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Lt George
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Posted - 2010.07.25 17:25:00 -
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It means client tries to access windows-sensible procedures. After the incident with formatting the hard drive, i would like to know more before turning DEP down for this test client.
DEP SAYS : "First, see if a DEP-compatible version of the program is available by visiting the software publisher's website. If the publisher has not released an updated, DEP-compatible version of the program, you can turn off DEP for the program that was closed. You will be able to use the program, but it might be vulnerable to an attack that could spread to your other programs and files."
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Agent Unknown
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.07.28 01:15:00 -
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DEP is useless on non-system files for the most part. I've never found a reason to use it other than for critical system files (which Windows has by default). NEVER rely on it. Just disable it (or add it to exceptions). DEP is well-known to break a lot of programs. I forgot to mention that you are in fact reading something that is called a signature. |
Lt George
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Posted - 2010.07.28 09:07:00 -
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Edited by: Lt George on 28/07/2010 09:08:54
I don't rely on DEP for security ( in fact i have'nt heard or read about it before this incident ) but it's not like CCP programmers are so professionals that i would not take in account a security warning regarding their programs. If i did that, i would've lost very important data when eve decided to reformat the hard drive years ago. SO, it's better to wait for them to have a security-friendly version than disable any security programs.
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2010.07.28 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: Lt George Edited by: Lt George on 28/07/2010 09:08:54
I don't rely on DEP for security ( in fact i have'nt heard or read about it before this incident ) but it's not like CCP programmers are so professionals that i would not take in account a security warning regarding their programs. If i did that, i would've lost very important data when eve decided to reformat the hard drive years ago. SO, it's better to wait for them to have a security-friendly version than disable any security programs.
Blatant and irrelevant statement... DEP is only preventing code execution from data segments. It won't prevent partition formatting, if code would decide so. -- Thanks CCP for cu |
Pennwisedom
Gallente Sublime.
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Posted - 2010.07.28 19:05:00 -
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Deleting boot.ini != Formatting the hard drive
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Lt George
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Posted - 2010.07.28 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: Tonto Auri Blatant and irrelevant statement... DEP is only preventing code execution from data segments. It won't prevent partition formatting, if code would decide so.
But it would prevent some possible other type of damage that inexperienced programmers could cause by compiling code that makes calls to those data segments. The fact is, they already did huge amount of damage and disabling ANY type of security would be an irresponsible measure - except of course when you don't really care about what happens with the data on your computer :)
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Pennwisedom
Gallente Sublime.
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Posted - 2010.07.28 20:47:00 -
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Took me four seconds to find the answer in Google. So no, I still don't think it is even close, as all sites also explain it is an easy fix.
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Alice D
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Posted - 2010.07.28 23:15:00 -
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Edited by: Alice D on 28/07/2010 23:16:07 The question is what did CCP break in it so that it causes this problem?
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Lt George
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Posted - 2010.07.29 04:17:00 -
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Originally by: Pennwisedom Took me four seconds to find the answer in Google. So no, I still don't think it is even close, as all sites also explain it is an easy fix.
LOOL
http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000648.htm
In case you understand whats there ( which most user don't - command prompt is a riddle for a vast majority of the computer users ), 90% of the computers have windows pre-installed and no windows cd. Since '99 most of the computer manufacturers started to deliver their PCs with recovery disks, which would not help in this case. So you need to build a bootable cd with the needed tools, which is another project in itself. Don't speak for all the players here when you say its easy. Most of my students would not know how to do it and it would be easier to just reformat and restore the system.
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yani dumyat
Minmatar Black Storm Cartel The Orca Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.07.29 22:41:00 -
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Also getting crashes due to DEP, I don't have any interest in learning how to a reinstall a boot ini file so hope CCP sort this out before this bug hits TQ. _______
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HeliosGal
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.07.30 00:48:00 -
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yes this bug is a bit of an odd one wonder how that cleared coding
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Agent Unknown
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.07.30 01:34:00 -
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Just so you all know....DEP will NOT prevent file edits. DEP is purely based in memory and simply prevents viruses from exploiting things like buffer overflows and that sort of thing. Just add eve to the exception list and get on with your life on SiSi. I forgot to mention that you are in fact reading something that is called a signature. |
Saelie
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Posted - 2010.07.30 06:49:00 -
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I had a DEP-related crash on this too. Once added to the list, it resumed its normal method of crashing. Obviously something pretty major changed in the back-end from the TQ version to Sisi for it to be causing all sorts of new execution errors.
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Bret Escardi
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Posted - 2010.08.01 11:03:00 -
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I downloaded and installed the SiSi test client from this official website.
Ran it, got through the system loading up, and then was greeted with a message saying about voice account initializing, the mouse went totally slow, laggy, and there seemed to be lots of HD swapping.
Then windows (XP 64) proceeded to halt the program and close it, citing "Data Execution Protection" as a fault in the program.
It "seemed" to be related to the voice message as it stayed on screen as the program was halted. Is there some virus being piped in via the new voice provider? Last time I ever download a test patch.
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justin666
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Posted - 2010.08.02 06:55:00 -
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have you tryed turning it off and on again?
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Blazde
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.08.03 11:08:00 -
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The DEP message is just telling you EVE crashed in an ugly way and Windows made sure it didn't execute data as code, just in case someone malicous had caused it to crash. Turning it off won't prevent the crashes.
I was writing proof-of-concept exploits around the time DEP came in and it really is a true show stopper for a huge range of the nastiest exploits that were previously very easy to pull off, so don't go around disabling it. Definetely don't disable it for the CcpBrowser process.
Just bugreport the crashes and/or click that 'Tell Microsoft about this problem' button (apparently that gets back to CCP). _
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