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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.08.06 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Berikath On a personal note, I've just gotta say.......
You suck. Now my electrolyte costs for eventual P4 production are through the roof. Ah want mah ISK fountain back!
That's what you get for not stocking up while they were cheap.
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Berikath
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Posted - 2010.08.06 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Originally by: Berikath On a personal note, I've just gotta say.......
You suck. Now my electrolyte costs for eventual P4 production are through the roof. Ah want mah ISK fountain back!
That's what you get for not stocking up while they were cheap.
I was a broke mission runner until Tyrranus.
I'm only just about up to paying off my debts, didn't have the capital for more than a day or two's stock :(.
Given, paying off 1.5 bil in BPOs in a few weeks isn't exactly.... something to complain about. But still- I want to make mah moniez!
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VURDAH
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Posted - 2010.08.06 23:54:00 -
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Too many players sellouting coolant at 19k all day and production is high ^^ and i don't now nothing about other players stockpiles and i have no much time for playing and no isk I will sellout my coolant [3 Millions] at minimum 10k price - 30 Billions for 2-4 days if prices will be below 17k [more than 1000k units in jita] This is still good price for me.
If Coolant can really CRASH [price below 15k at 3 days], all other materials: Enriched Uranium and Mechanical Parts will crash too in this month. Because in Our Imperium of EVE, can be a lots of producers of PI.
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Cheque Please
Hot Like Mexico
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Posted - 2010.08.07 00:18:00 -
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Edited by: Cheque Please on 07/08/2010 00:20:00
Originally by: VURDAH
If Coolant can really CRASH [price below 15k at 3 days], all other materials: Enriched Uranium and Mechanical Parts will crash too in this month. Because in Our Imperium of EVE, can be a lots of producers of PI.
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No they won't. Coolant just got so high that it became vastly more profitable than all other p2 stuff and thus it is bound to crash.
Mechanical Parts is a fuel just like coolant, yet still a great loss if you were to produce it (Jita prices). --- WORMHOLE SERVICE RL Meeting w/ Chribba
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Berikath
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Posted - 2010.08.07 00:23:00 -
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Originally by: Cheque Please
Originally by: VURDAH
If Coolant can really CRASH [price below 15k at 3 days], all other materials: Enriched Uranium and Mechanical Parts will crash too in this month. Because in Our Imperium of EVE, can be a lots of producers of PI.
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No they won't. Coolant just got so high that it became vastly more profitable than all other p2 stuff and thus it is bound to crash.
Mechanical Parts is a fuel just like coolant, yet still a great loss if you were to produce it.
o.0
By my most recent calculations (admittedly, a couple days out of date), buying P1s at jita moving price and selling mech parts at jita moving price yielded a slight profit (in the neighborhood of 2%).
Now, that isn't exactly stellar profitability..... in fact, it's pretty "meh" at best, IMHO. However, I certainly wouldn't call it a "great loss", and it's not bad enough to cause an immediate, mass exodus from the production of the parts.
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Carl Stewart
Blueprints For You
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Posted - 2010.08.07 01:05:00 -
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Originally by: VURDAH ...
If Coolant can really CRASH [price below 15k at 3 days], all other materials: Enriched Uranium and Mechanical Parts will crash too in this month. Because in Our Imperium of EVE, can be a lots of producers of PI.
Lot of producers indeed. However, quite a few of them are now rebuilding their stuff to get on the electrolytes wagon. So who is producing all that Enriched Uranium and Mechanical Parts that will be needed over the weekend and week to come? Researched Blueprints for you, Ammo, Fighters, Drones and Ships |
Berikath
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Posted - 2010.08.07 01:14:00 -
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Originally by: Carl Stewart
Originally by: VURDAH ...
If Coolant can really CRASH [price below 15k at 3 days], all other materials: Enriched Uranium and Mechanical Parts will crash too in this month. Because in Our Imperium of EVE, can be a lots of producers of PI.
Lot of producers indeed. However, quite a few of them are now rebuilding their stuff to get on the electrolytes wagon. So who is producing all that Enriched Uranium and Mechanical Parts that will be needed over the weekend and week to come?
0.o
The people who already rebuilt their stuff 2 or 3 times, and realized that they still make some money as is and they have other things they'd prefer to do with their time?
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surf vaquero
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Posted - 2010.08.07 01:19:00 -
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Originally by: VURDAH
If Coolant can really CRASH [price below 15k at 3 days], all other materials: Enriched Uranium and Mechanical Parts will crash too in this month. Because in Our Imperium of EVE, can be a lots of producers of PI.
Prices always crash on the weekends, if you panic sell you deserve to lose money. Aside from that, the others that you listed will only crash if something causes it, which currently isn't likely, so please stop spewing ****.
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Thawed Corpse
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Posted - 2010.08.07 01:32:00 -
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Don't everyone hit the door at once!
It is precisely these kinds of fluctuations of the market that make market movers giddy.
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VURDAH
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Posted - 2010.08.07 03:17:00 -
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Originally by: Thawed Corpse Don't everyone hit the door at once!
It is precisely these kinds of fluctuations of the market that make market movers giddy.
yeah.,
but i don't have time for that [for waiting and playing] omg and i'm mad for producers and 'little' speculators
Originally by: surf vaquero if you panic sell you deserve to lose money.
I don't panic, I first time buyout all my coolant for ~5k I can sellout now all coolant for 14k+ and buyout Mechanical Parts for 7k anyone can do that and i will do that if price of coolant will don't stablilize at 20k+ for 2-4 days [after monday]
Originally by: surf vaquero ...which currently isn't likely.
Do you now that only ~1200 players with 5 low sec planets can produce ALL demand of 4 Millions P2 POS FUEL [~3333 units P2 per player - P1+P2 production] [1.5M Coolant 1.5M Mechanical 0.75M Enriched Uranium]
I can produce myself in region Placid low sec with my 4 alts ~16665 P2 every day
all prices of P1 are going down to ~220-300isk, only water electrolytes and industrial fibers are going up
if i will produce only P1 5 planets, 12k units every day per planet Well 60000 units per character *250isk/unit =15 Millions Profit every day. for electrolytes 60 Millions every day 1000isk/unit
this is too good profit for producers Well "in Our Imperium of EVE, can be a lots of producers of PI." remember only ~1200 players can produce ALL demand of 4 Millions P2 POS FUEL.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.08.07 03:55:00 -
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Originally by: VURDAH remember only ~1200 players can produce ALL demand of 4 Millions P2 POS FUEL.
I'm sure you'll have no problem finding 3-4000 people willing to check up on 6 planets stuffed with extractors every day they log on. It's such a rewarding experience that people will flock to it.
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VURDAH
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Posted - 2010.08.07 05:17:00 -
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Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
I'm sure you'll have no problem finding 3-4000 people willing to check up on 6 planets stuffed with extractors every day they log on.
The Chinese people will do that, , with macroscripts immediately. http://i38.tinypic.com/ilm8gm.jpg and after, they will make illegal, real money Ñ from Billions of isk. Chinese are everywhere , you know that.
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surf vaquero
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Posted - 2010.08.07 05:27:00 -
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Edited by: surf vaquero on 07/08/2010 05:28:46 Edited by: surf vaquero on 07/08/2010 05:27:08
Originally by: VURDAH
I can produce myself in region Placid low sec with my 4 alts ~16665 P2 every day
I'm going to go ahead and call you out on that blatant lie. Unless you're buying P0/P1 from the market, this is not physically possible.
edit: and if you are, you'd be making more money just extracting it.
edit2: also, the skills needed to use the best command center and 6 planets are a combined 57-60 days, so I don't forsee tons of people (alts or otherwise) having that, since the expansion has only been out for 2 months.
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General Bezelbub
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.08.07 05:56:00 -
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Originally by: surf vaquero Edited by: surf vaquero on 07/08/2010 05:28:46 Edited by: surf vaquero on 07/08/2010 05:27:08
Originally by: VURDAH
I can produce myself in region Placid low sec with my 4 alts ~16665 P2 every day
I'm going to go ahead and call you out on that blatant lie. Unless you're buying P0/P1 from the market, this is not physically possible.
edit: and if you are, you'd be making more money just extracting it.
edit2: also, the skills needed to use the best command center and 6 planets are a combined 57-60 days, so I don't forsee tons of people (alts or otherwise) having that, since the expansion has only been out for 2 months.
He means P1 (forgetting that raw = P0)
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surf vaquero
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Posted - 2010.08.07 06:29:00 -
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Originally by: General Bezelbub
Originally by: surf vaquero Edited by: surf vaquero on 07/08/2010 05:28:46 Edited by: surf vaquero on 07/08/2010 05:27:08
Originally by: VURDAH
I can produce myself in region Placid low sec with my 4 alts ~16665 P2 every day
I'm going to go ahead and call you out on that blatant lie. Unless you're buying P0/P1 from the market, this is not physically possible.
edit: and if you are, you'd be making more money just extracting it.
edit2: also, the skills needed to use the best command center and 6 planets are a combined 57-60 days, so I don't forsee tons of people (alts or otherwise) having that, since the expansion has only been out for 2 months.
He means P1 (forgetting that raw = P0)
No, he definitely meant P2.
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General Bezelbub
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.08.07 07:00:00 -
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Shrug then, only way to do that is to buy the P1, and just run pure advanced factories. Why would you do it in low-sec then.
Plus, the other thing to note, is how much of he daily trade in coolant/mech pars etc, is really for use, and what is just trading/investing.
I can tell you that the coolant price right now was mainly driving up by investors, and not users.
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Steve Celeste
Overdogs HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.08.07 10:25:00 -
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Originally by: General Bezelbub I can tell you that the coolant price right now was mainly driving up by investors, and not users.
You can tell from some of the pixels, right?
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Wyke Mossari
Gallente Staner Industries
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Posted - 2010.08.07 10:43:00 -
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The downward trend that has dogged P1s over the last few weeks appears to be reversing. I think the click-fest is starting to bite. The question is what is going to be the next shortage manipulated spike.
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PedoHamma
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Posted - 2010.08.07 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: Steve Celeste
Originally by: General Bezelbub I can tell you that the coolant price right now was mainly driving up by investors, and not users.
You can tell from some of the pixels, right?
Who said he was making his assumption off pixels ? Hes quite right, a few friends or alts in the right places is all he needs.
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VURDAH
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Posted - 2010.08.07 13:56:00 -
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Edited by: VURDAH on 07/08/2010 13:56:43
Originally by: surf vaquero edit2: also, the skills needed to use the best command center and 6 planets are a combined 57-60 days, so I don't forsee tons of people (alts or otherwise) having that, since the expansion has only been out for 2 months.
you really don't need skills to use best command center and 6 planets i'm talking about 5 planets "with 5 low sec planets" do you see ? and advanced command center, not elite. I've got Command center uprages Lvl 4 and Interplanetary Consolidation Lvl 4 [~7 days learning] and better for me is learning production efficienty and mass production on my alts then 5 lvl planet skills
Originally by: General Bezelbub
He means P1 (forgetting that raw = P0)
I don't forgot in my calculations about P0 ofc you'll make yourself P0 and after P1 and P2
I made my 5th Billon isk producing Oxidizing Compoud and selling that for ~1000isk 60 Millions/day - 12 Millions per planet
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King Gore
The Church of Sentcha
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Posted - 2010.08.07 14:39:00 -
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Well, I'm done with Coolant for now. Selling a third of my stock for 32,000 was quite nice. -
Originally by: Verone Happy Ishtar is extremely happy
Originally by: Kahn Souphanousinphone I thought I was going to live next to a powerful man, now I just live next to power.
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battlefar galactica
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Posted - 2010.08.07 15:14:00 -
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still buying coolant too. Also buying other pos fuels that i expect to go up since a lot of people are focusing on producing coolant. I personally think that the click fest that is pi is a major contribution to the fluxuation of coolant and other goods but i'm also concerned that there is a few heavy hitters sitting in the background with a massive supply and will soon flood the market with coolant.
my prediction- coolant will rise again on monday after the weekend to possibly around 25k and then crash possibly late next week or weekend at around 13,000 to 15,000 per unit.
after that or even during that i think we'll see other pi materials begin to spike
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battlefar galactica
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Posted - 2010.08.07 15:17:00 -
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well for the sake of my wallet i hope they do lol
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VURDAH
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Posted - 2010.08.07 16:07:00 -
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Edited by: VURDAH on 07/08/2010 16:11:25
Originally by: surf vaquero
I'm going to go ahead and call you out on that blatant lie. Unless you're buying P0/P1 from the market, this is not physically possible.
with 20 Advanced Industry i can really make 2400 Coolant/day and i need 38400 P1 hmm ^^ yes this is not possible well 3x producers P1 3x~12k + 1 Producer of P2 =2400 Coolant /day 1 player 600 Coolant / day hmmm. well 4 Millons P2 Fuel / 600 =6666 players NOT 1200
Sorry for that.
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Brian Ballsack
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Posted - 2010.08.07 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: VURDAH Edited by: VURDAH on 07/08/2010 17:55:18
Originally by: surf vaquero
I'm going to go ahead and call you out on that blatant lie. Unless you're buying P0/P1 from the market, this is not physically possible.
With 20 Advanced Industry Facility on 1 planet i can really make 2400 Coolant/day and i need 38400 P1 ...3 planets with production of P0-P1 =3x~12k = ~38400 P1 Well with 4 planets I can produce 2400 Coolant P2 1 planet = 600 Coolant
Me and my 4 alts = 25 planets 25*600=15000 Coolant
1 player with 5 planets and lvl 4 skills can produce 3000 Coolant 4 Millions Demand for all P2 POS FUEL / 3000 =1333 players
Hmm 1 player producer of P2 in hi-sec can make 2400*5planets =12k coolant and he needs 96k Electrolytes and Water he will buy electrolytes for 1200 isk 96 000 units* 1200 = 115 200 000 isk and water for 600 isk 96 000 units * 600 isk = 57 600 000 isk for all 172 800 000 isk = 12 000 coolant 172 800 000 / 12 000 = Coolant price 14 400 isk if he sell it for 20k 20k-14.4k=5.4k profit /unit 12 000 units * 5400 =64 800 000 profit every day 1.8 Billion per month and he don't need to click on extractors he can make all P2 in Perimeter 1 jump from Jita This require only delivering P1 from Jita to Perimeter and access to the office
Well done at telling everyone how to take a chunk of your profit.
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VURDAH
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Posted - 2010.08.07 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: Brian Ballsack
Well done at telling everyone how to take a chunk of your profit.
I don't produce, i'm lazy. Well this isn't my profit. I don't care about that. ...On the market is only 1.6 Millions Electrolytes / everyday producers in hi-sec can make only 200k units of coolant /day I've got 3 Millions for sell and now demand is ~1.5 Millions Coolant /day
I care about producers of P1 that delivering Electrolytes to hi-sec space [Jita] from Low and Null space security systems
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VURDAH
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Posted - 2010.08.08 21:41:00 -
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someone bought more than 15 Millions of oxygen for very good price
if oxygen price will be higher than electrolytes price this is good news for us
demand for oxygen is very high if demand for coolant is 1.5M/day then for oxygen is 4.5M/day production of Electrolytes is now ~2M/day well players in hi-sec can make 250k Coolant/day
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Bosswoman
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Posted - 2010.08.09 02:00:00 -
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Originally by: VURDAH
well players in hi-sec can make 250k Coolant/day
They're making more than that and, if they're smart, they're extracting and refining.
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VURDAH
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Posted - 2010.08.09 03:40:00 -
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Originally by: Bosswoman if they're smart, they're extracting and refining.
if they are smart, they are buying Water on the market for <600isk , and only producing electrolytes for sell [best profit / planet] or just producing Coolant in hi-sec [best profit / hour]
i think for no more than 2 weeks [last remain stockpiles of oxygen] producers P0-P1 will be producing oxygen
...Well smart producers of Coolant are buying water and if they are extracting, they are extracting only electrolytes i will be watching water market
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.08.09 05:15:00 -
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Edited by: Rakshasa Taisab on 09/08/2010 05:22:36
Originally by: VURDAH someone bought more than 15 Millions of oxygen for very good price
Checking in!
:nom: :nom: :nom:
Originally by: VURDAH i think for no more than 2 weeks [last remain stockpiles of oxygen] producers P0-P1 will be producing oxygen
...Well smart producers of Coolant are buying water and if they are extracting, they are extracting only electrolytes i will be watching water market
What most perhaps don't realize is that oxygen shares two planet types with electrolytes (last being super-rare ice planets), and as such people will have the choice between either making electrolytes, oxygen or finding another gas/storm planet.
Which means oxygen and electrolytes are in direct competition for PI resources. I was rather surprised at how low oxygen was still selling at so I bought up everything I could at the moment, hoping no one would notice for a few days.
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