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Faffywaffy
The Hull Miners Union
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Posted - 2010.07.27 16:59:00 -
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Standard missile launchers have been broken for years now. Between laughable base damage, huge damage reduction against microwarpdriving interceptors and astronomical fitting requirements, standard missile launchers are useless on frigates. With all other (larger) launchers, the long-range variant is easier to fit. Why not so with frigate-sized missile launchers?
When a rocket crow can defeat 2, if not 3, missile launcher crows, you know something is broken. Can a HAM Cerberus/Drake defeat 2 HML Cerberuses/Drakes? Can a torp Raven defeat cruise ravens?
Fix Standard Missile Launchers:
- Fitting requirements should be less than Rockets.
- Damage reduction against MWD interceptors should be much lower.
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Pennwisedom
Gallente Sublime.
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Posted - 2010.07.27 17:07:00 -
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I will agree with this only if people get banned for posting their whine in the wrong forum.
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Schalac
Caldari Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2010.07.27 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Faffywaffy Standard missile launchers have been broken for years now. Between laughable base damage, huge damage reduction against microwarpdriving interceptors and astronomical fitting requirements, standard missile launchers are useless on frigates. With all other (larger) launchers, the long-range variant is easier to fit. Why not so with frigate-sized missile launchers?
When a rocket crow can defeat 2, if not 3, missile launcher crows, you know something is broken. Can a HAM Cerberus/Drake defeat 2 HML Cerberuses/Drakes? Can a torp Raven defeat cruise ravens?
Fix Standard Missile Launchers:
- Fitting requirements should be less than Rockets.
- Damage reduction against MWD interceptors should be much lower.
Torp Raven would chew up and spit out a cruise Raven. SCHALAC HAS SPOKEN |
el Sabor
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Posted - 2010.07.27 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Faffywaffy
When a rocket crow can defeat 2, if not 3, missile launcher crows, you know something is broken.
Rockets are overpowered.
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Faffywaffy
The Hull Miners Union
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Posted - 2010.07.27 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: Faffywaffy Standard missile launchers have been broken for years now. Between laughable base damage, huge damage reduction against microwarpdriving interceptors and astronomical fitting requirements, standard missile launchers are useless on frigates. With all other (larger) launchers, the long-range variant is easier to fit. Why not so with frigate-sized missile launchers?
When a rocket crow can defeat 2, if not 3, missile launcher crows, you know something is broken. Can a HAM Cerberus/Drake defeat 2 HML Cerberuses/Drakes? Can a torp Raven defeat cruise ravens?
Fix Standard Missile Launchers:
- Fitting requirements should be less than Rockets.
- Damage reduction against MWD interceptors should be much lower.
Torp Raven would chew up and spit out a cruise Raven.
How would it fare against 2?
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Braitai
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2010.07.28 07:34:00 -
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Originally by: Faffywaffy How would it fare against 2?
2 Crows with scram/web/SML would probably kill your rocket Crow, it's the extra tackle you have on a rocket boat that gives a real dps boost, the rockets themselves only give about 20% more dps. There's just no point in using SML's if you're going into web range.
But yes, I agree, SML's could use a grid reduction and maybe an ev/dr/er tweak. The CCP dude in the rocket thread said they were looking at SML's as well, they're intending to make them a decent anti-frig platform, so here's hoping.
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Ophelia Ursus
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Posted - 2010.07.28 10:21:00 -
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Originally by: Braitai SML's could use a grid reduction and maybe an ev/dr/er tweak.
Wat? Standard missiles have no issues hitting frigates, hence the AML caracal being one of the best anti-frig ships in the game. Standard launchers have somewhat unreasonable fitting requirements, but the weapons themselves are OK. Signature removed. |
Faffywaffy
The Hull Miners Union
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Posted - 2010.07.28 10:33:00 -
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Edited by: Faffywaffy on 28/07/2010 10:36:15
Originally by: Ophelia Ursus
Originally by: Braitai SML's could use a grid reduction and maybe an ev/dr/er tweak.
Wat? Standard missiles have no issues hitting frigates, hence the AML caracal being one of the best anti-frig ships in the game. Standard launchers have somewhat unreasonable fitting requirements, but the weapons themselves are OK.
See how much damage AMLs do to untackled (MWDing) ceptors. There's a reason the AML caracal comes with a scram, web, and if you know what you're doing, a neut too.
Braitai: The fitting requirements make it impossible to fit the SML crow you describe, but that is beside the point. SMLs are meant to be long-range weapons - you shouldn't have to scram/web the target to do decent damage to it with SMLs. Hell, in the other thread people complain about having to scram/web for rockets to do damage.
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Ophelia Ursus
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Posted - 2010.07.28 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: Faffywaffy Edited by: Faffywaffy on 28/07/2010 10:36:15
Originally by: Ophelia Ursus
Originally by: Braitai SML's could use a grid reduction and maybe an ev/dr/er tweak.
Wat? Standard missiles have no issues hitting frigates, hence the AML caracal being one of the best anti-frig ships in the game. Standard launchers have somewhat unreasonable fitting requirements, but the weapons themselves are OK.
See how much damage AMLs do to untackled (MWDing) ceptors. There's a reason the AML caracal comes with a scram, web, and if you know what you're doing, a neut too.
Braitai: The fitting requirements make it impossible to fit the SML crow you describe, but that is beside the point. SMLs are meant to be long-range weapons - you shouldn't have to scram/web the target to do decent damage to it with SMLs. Hell, in the other thread people complain about having to scram/web for rockets to do damage.
You have rather unreasonable expectations of your weapon system if you want it to do good damage in worst-case scenarios. Light missiles with the ability to hit well-skilled inties at full burn would offer the target no way whatsoever to mitigate their DPS; I don't see that as being balanced when it's fairly easy to eliminate LR turret DPS unless you also make the missile damage so utterly anaemic that there's no point fitting them in the first place. Signature removed. |
Duchess Starbuckington
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Posted - 2010.07.28 11:48:00 -
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As I put in the rocket thread earlier, fitting 4x standard launchers to a Kestrel at max skills leaves you with 5 power grid and 100 CPU left to fit the lows and mids. When writing this I had intended it to be "4 SMLs and the mandatory propulsion mod", but you can't do it without fitting mods.
Ok fair enough, it's a t1 frigate, its fitting is unlikely to be great. Now let's look at the Hookbill, arguably the poster frigate for the absurd fitting of these launchers. 3x SML II and an MWD leaves you with 7 power grid and 120 CPU with which to fit 4 more mid slots, and god help you getting anything that requires CPU in on those lows when you're done.
Now the Crow, this could very well compete with the Hookbill on the poster frigate thing. With the MWD and 3x SML II, you have 100 CPU left to fit tackle. Sounds alright doesn't it - until you realise you'll need damage mods on there as well to be able to really do anything.
And cramming the fit on in the first place is the easy part. They do have quite significant damage reductions as pointed out. While not as severe as rockets it calls their purpose into question.
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Originally by: Dodgy Past Can't see the Caldari approving of free love though.
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