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Mynxee
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Posted - 2010.07.22 21:11:00 -
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I've set up an IdeaScale community where you can submit ideas for making Low Sec matter...ranging from full-scale Themes to very focused things. Other community members can comment on and vote on your idea. There is already good participation there...lots of ideas and activity bubbling around them. Please feel free to join us.
I originally had the idea of confining ideas to the "Criminal Industry" theme that was discussed in my Focus Group. But ... brainstorming is better done in a more wide open environment. So...have at it. Whatever idea you have that you feel would improve Low Sec is welcome there.
In a few months, when themes and ideas have had a chance to coalesce and the community has had a chance to weigh in, the CSM will see if it is feasible to write Low Sec "Story" as suggested by CCP Greyscale at the June 2010 Summit and post it as a proposal.
"But CCP said Low Sec was off the radar for like FOREVER!" you cry in anguish. So? Doesn't mean we can't get our ideas documented and rally community support for them in a more organized fashion than Assembly Hall permits. Consider this a creative exercise and an experiment in community brainstorming. It's fun! If you enjoy it, participate! If you don't, no probs.
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Ninetails o'Cat
League of Super Evil
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Posted - 2010.07.22 21:16:00 -
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Mynxee is the best CSM delegate TBH.
Can I just add what I always say about lowsec; that the risk vs reward balance is never going to be balanced.
If you balance it by adding more rewards, large entities like 0.0 alliances will come in and squash out the pirates, and other players that live there now, and keep a monopoly on the rewards for themselves.
However, if you boost the safety of lowsec, you kill off the entire idea of the area, and irritate the hell out of the pirates.
So to boost lowsec you have three choices:
1. Get the pirates curb-stomped by large, organised opposition 2. Get the pirates cut out by increased security 3. Do nothing.
None of them really achieve anything...
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Jmarr Hyrgund
The Bastards
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Posted - 2010.07.22 21:16:00 -
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Great site Mynxee, crowdsourcing is a good way to put lots of people's heads together and also acts as a filter for the refinement of the ideas obtained.
I've got a few concepts posted already.
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Ninetails o'Cat
League of Super Evil
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Posted - 2010.07.22 21:17:00 -
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Edited by: Ninetails o''Cat on 22/07/2010 21:18:11 Double post FTL.
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Max Torps
Nomadic Conglomerate
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Posted - 2010.07.22 21:20:00 -
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Quote: "But CCP said Low Sec was off the radar for like FOREVER!" you cry in anguish. So? Doesn't mean we can't get our ideas documented and rally community support for them in a more organized fashion than Assembly Hall permits. Consider this a creative exercise and an experiment in community brainstorming. It's fun! If you enjoy it, participate! If you don't, no probs.
Absolutely spot on! Right, low sec ideas <scribbles in notepad>. Heading over there asap!
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De'Vadder
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.26 01:43:00 -
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Originally by: Ninetails o'Cat Mynxee is the best CSM delegate TBH.
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However, if you boost the safety of lowsec, you kill off the entire idea of the area, and irritate the hell out of the pirates.
First part i quote for truth, second to answer ^^ Its important to not forget that some safety is needed. Pirates cant be pirates without targets. And targets (like me doing Plexes in my awesome Sin called the Green Whale) dont come if they know they cant help but getting killed. I go to lowsec because i know how to stay kinda safe and i wouldnt if i couldnt. Of course you could say, yay awesome, so the only targets that come are those we cant kill? Well no, my point is, targets need to have a chance. Of course, when i was in my Dominix, i often activated my cloak before the mwd, i often forgot to put the mwd back online before i made the first jump after the plex and the list of my huge mistakes goes on. So i clearly am killable (even more so with more effort like camping in a plex, but please dont do that, its like cheating ^^) but as i have the chance to claim the (quite good) rewards in lowsec exploration without loosing my ship, i will come back. And i will come back with more and more delicious loot as deep in my heart im like one of those annoying mission runner carebears and just want the shiniest ship in the neighbourhood. Only that i want it in Lowsec. And why is there still nothing that sets content apart from signature? Is that intentional or technically imposible? |
Rebecca Aventine
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Posted - 2010.07.26 02:15:00 -
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A simple change to scanning mechanics would probably be all that would be needed to revert low-sec populations to their pre-Apocrpyha levels.
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Mister Swift
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Posted - 2010.08.02 11:35:00 -
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Would be nice to see ideas and comments from some more people on the IdeaScale site
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Mynxee
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Posted - 2010.08.06 13:51:00 -
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*BUMP* to encourage more people to join the Making Low Sec Matter community ideas site and contribute their ideas and opinions there (see OP for link).
Life In Low Sec |
Ori Blake
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Posted - 2010.08.06 15:07:00 -
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Isn't this defeating the purpose of the Assembly Hall? I thought the point was for proposals to gain a level of support, then you as CSM present them as an agenda item. Will you be taking the best ideas and also allowing them to gain or lose support there?
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Zilberfrid
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Posted - 2010.08.06 16:07:00 -
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Good thing to have around, Low sec is too large for its current attention.
I'd say make a few cosmos agents more, but close to high sec (so the large 0.0 alliances can't reach there without significant effort). They would represent a coming and going of players that have something to get there, but don't want to live in low sec just yet. Also, give more exploration opportunities, these are now lacking sorely. Get belts up to and over high sec profitability before risk. More manufacturing facilities in stations. Any non-amarr at least wants to make a bit of ammo every now and again.
While the risks soar below 0.5, the rewards do not scale accordingly, and while rewards increase greatly below 0.1, the risks even get lower. ------------------------------------- I like to fly around and shoot stuff. |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2010.08.06 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Ori Blake Isn't this defeating the purpose of the Assembly Hall? I thought the point was for proposals to gain a level of support, then you as CSM present them as an agenda item. Will you be taking the best ideas and also allowing them to gain or lose support there?
No, this is a focus group to help the pirate delegate (Mynxee) within the CSM, put forward suggestion from those who live in low sec. You can't expect Mynxee to have all the answers, or even all the questions that need to be raised.
Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive.
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Ori Blake
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Posted - 2010.08.06 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: Mag's
Originally by: Ori Blake Isn't this defeating the purpose of the Assembly Hall? I thought the point was for proposals to gain a level of support, then you as CSM present them as an agenda item. Will you be taking the best ideas and also allowing them to gain or lose support there?
No, this is a focus group to help the pirate delegate (Mynxee) within the CSM, put forward suggestion from those who live in low sec. You can't expect Mynxee to have all the answers, or even all the questions that need to be raised.
No I get that. My understanding though is that the CSM are supposed to be bringing proposals that gain a high level of support in the assembly hall to CCP. In theory that is supposed to act as a vetting mechanism to prevent bad or out-there ideas from being pushed.
I can see the point of getting information, however it's kind of an end-run around the hall's idea if that info bypasses the "gain support" stage and merges into full proposal. I'd just ask that if any ideas Mynxee plans to present to CCP from the site be at least proposed on the Hall for transparency purposes.
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Cearain
Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2010.08.06 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: Ori Blake Isn't this defeating the purpose of the Assembly Hall? I thought the point was for proposals to gain a level of support, then you as CSM present them as an agenda item. Will you be taking the best ideas and also allowing them to gain or lose support there?
It seems the purpose of assembly hall was defeated by ccp long before this was made. Actually I think this ideascale is superior to assembly hall because it is better at tracking which ideas are liked or not liked by players.
Mynxee has said itÆs not just for pirates. ItÆs for anyone who wants to brainstorm ideas for low sec. I really think Low sec can and should be the pinnacle of eve - especially for those who can't play eve 8 hours a day.
Basically the way I see it is high sec is good at what it offers and does. You have null sec for those who can play eve as much as they like. Low sec should be (among many other things) for those who love to pvp but can't defend a pos at 3 am. Low sec should offer pvp that is quick to get involved in. I think some of the ideas in there would make it so. But really I should throw this up on the idea board and see if other players would agree.
-Cearain
Make fw occupancy pvp instead of pve: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906 |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2010.08.06 16:44:00 -
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I see your point, but you need to understand one thing.
Even though we all hate or claim to hate each other in low sec, when it come down to actually making changes to low sec, you'll find us quite united. The one thing we dislike, are high sec dwellers claiming to know what is and what isn't needed. When they have little to no understanding of what life in low sec is about. Same goes for a lot of 0.0 people, but not all.
We feel we are poorly represented as it is, but now that we have a champion in the CSM, it's good to see the gathering of the community.
Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive.
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Cearain
Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2010.08.06 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Ori Blake
Originally by: Mag's
Originally by: Ori Blake Isn't this defeating the purpose of the Assembly Hall? I thought the point was for proposals to gain a level of support, then you as CSM present them as an agenda item. Will you be taking the best ideas and also allowing them to gain or lose support there?
No, this is a focus group to help the pirate delegate (Mynxee) within the CSM, put forward suggestion from those who live in low sec. You can't expect Mynxee to have all the answers, or even all the questions that need to be raised.
No I get that. My understanding though is that the CSM are supposed to be bringing proposals that gain a high level of support in the assembly hall to CCP. In theory that is supposed to act as a vetting mechanism to prevent bad or out-there ideas from being pushed.
I can see the point of getting information, however it's kind of an end-run around the hall's idea if that info bypasses the "gain support" stage and merges into full proposal. I'd just ask that if any ideas Mynxee plans to present to CCP from the site be at least proposed on the Hall for transparency purposes.
This would be a legitimate concern, but I donÆt think that is the case. I donÆt think mynxee intends to have csm ôpassö anything here without having assembly hall pass the proposal first.
But the CSM does other things beside just pass items from assembly hall that go to the backlog. Mynxee gave a presentation on low sec other csm gave presentations on fw and other things. I think mynxee is using this to help inform herself about what ideas are out, the pluses and cons, and the players overall likes/dislikes. Plus she was specifically asked by ccp to fill in some ideas of what her vision of low sec would be. She is simply having the players contribute to help her in her response.
-Cearain
Make fw occupancy pvp instead of pve: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906 |
De'Vadder
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.08.18 14:08:00 -
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At least for me the site offers plenty ideas i would never had myself but that i totally love.
What i mean is, thinking about different proposions furthers my own understanding of others people perception of lowsec as well. A normal assembly-hallish proposal that i normally wouldnt have understood now might get my vote for example. And why is there still nothing that sets content apart from signature? Is that intentional or technically imposible? |
RavenNyx
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Posted - 2010.08.19 09:28:00 -
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.19 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: Mynxee I've set up an IdeaScale community where you can submit ideas for making Low Sec matter
Mynxee, making it a forum outside the CCP board you are asking people to entrust you with their e-mail address while at the same time confirming they are EVe players.
Knowing the level of metagaming in EVE and the problem with pishing attempts I find this a very bad idea.
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De'Vadder
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.08.27 23:38:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
Knowing the level of metagaming in EVE and the problem with pishing attempts I find this a very bad idea. A lot of people will avoid that forum as they will feel it is not secure.
You dont have a dedicated anonymous Eve-eMail-address or better 2 with one not even naming your char? I gotta be playing another game than you... And why is there still nothing that sets content apart from signature? Is that intentional or technically imposible? |
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cyndrogen
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Posted - 2010.08.28 02:23:00 -
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I love when people whine about low sec being empty. Well did you ever consider it genius that by being an aggressive little kill prick who shoots everything on site that you might be actually ruining lowsec for others and yourself? Did that ever dawn on your teeny tiny little brain?
You want more people in lowsec? STOP SHOOTING EVERYTHING THAT JUMPS THROUG A GATE A-HOLE! Then maybe you might see more people actually fly lowsec, but that will never happen because your gang of creeps only cares about one thing: PVP.... well until you change how you play I doubt you'll see more lowsec players and no amount of votes will change that, sorry.
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Kestrix
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Posted - 2010.08.28 08:08:00 -
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The reason low sec is largely unused is because of the fact that it is far too likely for a group of players to be interrupted. An interrupted mining Op is as good as over even if you have the system 'protected' by a pvp corp this only buys you a little time to get your self back to safety be it a station POS or hi sec. An interesting fact is, it's safer to have a mining Op in 0.0 than in low sec!
If you take a look at hi-sec, your miners can use Hulks, supported by Orca's and freighters with next to no risk. You can hold a mining Op that runs from DT to DT with out interruption. The fact that your not mining the better ore's is more than made up by the sheer amount of minerals you can mine. Sell off your excess tritanium and pyrite ect to buy the 'two' minerals that can't be mined in hi-sec. And on-top of this your not having to pay a friendly pvp corp/mercs to try and keep you safe!
The problem as I see it is that low-sec is sandwiched bettween hi-sec (faction controled) and 0.0 (player controled) and is effectivley a no mans land which nether faction nor player base can effectivly control. And your trying to make this an atractive destination to players in ships incapable of deffending themselves whose objective is to make a profit?!
Next you'll be asking why more yachting clubs arn't recommending the Samalia coast line as an attractive holiday destination???
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