make it to their A-list. Same for Eve it's just up front about it.
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CAPSLOCKBROKE
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.22 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Cade Windstalker
Originally by: Misanthra titan ratting ain't all that bro....you need fleets to provide support and first sign of an afk cloaky has you hiding real quick. Titan's jumped solo...even if you get away...someone in corp/alliance gonna bust your balls hardcore lol. So you end up splitting bounties anyway lol
To quote like fifty people I've talked too in-game and myself every time I've told someone this. Cap ships spend 99% of their time sitting around doing nothing until they're needed for a fleet op of some sort. A cap ship by itself is like a tank in a real war without infantry support: scrap metal that doesn't know what it is yet.
You can "play this game" at pretty much any amount of skill points. It's just that what you're doing changes. If you think about things realistically it'll take you about a year to get into a decent raiding guild in WoW and longer than that to make it to their A-list. Same for Eve it's just up front about it.
It takes like two weeks to hit 80 and join a raiding guild in wow...lol. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ CAPSLOCK, BECAUSE SOMETIMES REGULAR FONT JUST, ISN'T, GOOD ENOUGH. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.07.22 18:50:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 22/07/2010 18:50:28
Originally by: CAPSLOCKBROKE It takes like two weeks to hit 80 and join a raiding guild in wow...lol.
"A", yes. "Decent", no. Same was as many narrow-minded crops in EVE work. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2010.07.23 10:44:00 -
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Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 23/07/2010 10:45:04
Originally by: Durararagi I've been doing some Evemon/EFT planning, and I realized that its gonna take me two years before I'm making "Real money" of 100m/hr while not being laughed by the entire universe when I show up on a KB.
So what should I do in the mean time?
I fully agree with you!! I have the same problem too! I have been playing for 5 years now and I still cant compete with Dr. Caymus and the rest of the ilk who has me beaten! I try and try and try! But when I have earned 85 million SP Caymus got 155 million! And when i get 100 million he will have 170 million! Its unfair! I simply cant compete with them! So I hope CCP will do something about it so I can claim his position!
What you can do while you waiting? Ship hangar spinning is a good pastime activity I have heard.
Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL. |
Anddeh McNab
Matari Department of Gun Control
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Posted - 2010.07.23 11:26:00 -
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Oh god another one. At least you seem to have some sense, as oppposed to Mr 19 years a few threads down the page.
EVE takes alot of time input, yes. If you want instant gratification, get a hooker or something. My mother works most evenings in the London area.
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Scyyy
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Posted - 2010.07.23 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: CAPSLOCKBROKE
It takes like two weeks to hit 80 and join a raiding guild in wow...lol.
Not even close, It's actually pretty hard to get into the good wow raiding guilds and you need to have complete understanding of the ins and out of your class. Sure you can get into a crappy one right off the bat but don't expect to actually down anything. I really don't care for wow anymore but the blatant misrepresentation of the game is pretty ridiculous.
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Danika Drake
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Posted - 2010.07.23 23:14:00 -
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Originally by: Scyyy
Originally by: CAPSLOCKBROKE
It takes like two weeks to hit 80 and join a raiding guild in wow...lol.
Not even close, It's actually pretty hard to get into the good wow raiding guilds and you need to have complete understanding of the ins and out of your class. Sure you can get into a crappy one right off the bat but don't expect to actually down anything. I really don't care for wow anymore but the blatant misrepresentation of the game is pretty ridiculous.
...Unpopular as it might be, i've got to agree there. I've played EVE and WoW for years concurrently and WoW is actually much more difficult to play at the highest level both in terms of cooperation, coordination, and time input.
Not saying that I enjoy WoW more, (in-fact I quit before the last expansion) because I don't, but just about anyone who's actually experienced high-end pve and pvp content in WoW will tell you EVE is instant-gratifictaion-easy-lol by comparison. Skilling and ISK are the only time sinks and since accounts can be sold and isk purchased legally via plex... yeah.
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foksieloy
Minmatar Universal Army Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.07.24 08:36:00 -
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Except in high end EvE play you can loose tens of billions of ISK and years of work. In high end WoW gameplay you loose 15 minutes.
TOTALLY comparable. _______________________ Drink Eau du Nichup«, the taste of heaven. Now available as Nichup Citrus« as well! |
Scyyy
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Posted - 2010.07.24 09:38:00 -
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Amount of loss doesn't equate to it being harder. High end wow raiding requires far more coordination and strategy between the players to be successful. As I said I really don't care for WoW anymore, but seeing people judging it without actually understanding its end game and saying you can get the best gear in a month and all of that crap is just ignorant. Just like eve there are the carebear casuals (which everyone seems to think are the only people who play WoW) and there are the hardcore raiding players who theorycraft just as much as eve players and put just as much thought into their game as people do in eve.
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Viral Effect
Caldari BRAINDEAD Corp
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Posted - 2010.07.24 10:58:00 -
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Play another game Eve Online isn't for you. All threads like this one should be locked.
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Svarty II
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.24 15:10:00 -
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Edited by: Svarty II on 24/07/2010 15:10:53
Originally by: Viral Effect Play another game Eve Online isn't for you. All threads like this one should be locked.
That's a good deal, and I am taking you up on it. I just wanted to remind you, before I go, that CCP need new players to replace the older players, like you, who die IRL. So in order to do this they need to make them want continue and not look at the huge mountain of skills (which they require to be on a par with other players) and despair. One reason this mountain is so large is because of the insane T3 ships they've implemented and their requirements.
Bye bye.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.07.24 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: Svarty II àlook at the huge mountain of skills (which they require to be on a par with other players)à
Incorrect.
Quote: One reason this mountain is so large is because of the insane T3 ships they've implemented and their requirements.
Even more incorrect. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Svarty II
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.24 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia Incorrect.
Quote: Even more incorrect.
This entire community appears to be in denial. Too bad.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.07.24 18:56:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 24/07/2010 19:00:53
Originally by: Svarty II This entire community appears to be in denial. Too bad.
No. The entire community understands what skills and SP can and cannot do; new players don't, and your comments exemplify this perfectly.
You don't need a mountain of skills to be "on par" with others, because on-par-ness is a largely irrelevant in a paper-scissors-rock balance environment.
The T3 ships is a further example of this: they are probably the least demanding omgzpowereful ships the game has to offer in terms of skill requirements.
What is needed isn't a change in the skilling mechanics ù it's an education effort to teach new players that their preconceptions about how it all works are totally inaccurate. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Deckington Forgecaster
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Posted - 2010.07.24 18:58:00 -
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May I please have all your items?
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Caldari Citizen20090217
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Posted - 2010.07.25 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Durararagi I've been doing some Evemon/EFT planning, and I realized that its gonna take me two years before I'm making "Real money" of 100m/hr while not being laughed by the entire universe when I show up on a KB.
So what should I do in the mean time?
I can kinda see what the OP is saying - that as time goes on the average player sp count goes up and this is a bigger hurdle for a newbie to climb. Average age of a character was about 8months before they quit iirc (Theres a dev blog somewhere). I will agree learning skills are offputting for a new player.
Or you could think outside the box. Make newbie friends and group run missions, or go on lowsec/null roams and kill these 100m/hr players for their juicy loots. Your clones as a newbie are cheap, so u can afford to be podded in your rifter/kestrel blob, and still come out ahead in fun, and isk if you kill something bigger. Remember fun > isk.
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Durararagi
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Posted - 2010.07.26 02:36:00 -
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Edited by: Durararagi on 26/07/2010 02:39:10 Well, this is more an attempt to prod easy tricks to make 100m/hr, but i guess most people aren't making that either. (like, if you knew to train a tengu, you'd be making 100m/hr in 6 month lololz sort of posts)
Lack of sp is a real barrier to doing anything outside than disposable fit pvp and highsec carebearing. My old corp of around one year old chars tried to move to null, but realistically they couldn't do much there. Most are characters with less than optimized skills that can't make over 20m/hr and none of them could survive without prealignment or megablobz upon meeting a lololz nanogang in anything they fly. Even setting up a highsec tower is a very difficult whole corp event due to general poverty, and it is not due to lack of hours spent.
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Brannor McThife
Caldari Brotherhood of the Ancients
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Posted - 2010.07.26 03:35:00 -
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Originally by: Durararagi Edited by: Durararagi on 26/07/2010 02:39:10 Most are characters with less than optimized skills that can't make over 20m/hr and none of them could survive without prealignment or megablobz upon meeting a lololz nanogang in anything they fly.
a) Why do you need to make 20m/hr? b) You don't have to go to Nullsec to have fun. Stop equating money and fun.
I'm tempted to start a new alt and hit lowsec from day 1 and make him/her self sufficient. You know what more SP/money brings you? The same issues as in RL. You're scared to lose it (money) and you get too many (expensive) options to fly. Start early and start cheap. Best way to learn and have fun.
-G
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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2010.07.26 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Svarty II One reason this mountain is so large is because of the insane T3 ships they've implemented and their requirements.
Bye bye.
Lolwhat? It's actually faster and easier to get into a T3 ship than a T2 cruiser. That aside, though, you seem to be under the impression that T3 obsoletes T1 and T2. That isn't how it works. --------------- Faction-Militia:Player-Alliance::Newbie-corp:Player-corp |
Evia Telmek
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Posted - 2010.07.26 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: SurrenderMonkey
Originally by: Svarty II One reason this mountain is so large is because of the insane T3 ships they've implemented and their requirements.
Bye bye.
Lolwhat? It's actually faster and easier to get into a T3 ship than a T2 cruiser.
This. My 6-month old alt flies a tengu.
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Stuart Price
Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2010.07.26 22:37:00 -
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The only people who get actually laughed at on kb's are those with stupid fits or those who took stupid risks. Neither of those things have any relation at all to skillpoints.
Making isk at a massive rate requires some specialisation into the required areas - not broad crosstraining and getting every skill to 5. You can get an isk-grinding character up and running pretty damn fast, everything after that is fine tuning if you keep down the same path.
In the mean time you could always try to learn some actual skills (and I say that in my most non-condescending voice, which is unusual) like how to fly manually, how each weapon system actually works (and therefore how to optimise performance - having 20mill gunnery SP doesn't really help you hit a close orbiting Dramiel with 1400mm Howitzers...).
You could try learning tactics and nomenclature for different ships and modules so that when you see one in space, you can have an educated guess as to how it might be fitted and how it might perform; compare it to your own ship's fitting and how you fly it.
You could learn the local faces, individuals, corps, alliances etc. Who works with who, who's an easy target and who you should avoid. Who honours 1v1's and who cyno's supercaps on anything that locks them. You could learn the area you're operating in, which systems are dangerous and why, which systems you could make some money in etc.
You could learn all that. Or you could whine a bit.
Yeah I know, easy for me to say as an '04 vet with loads of SP. Sure, it does help ('help', not 'cause instant victory'), since I can fly loads of different, mostly shiny things with loads of different, mostly shiny modules but if I'm good at what I do it's because I bothered to learn everything I just listed. Sometimes really, really well.
Any 'pro' will have as many stories of how he got torn to bits by a far younger player as of winning against insane odds. Plenty of the 'younger' guys I fly with have become very competent players - because they bothered to learn. Putting the 'irate' into 'Pirate' |
Msc Berzerk
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Posted - 2010.07.27 12:57:00 -
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Originally by: foksieloy Except in high end EvE play you can loose tens of billions of ISK and years of work. In high end WoW gameplay you loose 15 minutes.
TOTALLY comparable.
And im sure you have never played highend arena in wow, have you? Highend wow arena (youknow the stuff they stream over the internet, kinda) one match can ruin about 2-3 months of hard work (and i mean hard, as in 5 hours a day) for 5 people.
Im not saying the loss is bigger, just saying that unless you have played wow to to edge, you cant realy comment. Tbh i found wow required more skills than eve, at least as in skills in what to do at a certain time and that kinda ****, in wow you have about 40 buttons you regulary use plus an eviroment you actualy have to care about (only time this happens in eve is when you gotta dodge the big bad asteroid so you dont lose transversal and still you can shoot someone through the asteroid, in wow you cant shoot through stuff), eve is more strategic and long term, earning gold in wow is **** easy, but in eve you can be smart and earn alot. Mostly i like eve because it gives you more room for inovative smart stuff, like the 10 thoraxes alliance tournament game, that kinda stuff doesnt happen in WoW, this doesnt make WoW skilless tho.
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knentil
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Posted - 2010.07.27 19:21:00 -
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In the mean time? Get owned on Starcraft 2.
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Zyress
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Posted - 2010.07.27 20:30:00 -
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pick a smaller ship, say a frigate, train only skills relevant to its weapon and tanking system, mods you use on it and command skills, you can max out the skills you need for a frigate in much less than a year You'll be capable of flying it as well as anyone in the game, all their extra skillpoints won't let them do a thing you can't in an equivalent ship (as long as you don't step out of a frigate role in battle you will be as good as you can be, pick a cruiser, preferably the same race weapon system type and tanking type , again train only skills needed to improve its performance and the performance of the modules you use, shouldn't take as long as the frigate for most things but Cruiser V can be a bear, anyway you get the idea, its a progression, skills from the previous hull apply on the next hull as long as you stay in the same general ship types.
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Philip Flatline
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Posted - 2010.07.28 07:05:00 -
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So, dear mr. OP why do you think you're entitled to play with the big boys? Maybe you're not where you should be.
As with any game, before you can compete with longer standing players it takes time. In the mean time, gang up on them. Eve is a multiplayer game, not solo. What you might not be able to do on your own you can do with friends.
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Regis Nex
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Posted - 2010.07.28 13:10:00 -
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Edited by: Regis Nex on 28/07/2010 13:11:15 When EVEMON was invented. People started planning BIG ships instantly. Thus, the OP's thread.
Problem this created was the natural game progression from the use of easily trainable ships and starting skills is skipped, just trained(playtimewise). They chuck in big expensive ships which takes longer to train skipping everything below it. When they can skill up and enjoy the game as their character progress.
Yes itll take you that long before your BIG shinny e-pheen ship.
But if you play like the rest of us. Start small, learn how to play gradually. Youll be ready for your dream ship before you know it. Dont rush things, cause eve cant be rushed. Can't wait? Other games available for you.
But how can I compete with the other pilots older than me? Specialize!
If you still insist on the evemon way and whinge about it. Ill bet my man-gonads, you'll still suck and whinge more even with your dream ship. More pirate fodder though
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.07.28 14:42:00 -
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It is true that for every subcapital ship, it takes longer to fully learn to fly it than it takes for your character to fully skill for it.
(It may be true for capitals as well)
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Surol
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Posted - 2010.07.29 05:02:00 -
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I just started stepping into T2 ships and that was only for SB roams. Stick to T1 and just build support skills all the fancy ships in the game are not worth it. My BC was putting out almost as much dps as my friends command ship and he has over 20m more sp then me. specialise for combat and fly cheap.
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Barrak
Caldari Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.07.29 09:30:00 -
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Originally by: Brannor McThife
Originally by: Durararagi Edited by: Durararagi on 26/07/2010 02:39:10 Most are characters with less than optimized skills that can't make over 20m/hr and none of them could survive without prealignment or megablobz upon meeting a lololz nanogang in anything they fly.
a) Why do you need to make 20m/hr? b) You don't have to go to Nullsec to have fun. Stop equating money and fun.
I'm tempted to start a new alt and hit lowsec from day 1 and make him/her self sufficient. You know what more SP/money brings you? The same issues as in RL. You're scared to lose it (money) and you get too many (expensive) options to fly. Start early and start cheap. Best way to learn and have fun.
-G
Outstanding reply Sir!
Sometimes I wonder why people bother coming to the forums...... and I am not refering to the new guys.
How is it that all of you (not everyone) that continualy gripe at new players (who do not have a greater understanding of the game) continue to do so?
Don't you get it, this is where they come to learn the game, this is where they get advice from supposed 'players with experience'......... that means you! and what do they get? nothing but 'yeah... leave, can I have your stuff'.... my god thats a funny one, I've not heard that before.
I mean, come on. Quit the crap and either A) don't reply or B)offer some of your damned experience to them.
Don't try and pretend that you didn't go through this at some stage (I know not all of you would have), just help some people for once instead of posting crap!
Barrak In this life (Eve) dying is easy, its living thats hard.
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Rashmika Clavain
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.01 09:27:00 -
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Posting in a RvB Recruitment Thread.
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Skex Relbore
Gallente Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.08.03 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Rashmika Clavain Posting in a RvB Recruitment Thread.
Why is it every time someone mentions RVB the peanut gallery has to chime in with this kind of nonsense?
On the original topic, Don't worry about skill points. They come with time and there is only so much you can do to accelerate it (short of buying a character).
But as was pointed out it's not like one can get into an end game raiding guild and geared up decently in those other games in less than a year.
I was an end game raider in EQ it would take months to get a good gear set from a new expansion and you couldn't do any of it afk. Oh and you'd better have a decent gear set to start with or we were going to make fun of you and send you back to the minor leagues. Once you got in you had to make the raids save the DKP then hope that the item you want drops and that no one with more DKP wanted it.
Unlike EVE which if you stick around long enough you'll be able to get into that Titan should you so desire. And anyone can do it. In the other MMO's that everyone likes to dog out and compare to in these conversations only a small percentage of the gaming population will ever get into the best gear while it's still current. The vast majority run around in group/solo attainable crap and drool over the end game raiders drop links.
In EVE anyone can buy anything, Want a Titan buy a character who can fly one then buy the Titan.
Want a Dramiel? Train Gal and Minmatar frig and take a trip to Jita.
The only real difference between EVE and those other games is that EVE tends to reward sustained effort while in most MMO's one is rewarded for intensity of effort.
Since you can't accelerate your skill advancement it creates more incentive to enjoy the ride.
In other MMO's everyone rushes to max level then figures out they only have a limited amount of things to do and missed out on most of the content.
In EVE on the other hand, since your going to be waiting 2 years to fly that Titan you've got time to tramp around and try out different things.
You can do the mission runner thing or run plex's or do exploration or pirate in low sec, You can ninja salvage and Suicide gank, you can build up an industrial empire or become a tycoon on the markets.
The biggest problem I've found in EVE isn't a lack of skill points to do things but a lack of sufficient free time to try all the things my character can already do that I want to try out.
The lack of a level grind also helps to keep mudflation in check. Since there isn't really an endgame and characters can be effective at all skill levels there is no need to release new tougher content every 6 months to feed the hungry horde of min-maxing power gamers.
Since the upper level of character power doesn't bump up every 6 months there is less need to dumb down the game so newer players don't face a longer and longer level grind with each expansion just so they can join the bulk of the player population.
In EVE a 1 million SP character can fly with a 100mil SP character and actually offer a meaningful contribution to the efforts. In level based MMOs a 5th level character could contribute nothing grouped with a top leveled character.
The truth is they might as well start people out at max level in those game after they've been out a couple years since the lower levels are just a hurdle to clear to get to the real game.
In EVE every ship counts the 1 mil SP newb can get the tackle for that cool kill that would gotten away otherwise. 10 of them can take out the 100mil sp character if they can catch them with their pants down.
Or that 1 mil SP newb can play the market and make a fortune and buy a character with the skills they want.
You won't see that in other games.
So stop worrying about the destination and enjoy the journey.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.08.03 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: Skex Relbore Since you can't accelerate your skill advancement it creates more incentive to enjoy the ride.
In other MMO's everyone rushes to max level then figures out they only have a limited amount of things to do and missed out on most of the content.
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So stop worrying about the destination and enjoy the journey.
This is really an important observation, and one that I think throw a lot of people of who come from other games.
In most games, you play to advance your character. In EVE, you play as you advance your character.
It might not sound like that big a difference, but in actuality, it's huge. EVE isn't a game of character advancement ù it's a game of internet spaceships, and it just so happens that your character advances in ability as you play that game. Yes, you could play it the way those other games play, and make the character building take centre stage, but then you're missing out on the actual content EVE provides. You're effectively skipping 99% of the game in order to concentrate on something the game has been specifically designed to keep you from concentrating on because it is so unimportant for the gameplay.
In time, you'll have more SP. Until then, play the actual game ù you might actually find it entertaining. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Flapkonijn
Caldari Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.08.04 12:09:00 -
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Edited by: Flapkonijn on 04/08/2010 12:11:11
Originally by: Skex Relbore
Originally by: Rashmika Clavain Posting in a RvB Recruitment Thread.
The biggest problem I've found in EVE isn't a lack of skill points to do things but a lack of sufficient free time to try all the things my character can already do that I want to try out.
^^This !^^
I think i can say i am a old player i've crossed 6 years and i still don't have enough time to do stuff. In the first 6 months in game i trained basic mining skills and mined with a banthem for 6 years hours day (Sad i know :-) Then i switched to missions for a while ect... ect... ALSO remember in this time you had 3 ships classes Frig, Cruiser, BS no T2 and no Spec ships. If you want to do onlt 1 thing in eve and money is top issue then you'll be bored after a while. It's easy to make 5 billion in a month or 2 and then blow it on a few elite fitted ships and lose it. BUT if you don't enjoy making the isk and then losing ships in something you like then i would not even bother playing it or you'll end of not liking the game.
And skillpoints don't mean that much im 100mil+ SPS toon i just started going into PVP now and i suck against 2 - 5 Mil SPS chars.
That was my rant...
Fly Safe!
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Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.04 12:47:00 -
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You don't need to be on the same level to compete. There so many podpilots that are so utterly drunk while playing that they get a -20mil sp penalty :) A friend of mine got whacked with a T1 rubbish noob frigate (and it was a noob) because he wasn so drunk that he almost passed out. He did all the mistakes one could make. Lolfail if I've ever seen one :D Stop whining. |
Riho
Gallente Magnificent Beavers The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2010.08.04 13:20:00 -
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i have over 60m sp.
i can fly:
marauders(gallente, amarr) recons(gallente, amarr, minmatar) hacs command ships + all the other t1 ships with t2 fits.
but 90% of the time i fly a t2 fit t1 Battlecruiser :P
so whats good about all the skills iv trained.... choise i guess.
it doesnt take long to train a BC skills close to my lvl (i have pretty much maxed em all out)... only thing is i have few very longs at 5 while someone has them at 4... and with that you can allready beat me if you play it right.
what i want to say is you can train a ship quite fast and be good at it... you dont need to wait 2 years to train all the ships you want and then start playing. ---------------------------------- Fighting for something Yes... this is my main. Extreme Troll Slayer...
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Verrenici
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Posted - 2010.08.04 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Msc Berzerk
And im sure you have never played highend arena in wow, have you? Highend wow arena (youknow the stuff they stream over the internet, kinda) one match can ruin about 2-3 months of hard work (and i mean hard, as in 5 hours a day) for 5 people.
Skill doesn't enter the WoW equation, so they lost (wasted, rather) those 2-3 months regardless of whether they won or lost.
'High-end wow arena'. The Dane Cook of competitive gaming *obscure Archer reference*.
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Dramis
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Posted - 2010.08.05 11:21:00 -
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Edited by: Dramis on 05/08/2010 11:20:50 As posted elsewhere, in response to the usual 'omg, I can't make ISK with a new char'. My brother started a brand new account last year and after 11 weeks, with no scamming or assistance, he'd made 7 billion ISK.
You don't need 2 years of skills to make ISK in this game, you just need a brain that can think for itself and a backside that doesn't need somebody else to wipe it for you.
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Demolishar
Internet Spaceship Raiders
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Posted - 2010.08.05 12:58:00 -
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Just unsub. You'll take 2 years to become your best, and at the end of those two years you'll find out your best isn't good enough.
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc. Damu'Khonde
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Posted - 2010.08.05 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 23/07/2010 10:45:04
Originally by: Durararagi I've been doing some Evemon/EFT planning, and I realized that its gonna take me two years before I'm making "Real money" of 100m/hr while not being laughed by the entire universe when I show up on a KB.
So what should I do in the mean time?
I fully agree with you!! I have the same problem too! I have been playing for 5 years now and I still cant compete with Dr. Caymus and the rest of the ilk who has me beaten! I try and try and try! But when I have earned 85 million SP Caymus got 155 million! And when i get 100 million he will have 170 million! Its unfair! I simply cant compete with them! So I hope CCP will do something about it so I can claim his position!
What you can do while you waiting? Ship hangar spinning is a good pastime activity I have heard.
I thought they told you in rookie camp not to expunge the secrets to those that are unworthy
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Irae Ragwan
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Posted - 2010.08.05 21:53:00 -
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Train battlecruiser, support, navigation, and weapon skills to V. You'll have access to the best cost/effectivness ships in the game and will be welcomed anywhere you want to pvp. You can further specialize, but chances are you'll be bored soon. BC's give you a HUGE variety of effective fits, uses, and playstyles. They can run missions, station camp, gatecamp, be effective parts of a large fleet, small gang, you name it: they can do it.
Granted, they aren't the cheapest ships in the game, and most pvp'ers will advise you to fly frigates for a long time because of their cost, but honestly if you want to be self-sufficient you'll need at least a bc hull that can run level 3 misisons unless you fancy being a ninja salvager (personally that bores me even more than mission running and ratting).
TLDR: The answer to newb frustration is battlecruisers. They're easy to get started with, incredibly versatile, dangerous in pvp, and not horribly expensive to replace.
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phantomshura
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.08.06 05:43:00 -
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so you want to reach the endgame in 2 days?... do you start at max lv making tonsd of gold in wow?
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Widemouth Deepthroat
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Posted - 2010.08.08 17:30:00 -
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Sell your greasy ringhole and then buy some gtc with the profits. Trade them for isk and buy a character. Otherwise watch **** for 750 days while doing high sec missions till your ready for pvp.
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Xearal
Minmatar SOL Industries Kamikaze Project
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Posted - 2010.08.08 18:03:00 -
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Defintily agreeing with the 'old crowd' that are talking about the newb helping out in a big fight. Been there.. done that.
A few months ago, my alliance had a war in a wormhole with another corp invading it. We lost the war, but that's not the point. The point is.. between the 30 odd battleships and whatnot on each side. there was a single rifter flying. That rifter was me. And it was responsible for being able to kill 3 battleships when we got the drop on a couple of them.
How? I was the tackler. I flew around with an MWD on, like mad, avoiding drones and hoping not to die before they got him, getting some RR from a couple of friendly drones around me. Being that pain in the ass to those battleships, tackle, web, vamp drain, all the little evil things you can do that seriously annoy enemy battleships.
Because of me, those 3 battleships could not warp out, without me, they would have, and all that firepower on our big ships pounding them would have been wasted. So while I didn't do the big baboom, I was a key part in a chain that led to the destruction of those three battleships. All with a T1 frigate, with T1 fittings, not even good meta stuff.
That ship was a true minmatar ship, I put it together from junk I had collected doing Level 1 and Level 2 missions. At most, that ship cost about 2 million ISK. and that is mostly because I had some 'shiny' modules to spare, aka Meta 1, meta 2 modules, where I was out of the regular Meta 0 ones. ( sold those all on the market I think, or reprocessed them for minerals ).
Did I die in that fight? Yes.. when we engaged a Loki, he had the brains to kill me FIRST, so yes, I died horribly that day. Double horribly because while those 3 battleships were just 'enemies' to me, that loki pilot was someone I met before, and exchanged fire with. an experienced pirate, who got the better of me on several occasions, though it was a close call every time. I REALLY wanted him DEAD, alas, next time, I will get him for sure.. he's on my hitlist, and when I meet him on the field of battle, he will feel the wrath of my GUNS.
You hear me, E6O5? I'M GUNNING FOR YOU! I will fill my aquarium with the goo from your POD! I will use your implants for artistic wall decorations, and I will sell your ship to the junkyard, becuase once I'm through with you, thats where it will belong!
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.08.08 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Widemouth Deepthroat Otherwise watch **** for 750 the rest of your days while doing high sec missions till your because you will never be ready for pvp.
Fix'd. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
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