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Dork Blade
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Posted - 2010.07.26 03:38:00 -
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I think, after doing a lot of personal and interesting research, that obesity is caused by the intake of dairy products, including things such as milk, eggs, butter, and even to a lesser extent products containing any dairy such as bread. If you have extra body fat and don't look like an athlete model, you should probably consider not eating any dairy, while continuing to eat plenty of meat, a variety of fruits, vegetables, and whole plants, and also I'm a big fan of eating yeast, which is rarely found without dairy mixed in, and yeast can be eaten mixed with water or as a seasoning.
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Arvald
Caldari The Lumberjacks
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Posted - 2010.07.26 03:52:00 -
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Edited by: Arvald on 26/07/2010 03:53:08 stop eating fast food stop drinking soda eat less exercise more quit being a lazy fat ****, there ya go cure for obesity
also yeah cut out dairy products if you want brittle bones and joint problems later in life.
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.26 03:58:00 -
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Originally by: Arvald Edited by: Arvald on 26/07/2010 03:53:08 stop eating fast food stop drinking soda eat less exercise more quit being a lazy fat ****, there ya go cure for obesity
also yeah cut out dairy products if you want brittle bones and joint problems later in life.
Ah yes, the Don't Eat So Much diet Signature locked for editing a moderator's warning. Zymurgist |
Dork Blade
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Posted - 2010.07.26 04:06:00 -
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Edited by: Dork Blade on 26/07/2010 04:06:27 On a side note, I do recommend eating the entire animal, particularly smaller animals, if possible. Small animal bones contain many different nutrients than the flesh, as do the organs. Also good is tons of water and plenty of salt.
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stoicfaux
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Posted - 2010.07.26 04:19:00 -
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Talk to a dietician and develop a meal plan (how many calories/carbs/protein you should consume based on your body weight/ideal BMI.) Learn to count/estimate carbs and protein servings. Use a little will power and *poof*, you'll shed those pounds that come from eating too much food.
Ex: a 12oz Mountain Dew has *three* servings of carbs (15g = 1 serving.) That's basically a bowl of spaghetti. Whatever carbs you don't burn, get stored as body fat. How many sodas/bowls of spaghetti/body fat a day do you drink?
It takes 3500 calories to create a pound of body fat. A 12 oz Mountain Dew has 170 calories. 3500/170 = 20.5 sodas. So if you drink three MDs a day, that's a pound a week you're adding on.
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Dork Blade
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Posted - 2010.07.26 05:57:00 -
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I have heard that all the popular current cures for obesity are ineffective, and the medical community openly claims to be clueless about it?
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Legion
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Posted - 2010.07.26 06:30:00 -
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Originally by: Dork Blade I think, after doing a lot of personal and interesting research, that obesity is caused by the intake of dairy products, including things such as milk, eggs, butter, and even to a lesser extent products containing any dairy such as bread.
Confirming eggs are a dairy product and come from a milk producing animal.
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2010.07.26 06:47:00 -
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It's all a factor of calories in vs. calories burned. Intake more calories than you burn and you will put on weight.
They asked some tri-athletes what their special diet was and they said "anything". It didn't matter what they ate. They burned so many calories that it just didn't matter.
The real problem - is why you have a imbalance in your calorie intake and burn off.
If you have a job that burns a lot of calories ... then you don't have to go to the gym. The thing is ... a lot of people, especially people with children ... have to make a choice between taking care of themselves and taking care of their kids. So they take care of the kids and get fat (or at least fatter than they would otherwise be).
In any case - there is no one diet/exercise plan that is right for everyone ... which is why there are so many. What you have to do - is to come to understand how your body works - not how someone elses body works - and then adjust what you are doing based on that.
Age and health problems make things more difficult.
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.26 07:23:00 -
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Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
It's all a factor of calories in vs. calories burned. Intake more calories than you burn and you will put on weight.
They asked some tri-athletes what their special diet was and they said "anything". It didn't matter what they ate. They burned so many calories that it just didn't matter.
The real problem - is why you have a imbalance in your calorie intake and burn off.
If you have a job that burns a lot of calories ... then you don't have to go to the gym. The thing is ... a lot of people, especially people with children ... have to make a choice between taking care of themselves and taking care of their kids. So they take care of the kids and get fat (or at least fatter than they would otherwise be).
In any case - there is no one diet/exercise plan that is right for everyone ... which is why there are so many. What you have to do - is to come to understand how your body works - not how someone elses body works - and then adjust what you are doing based on that.
Age and health problems make things more difficult.
We had a grunt in my platoon that was about 280 lbs. I mean fat as hell, no matter how long we were out in the field or how little chow we had he stayed the same... it was weird.
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M'ktakh
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Posted - 2010.07.26 08:36:00 -
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Originally by: Intense Thinker We had a grunt in my platoon that was about 280 lbs. I mean fat as hell, no matter how long we were out in the field or how little chow we had he stayed the same... it was weird.
We're talking USMC infantry here
Not completely surpsrising. You see, your body never works of 100% efficiency (its designed that way, and thats how it should be). For example, if you have an intake of lets say 2300 kcal (and people, you eat KILOcalories, not calories), and a usage of 2000, then your body wont turn all the 300 into fat, only a portion of it, and some part gets thrown away, aka shat/****ed out.
Not, if you either up the usage or reduce the intake, then your body increases its efficiency, and throws away less and less nutriens. This is partly why some diets come with a rather high weight loss early on, and then you lose less and less, as your body adapts to the reduced intake.
I suppose thats what happened with your pal. He might have a very low base metabolism (or some sleep apnea, that causes massive weight gain), and that coupled with a famine mode body, and a moderate intake (lets say 1500 kcal) can maintain your weight for a long time.
And the problem with any diet is that due to this increase in efficeincy, your body will get a part of your lost wieght back the moment you switch back to your earlier eating habits.
I myself have about 5 kg of excess weight (sadly, its conregated around my gut), and base dieting only stopped me from gaining more. I tried to look into more complex diets, but all have "eat a lot of fruit, and don't drink milk", and neither appeals to me.
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Vogue
Skynet Nexus
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Posted - 2010.07.26 08:47:00 -
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In my experience the best diets are stress and flu I find that no snacking between breakfast, lunch and dinner keeps my weight down. Still got a bit of a belly but that should eventually go.
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Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2010.07.26 08:58:00 -
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There is no cure. Modern diets are so horrible, highly processed and highly contaminated with chemicals that the butter, milk eggs and etc. of our forefathers are better, healthier and more nutritious. Eating a lot of fatty products will not make someone fat or obese, contrary to popular beliefs - the French, the Inuit, the Masai would beg to differ.
The real culprits are refined carbohydrates sources such as sugar and white flour. You can completely eliminate sugar from your diet by training your tastebuds to drinking coffee/tea/chocolate drinks without sugar. Also abstain from any sort of processed drinks, including any processed fruit juices that you get from the supermarket.
White flour is a little harder to eliminate since it's in everything. If you've got iron discipline, go for it. If not, your best course of action is to moderate your intake and swap to healthier alternatives like whole wheats, sourdoughs etc..... for the rest of your life.
If you're into healthy eating, I'd checkout this website. Found it while researching a couple of things on tooth decay and phytic acids. Lots of nice information. |
M'ktakh
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Posted - 2010.07.26 09:46:00 -
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The problem with comparing modern fat intake with inuit/masai/etc populations is that they had tens of generations to weed out the genetic stock that was not adapted to their fat-rich diet. We dont.
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ceaon
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Posted - 2010.07.26 09:51:00 -
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Originally by: Arvald Edited by: Arvald on 26/07/2010 03:53:08 stop eating fast food stop drinking soda eat less exercise more quit being a lazy fat ****, there ya go cure for obesity
also yeah cut out dairy products if you want brittle bones and joint problems later in life.
this also remember that to get the information about how much full is your stomach your nervous system need 20 min so your should eat slower and any meal should last 40 min so you dont introduce to much food in your stomach and make it larger also masticate your food very well this sounds stupid but really helps
Originally by: CCP Adida The male thread was locked because the discussion turned into transsexuals and man boobs.
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Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2010.07.26 10:08:00 -
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Originally by: M'ktakh The problem with comparing modern fat intake with inuit/masai/etc populations is that they had tens of generations to weed out the genetic stock that was not adapted to their fat-rich diet. We dont.
Genetics do play a part, how big a part, we don't know. Consider American Indians or even Inuits who adopted modern eating habits, heck you can even look at the Japanese modern day diets - all show increases in obesity and diseases. That sort of disproves that genetics having the greater influence. Check out the link from my previous post .. particular the category on diseases of civilization, kitava and kuna.
What really play the larger part is proper healthy diet. Not modern diet based on packaged foods, but proper whole diets. |
Vogue
Skynet Nexus
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Posted - 2010.07.26 10:11:00 -
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There is one universal constant. Anywhere in the world there is a McDonalds you will find fat people in it. This is particulary noticeable in France who generally have a thinner population than other countries
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Ressiv
Cooperative Freelance Navigators Association
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Posted - 2010.07.26 10:15:00 -
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Tot all the people that think they got the one cure for obesity: forget it.
Factors that play a smaller or larger role:
- mental wellbeing - glands and if they work like they shoud (not too fast/slow/etc) - digestive body type - etc.
Good luck eating less carbs in these cases and losing weight. Try no to die.
I dont gain a pound even I trie to. I can eat whatever the **** I want and then some, ans stay @ the same weight. Yeah, flying a desk.
So please educate yourself better before you think you have the one-fix-all cure for somehting that has a lot more causes then are being accounted for by carb intake or diary intake. ========================== Nothing is true, everything is permitted. ========================== |
UVPhoenix2
Gallente Rim Collection RC Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.07.26 10:21:00 -
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I eat fast food all the time but I'm not fat. I'm pretty active outdoors and I don't sleep a lot. I tend to not think about the negative aspects of eating junk food which I believe plays a big role in the whole obesity problem these days. I know how you feel. Material of this nature affect us all in different ways. What you need to do is learn from this. And this is just my sig. |
Vogue
Skynet Nexus
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Posted - 2010.07.26 10:30:00 -
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It is true that some people are unlucky to have a their plumbling wired so they are more likely to be fat.
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Asarus Atreyu
The Kairos Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.07.26 10:31:00 -
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Quote: A cure for obesity?
Do regular exercise...? Alternatively modify your genes to give you a fast metabolism!
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Mutant Caldari
Caldari Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.07.26 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Arvald Edited by: Arvald on 26/07/2010 03:53:08 stop eating fast food stop drinking soda eat less exercise more quit being a lazy fat ****, there ya go cure for obesity
also yeah cut out dairy products if you want brittle bones and joint problems later in life.
All I basically drink is soda, all I eat is fast food/junk food, and I never exercise yet I am in no way obese, hell I even have some tone >_>. \o/ for fast metabolisms? Yeah I am a pirate. What are you gonna do about it? Killboard link is not allowed to be used in a signature.Applebabe
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.26 11:45:00 -
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Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 26/07/2010 11:47:07 1 lb/.45 kg of fat = 3500 calories.
That means you need to burn 500 calories more then you ingest on a daily basis to loose 1 pound per week.
You can do this by eating 500 calories less per day till you reach equilibrium. You can do 500 calories of work per day while consuming no additional calories then previously ingested daily. Or you can combine 250 calories from each of the above methods.
Now each personĘs metabolism is different, but at the basic levels they are the same. Ideally, to avoid triggering the survival mechanisms that slow down metabolism to prepare for periods of starvation, one must eat a minimum of 3 times per day if not 5-6 times per day.
You should not eat within 3 hours of sleeping.
Ideally your diet should be a well balanced diet of the food stuffs that fit into the genetic backgrounds you exhibit. In other words look at the food stuffs that your ancestors likely ingested.
Outside of that, many general practitioners are clueless about diet, exercise, and their effects on the physiology of the body. But that is not really their fault considering how much medicine they already need to keep up with. This is also why the fitness field needs some serious looking into for regulation of the individuals that decide to be professionals in the field.
Currently in the US there are upwards of 300 personal training certifications, of which only two of them (possibly a third) that require a college degree. When you think about how much damage a personal trainer can cause to someone in the general population it is scary how little knowledge we actually require them to attain
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Originally by: Mutant Caldari
Originally by: Arvald Edited by: Arvald on 26/07/2010 03:53:08 stop eating fast food stop drinking soda eat less exercise more quit being a lazy fat ****, there ya go cure for obesity
also yeah cut out dairy products if you want brittle bones and joint problems later in life.
All I basically drink is soda, all I eat is fast food/junk food, and I never exercise yet I am in no way obese, hell I even have some tone >_>. \o/ for fast metabolisms?
And you will be one of the skinny guys in their fifities that has a stroke and everyone goes why him he is so skinny. But the real issue is that your artiries are getting clogged faster and more severly then someone that eats healthy, exercises, and has a higher percentage of bady fat then you
Slade
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.07.26 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: Ressiv Tot all the people that think they got the one cure for obesity: forget it.
Factors that play a smaller or larger role:
- mental wellbeing - glands and if they work like they shoud (not too fast/slow/etc) - digestive body type - etc.
Good luck eating less carbs in these cases and losing weight. Try no to die.
I dont gain a pound even I trie to. I can eat whatever the **** I want and then some, ans stay @ the same weight. Yeah, flying a desk.
Yup... I've been pretty much 60kg for over 10 years now, and I eat like a horse and never do much exercise (except cycling into town once a week)
I did go to the gym for a few months last year, where I ended up actually putting on weight, but that disappeared soon after
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BalZ
Gallente Donkey Bacon
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Posted - 2010.07.26 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Arvald eat less exercise
What? How dou you eat exercise? And how is it prepared? I imagine it stir-fried with a side of athletic shoes. Maybe some oregano on top...
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Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
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Posted - 2010.07.26 13:40:00 -
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The cause of obesity is explained here. Trolls? In my EVE forums? It's more likely than you think...
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.26 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium The cause of obesity is explained here.
I was unable to watch the whole video, but from the comments it sounds like this guy is trying to blame the whole obesity epidimic on high fructose cornsyrup. Is this so?
If it is then the guy is completely off base, but I will watch it when I get to my home comp to verify things for sure.
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Arvald
Caldari The Lumberjacks
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Posted - 2010.07.26 13:59:00 -
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Edited by: Arvald on 26/07/2010 13:59:35
Originally by: Slade Trillgon
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Originally by: Mutant Caldari
It is skinny guys like you in their fifities that have strokes and everyone goes; why him, he is so skinny. But the real issue is that your artiries are getting clogged faster and more severly then someone that eats healthy, exercises, and has a higher percentage of bady fat then you
Slade
this is a very good point, its also worth mentioning that your body needs some excess fat on it, chubby people tend to live longer than really tone/skinny people because their body has extra fat to burn in times of extreme physical stress (bad sickness, injuries things like that) and that means the body dosent have to resort to burning the fat from places its needed.
Originally by: BalZ
Originally by: Arvald eat less exercise
What? How dou you eat exercise? And how is it prepared? I imagine it stir-fried with a side of athletic shoes. Maybe some oregano on top...
bite me i forgot a comma ok
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DuffmanPeter
Perpetua Umbra The Last Brigade
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Posted - 2010.07.26 14:10:00 -
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Figured I would weigh in since I recently lost about 30 pounds. What I found works is I go the gym about 2 times a week. I do calisthenics including pullups, pushups and crunches till I cannot anymore.
For my diet I eat high amounts of whole grain and stay away from processed food in general. My diet includes whole wheat pasta, quinoa (amazingly good for you, #1 best food in the world for you in a poll), about 4 eggs a day, whole wheat bread, peanut butter, milk and fruit and vegetables when I have them. Carbs are not the problem from what I have found. You want complex carbs. They give you good energy and they are natural. They are found in whole wheat. They are found in fruits and vegetables.
Also fat is not bad for you. I consume large amounts of fat with peanut butter and large amounts of canola oil. Fat is needed for building cells as well as other functions. If you want to lose weight, cut processed stuff. Eat whole wheat and some of the other stuff I mentioned every 3 hours a day. So eat as soon as you get up then 3 hours, 3 hours, etc. As Slade mentioned do not eat 3 hours before bed. It will help you sleep as well.
The diet is basically protein and complex carbs. And drink up to 1.5 gallons of water a day. This diet has toned me and lost me a lot of weight. Going to the gym may help but weight loss is NOT exercise, it is DIET change.
Also listen to Slade. He knows his stuff. He comments on stuff like this and is right all the time. Imply or Implode?
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Astenion
Blame The Bunny Bunny Nation
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Posted - 2010.07.26 14:28:00 -
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Dairy is actually toxic to the body, which is why as we get older we need to cut down on our ingestion of it. Not cut it out altogether, but keep it in check. We're not actually supposed to consume lots of dairy as we get older.
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Taedrin
Gallente White Haven Corp
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Posted - 2010.07.26 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: M'ktakh The problem with comparing modern fat intake with inuit/masai/etc populations is that they had tens of generations to weed out the genetic stock that was not adapted to their fat-rich diet. We dont.
NOT TRUE, an anthropologist lived with the Inuit for an extended period of time in the 1920s. He ate the same diet as the Inuit, and suffered NO adverse health conditions what so ever.
Quote: There is no cure. Modern diets are so horrible, highly processed and highly contaminated with chemicals that the butter, milk, eggs (and etc.) of our forefathers are better, healthier and more nutritious. Eating a lot of fatty products will not make someone fat or obese, contrary to popular beliefs - the French, the Inuit, the Masai would beg to differ.
I agree, people need to read up about the dangers of such chemical contamination as dihydrogen monoxide. Food would be so much safer without such dangerous chemicals! ----------
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