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Allana Baselle
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Posted - 2010.07.28 20:37:00 -
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There are reports of regional shortages as speculators buy up remaining reserves. Coolant has performed well during the recent downturn in the PI sector and has seen more than a 60% increase over the last 5 trading days in Jita. Certain market professionals predict even higher prices as production has fallen and demand has remained consistent. Other investors believe the increase is only temporary since production will surely increase in the near future and since more independent moon operations have decided to go off-line as rising fuel prices has made an increasing number of moon materials unprofitable to mine.
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Cheque Please
Hot Like Mexico
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Posted - 2010.07.28 20:51:00 -
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Back to you, Ollie, for the weather... --- WORMHOLE SERVICE RL Meeting w/ Chribba
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.07.28 20:56:00 -
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Am I supposed to buy then?
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Brock Nelson
Caldari Flux Technologies Inc SRS.
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Posted - 2010.07.28 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: Cheque Please Back to you, Ollie, for the weather...
HOT LIKE MEXICO!
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Mephistocles
Red Frog Investments Blue Sky Consortium
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Posted - 2010.07.28 22:36:00 -
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Aren't we supposed to get this info through the fax from our friend that is interested in sharing this great opportunity? And where is the OTC ticker for coolant?
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Zenon Mu
Advanced Assemblies and Sciences
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Posted - 2010.07.29 00:51:00 -
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Originally by: Brock Nelson
Originally by: Cheque Please Back to you, Ollie, for the weather...
HOT LIKE MEXICO!
universal warming of POS is a lie! free coolant for everyone!!!
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Onyth
Had Holdings
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Posted - 2010.07.29 02:11:00 -
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Originally by: Cheque Please Back to you, Ollie, for the weather...
ITS RAININ!
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Varo Jan
Caravanserai Consulting
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Posted - 2010.07.29 02:45:00 -
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Breaking News Reports are coming in of panic buying in Jita of toilet rolls and brown trousers as speculators take a bath.
Medical sources confirm an increase in RSI incidents, and a pharmaceutical spokesperson was quoted as saying, "We've sold **** loads of haemorrhoid salves this month!"
Rumours of a Jita trader asking the way to the undock bay proved unfounded.
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Tenia Solium
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Posted - 2010.07.29 05:28:00 -
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I sold 20mil units of coolant, at 7-9K a unit. confirming I suck at trading.
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My Postman
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Posted - 2010.07.29 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: Varo Jan Breaking News
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Rumours of a Jita trader asking the way to the undock bay proved unfounded.
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You made me spit coke over my keyboard! 10/10
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Widemouth Deepthroat
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Posted - 2010.07.29 14:55:00 -
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With new extract rates on Sisi we can expect coolant to drop below 5k per unit imo.
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Miss AmarrPriceCheck
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Posted - 2010.07.29 19:43:00 -
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Coolant is definitely where the speculators, manipulators, cycle traders and producers should be focusing their attention.
Tens of millions of units are used each week by POS, jita sees at least 1m units/day in volume, and it was not terribly stockpiled before it was unseeded. The great coolant shortage has begun!
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Companion Qube
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Posted - 2010.07.29 20:39:00 -
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Hey look, a shortage of something that's phenomenally easy to produce.
You should all buy in right now before you miss this, hurry - time is running out!
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mental maverick
Duty. Duty. Private Security
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Posted - 2010.07.29 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: Widemouth Deepthroat With new extract rates on Sisi we can expect coolant to drop below 5k per unit imo.
This statement has been used in other PI threads. Come up with something new allready...
PS. It is completely and irrefutably true, now SELL, SELL, SELL!!!
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2010.07.29 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: Widemouth Deepthroat With new extract rates on Sisi we can expect coolant to drop below 5k per unit imo.
I could not tell, the current Sisi build client is so unmanageable that I had to quit client in disgust.
Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves; Aptitude and intellect are needless here; 'Tis impudence and money that grants fame. |
Allana Baselle
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Posted - 2010.07.29 22:15:00 -
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With many experts now predicting coolant pricing to exceed sixteen thousand isk per unit this weekend, fears continue to mount as shortages are felt across New Eden. There are now confirmed reports that several large investment fund managers have been accumulating large positions as it has become clear that production is dangerously low. An increasing number of private operations have reported shutting down in the wake of several devastating accidents which were the result of using a cheaper coolant alternative. In some regional markets, panic buying has been reported as some fear this is only the beginning of a crisis that may threaten our very way of life. Unconfirmed are some reports that coolant has been detected in a popular beverage and that one well known consumer advocacy group is preparing to unmask a sinister plot to realize inflated profits while endangering the general population's health. Government officials dismiss these reports, recent shortages and market woes insisting that we are experiencing the greatest period of economic expansion ever seen in New Eden.
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SencneS
Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2010.07.29 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: Allana Baselle With many experts now predicting coolant pricing to exceed sixteen thousand isk per unit this weekend....
16K a unit! Where is my inventory of Coolant... oh yeah in Jita..
I hope it gets to 16K That would be SWEET! I'm pushing out about 1,600 units a day in high-sec just a few jumps from Jita. I will not argue about 25mil a day :)
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.30 00:39:00 -
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Originally by: SencneS [ 16K a unit! Where is my inventory of Coolant...
No kidding. Glad I have a few years stockpiled. I can part with some at that price since I can make a years POS supply in a month with 1 planet in highsec.
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Patri Andari
Caldari Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
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Posted - 2010.07.30 01:35:00 -
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In an unrelated, although related report, some criminal elements are pulling more than 4000 units of coolant off the back of space trucks convoys per day along with various other PI items in bulk!
We now goto Sparky Hardrock with video: (parental discretion advised)
Guido: Back the **** off me pig!
PoPo: Where'd you get the coolant you scum?
Guido: Uh.. I found it!
PoPo: Where slime bag?
Guido: It..uh..fell in the space lanes off the back of a Space Truck!
PoPO: Like this?......
CENSORED
More at 11
Patri
I'll Roshambo You For That Titan! |
Miss AmarrPriceCheck
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Posted - 2010.07.30 15:03:00 -
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We could use a good weekend hype thread, keep this going.
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Wyke Mossari
Gallente Staner Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.30 15:29:00 -
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Electrolytes are also spiking off the back of this, which has a know on impact on other commodities.
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K'uata Sayus
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Posted - 2010.07.30 19:10:00 -
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(Undocks with industrial containing 4 Advanced Barren Planet Command Centers, sets up each with 20 Advanced Processors and a launchpad, heads to market hub and.....)
Coolant, eh? Uh, anyone know where I can get some water and electrolytes on the cheap?
EVERYONE SEEMS NORMAL UNTIL YOU GET TO KNOW THEM. |
Sykarah
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Posted - 2010.07.31 03:59:00 -
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Quote: Coolant, eh? Uh, anyone know where I can get some water and electrolytes on the cheap?
Definitely not on a Barren Planet I can tell you that much. Maybe you should grab some storm command centers instead.
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XXSketchxx
Gallente Remote Soviet Industries Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2010.07.31 06:03:00 -
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Originally by: Sykarah
Quote: Coolant, eh? Uh, anyone know where I can get some water and electrolytes on the cheap?
Definitely not on a Barren Planet I can tell you that much. Maybe you should grab some storm command centers instead.
someone doesn't quite get it
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Droxlyn
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.07.31 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: K'uata Sayus (Undocks with industrial containing 4 Advanced Barren Planet Command Centers, sets up each with 20 Advanced Processors and a launchpad, heads to market hub and.....)
Coolant, eh? Uh, anyone know where I can get some water and electrolytes on the cheap?
20 Advanced processors and 1 launchpad?
You have two problems. You can get at least 21 Advanced Processors on a planet and one launch pad will get emptied way too fast. You can do 21 and 2 and even still have room for one more High-Tech processor.
Just try to make sure your planets aren't over 5000km in size.
Drox
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Ender2006
APOCALYPSE LEGION
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Posted - 2010.07.31 20:46:00 -
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increase was going well until someone dumped 7b worth of coolant on market at 13k in Jita. that kinda set a hard ceiling for quite some time....
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Kashre
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2010.07.31 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Droxlyn
Originally by: K'uata Sayus (Undocks with industrial containing 4 Advanced Barren Planet Command Centers, sets up each with 20 Advanced Processors and a launchpad, heads to market hub and.....)
Coolant, eh? Uh, anyone know where I can get some water and electrolytes on the cheap?
20 Advanced processors and 1 launchpad?
You have two problems. You can get at least 21 Advanced Processors on a planet and one launch pad will get emptied way too fast. You can do 21 and 2 and even still have room for one more High-Tech processor.
Just try to make sure your planets aren't over 5000km in size.
Drox
I think his real problem is that all the "cheap" electrolytes were gone a long time ago... importing the P1s for this isn't nearly as lucrative as it was a week ago. +++ "Etiquette is for the Dojo. In war there is only victory or death." - Eiji Yoshikawa |
Allana Baselle
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Posted - 2010.07.31 23:47:00 -
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After a courageous attempt by one trader, who placed a sell order of coolant worth in excess of seven billion isk, prices once again climb as demand continues to overpower supply. Attacks on peaceful convoys are now becoming rampant as desperation increases across New Eden. We now have unconfirmed reports that certain mercenary elements are actively targeting operations attempting to increase coolant production. Numerous cargo ships filled with coolant have been destroyed and their cargo gone missing while attempting to leave orbital installations. Further, there are rumors that armed planetary teams are being assembled to disrupt surface operations. As tensions increase and profits soar, we can only hope that this crisis does not worsen.
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IceFyre S18
Zulu Labs Zulu People
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Posted - 2010.08.01 03:32:00 -
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It seems Mechanical Parts are next, since stockpiles there are almost gone.
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mental maverick
Duty. Duty. Private Security
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Posted - 2010.08.01 04:13:00 -
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Originally by: Allana Baselle After a courageous attempt by one trader, who placed a sell order of coolant worth in excess of seven billion isk, prices once again climb as demand continues to overpower supply. Attacks on peaceful convoys are now becoming rampant as desperation increases across New Eden. We now have unconfirmed reports that certain mercenary elements are actively targeting operations attempting to increase coolant production. Numerous cargo ships filled with coolant have been destroyed and their cargo gone missing while attempting to leave orbital installations. Further, there are rumors that armed planetary teams are being assembled to disrupt surface operations. As tensions increase and profits soar, we can only hope that this crisis does not worsen.
Wtf is up with the RP post? Intergalactic summit or wtf its called is that way -------->
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Ender2006
APOCALYPSE LEGION
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Posted - 2010.08.01 04:13:00 -
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Edited by: Ender2006 on 01/08/2010 04:13:48
Originally by: Ender2006 increase was going well until someone dumped 7b worth of coolant on market at 13k in Jita. that kinda set a hard ceiling for quite some time....
Holy crap. my "quite some time" turned into about 6 hours... looks like my small stockpile will get to make some gains sooner than expected :)
PS love the update style Allana
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Yura Ghost
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Posted - 2010.08.01 05:00:00 -
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Blue Horseshoe loves Coolant!
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Patri Andari
Caldari Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
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Posted - 2010.08.01 09:15:00 -
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Originally by: mental maverick
Wtf is up with the RP post? Intergalactic summit or wtf its called is that way -------->
Shush you! I am enjoying this!
Patri
I'll Roshambo You For That Titan! |
Miss AmarrPriceCheck
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Posted - 2010.08.02 16:25:00 -
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Planetary Interaction: Coolant Online.
Nothing else is worth making.
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Allana Baselle
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Posted - 2010.08.04 02:50:00 -
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Despite rumors of new technological breakthroughs in manufacturing on the horizon, coolant demand continues to overwhelm supply. At a current price of fifteen thousand isk per unit and with stockpiles continuing to decrease, it seems that an economic meltdown is still likely. Government officials point to recent shortages in coolant as well as some moon mining materials as a sign that New Eden's economy is starting to turn around. Interestingly, these officials declined to comment on the increasing number of pilots who have decided to call it quits due to the governments broken economic policy as well as their inability to respond to the severe spatial distortions that have been plaguing pilots.
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pmchem
Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.08.04 04:34:00 -
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Amusing thread, and valuable fuel. For long-term buy+hold activity I prefer something desperately underpriced, such as consumer electronics or guidance systems. They've both seen some stockpilers unload recently, tanking their prices, and are back in the "buy" range. For everyday market liquidity, buying a POS fuel is hard to beat.
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Wyke Mossari
Gallente Staner Industries
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Posted - 2010.08.04 07:43:00 -
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This coolant shortage is biting hard into Electrolytes reserves which are also showing significant supply constrained price rises. It is only a matter of time before this impacts other items manufactured from Electrolytes such as Rocket Fuel and Synthetic Oil and their downstream produce. This can only compound previous concerns expressed about Rocket Fuel supplies in particular.
I've found planet bound workforces require considerable micro management to maintain efficiency. It is not that they are incapable of hard work, they can be ordered to work at the absolute maximum efficiency of the equipment provided. They just seem completely incapable of demonstrating any degree of initiative when I find myself occupied by more pressing matters. The bureaucratic excess of traditional corporations appear to have crushed any dynamism from planet side workforces. I see little sign of this changing soon.
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IceFyre S18
Zulu Labs Zulu People
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Posted - 2010.08.04 15:43:00 -
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And again, Mechanical Parts stockpiles no more, shortage and rising started today.
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VURDAH
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Posted - 2010.08.04 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: IceFyre S18
stockpiles no more
This is not THE TRUE.
Originally by: IceFyre S18
rising started today
O RLY? This can be THE TRUE
Originally by: IceFyre S18
shortage ... started today
maybe for a week
if someone wants Coolant, is 'cheap' in Amarr >270 000 units @15000 isk and Stackmon >260 000 units @ 15000 isk , not mine. no more Coolant in other empire space [> 60 000 units at <20 000 isk price.]
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IceFyre S18
Zulu Labs Zulu People
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Posted - 2010.08.04 16:57:00 -
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25% pure profit in Mech Parts in one day, dude, check the Jita market.
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Bosswoman
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Posted - 2010.08.04 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: VURDAH
Originally by: IceFyre S18
stockpiles no more
This is not THE TRUE.
Originally by: IceFyre S18
rising started today
O RLY? This can be THE TRUE
Originally by: IceFyre S18
shortage ... started today
maybe for a week
if someone wants Coolant, is 'cheap' in Amarr >270 000 units @15000 isk and Stackmon >260 000 units @ 15000 isk , not mine. no more Coolant in other empire space [> 60 000 units at <20 000 isk price.]
He was talking about mechanical parts you illiterate moron.
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VURDAH
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Posted - 2010.08.04 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: IceFyre S18 25% pure profit in Mech Parts in one day, dude, check the Jita market.
Better buyout Enriched Uranium.
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Bosswoman
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Posted - 2010.08.04 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: VURDAH Edited by: VURDAH on 04/08/2010 17:44:24
Originally by: IceFyre S18 25% pure profit in Mech Parts in one day, dude, check the Jita market.
Better buyout Enriched Uranium.
Originally by: Bosswoman
He was talking about mechanical parts you illiterate moron.
Don't care about that. This topic is about coolant anyway. Well, **cc off.
You're talking about nothing interesting.
I can tell, i've got 3.3 Millions of Coolant, and this is interesting for other players in this topic.
So, you know you weren't even making a coherent reply to the post you quoted and you did anyway? I'm amazed you were mentally able to buy coolant at all.
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Ender2006
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.08.05 01:59:00 -
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Edited by: Ender2006 on 05/08/2010 01:59:42 I encouraged coolant along its upward climb this evening by buying up all remaining inventory in the 15-16k mark and pushing it to the new value of 18.5k/unit. Looks like someone did the same the consumer electronics which went up almost 80% instantly.
Most impressive part of this spike is it is on reduced demand compared to previous weeks. Now someone go grab the 250 or 350k units of it in low sec (visible from altrinur) thats seeded at 14k and re-list for nice profit. Send me a few iskies for the tip :-P
Robotics will soon follow and should hit my 40k isk prediction before another month or so.
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VURDAH
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Posted - 2010.08.05 02:04:00 -
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My prediction:
water price will goes up today more than 300% in this week and production of coolant will stuck in this week HAHA
BTW I bought all water in jita < 875 isk/unit [not much - for 2 Billions isk]
AND... someone bought 500 000 units of coolant in jita for ~15888 isk /unit
and he's selling now 125 000 units for 18499
but he will not sell that, because i'm here now online [joke or not .hmm.]
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Ender2006
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.08.05 02:36:00 -
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Edited by: Ender2006 on 05/08/2010 02:45:59 haha yes. the 125k relist, after buying 500k units is me, it about doubled my position. let the isk war begin mate :-P
Ps decided to follow your lead. re-listed at 20k - will keep it there if you do :) assume we control a sizable chunk of inventory and prolly are still below build cost. need to run that to see as I may be way off :-P
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Patri Andari
Caldari Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
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Posted - 2010.08.05 02:50:00 -
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I hope all you who bought coolant at these raising prices need it for production/POS fuel and not as an investment per se?
I mean, of course you do know it drops heavily from Minmatar convoys, right?
Not saying I have a tower I keep fueled mostly from convoy drops.
I'm just sayin'... you know...in general.
Patri
I'll Roshambo You For That Titan! |
VURDAH
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Posted - 2010.08.05 03:22:00 -
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Originally by: Ender2006 Edited by: Ender2006 on 05/08/2010 02:45:59 Ps decided to follow your lead. re-listed at 20k - will keep it there if you do :) assume we control a sizable chunk of inventory and prolly are still below build cost. need to run that to see as I may be way off :-P
After i sell 100k-250k units [i've got no money], I will place my buy orders at >85% price of sell orders Well I will be know, how much producers are produce for sell. And I will keep my actual orders [250k Coolant] at ~20k isk for next 10 hours Now i go to sleep.
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2010.08.05 05:08:00 -
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Yeah, some funny guys in Amarr bought up all the coolant and are re-listing it at 32k, electrolytes at 1.5k and water at 600-700.
CCP forgot to tweak the POS fuel requirements (coolant requires 2x more than EU or mech parts) and Coolant is kind of a pain to create and it looks like supply is not matching demand. I'm pretty sure Coolant is the best thing to create atm from PI. How long until CCP changes Coolant to 4 or 5 units/hr on POS? Will people flock to storm planets? Will we get more RP posts about Coolant? Will Akita T make a massive post? Stay tuned! - It's not "Play through a pre-set story, become stronger, do endgame". Gameplay is open ended, and you make your own story. Unless you're too afraid of 'pvp grief' to do anything relevant |
Ender2006
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.08.05 11:21:00 -
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I'll be changing up my planets to produce coolant tonight as I'm sure many others already have. Eventually supply will exceed demand and the prices will begin to stabilize. Until then my 125k units last night sold easily at 20k and I've re-listed another batch at 35k in jita.
As many planets convert to coolant producers shortages will begin to appear in other sectors. So make sure you've got some of everything stocked :)
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King Gore
The Church of Sentcha
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Posted - 2010.08.05 12:32:00 -
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RAWR! Buy my coolant! I stand to make 200m off this little ordeal. I got in 'low' at about 13.8-15k. I literally picked up trading two days ago. It. is. fun. -
Originally by: Verone Happy Ishtar is extremely happy
Originally by: Kahn Souphanousinphone I thought I was going to live next to a powerful man, now I just live next to power.
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battlefar galactica
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Posted - 2010.08.05 14:26:00 -
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Coolant is unreal right now. I purchased my coolant at least 4-5 days ago for 5,000 isk per unit and i bought 5,000 units (as an inveastment) i have no pos i intend to sell it when it gets even higher. hopefully i'll make 200 mil+ in profit and no i dont think ccp will step in to alter coolants prices.
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VURDAH
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Posted - 2010.08.05 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Vaal Erit Yeah, some funny guys in Amarr bought up all the coolant and are re-listing it at 32k
CRAZY M****RF***ER-S !!! some 'funny' guy in Jita: http://i33.tinypic.com/2lsehzp.jpg
I've got 3 Millons of Coolant and i want to sell that in max 3 days for ~25k+ [75 Billions isk] creating many little offers: 100k units @ 25k+ isk
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surf vaquero
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Posted - 2010.08.05 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: VURDAH
Originally by: Vaal Erit Yeah, some funny guys in Amarr bought up all the coolant and are re-listing it at 32k
CRAZY M****RF***ER-S !!! some 'funny' guy in Jita: http://i33.tinypic.com/2lsehzp.jpg
I've got 3 Millons of Coolant and i want to sell that in max 3 days for ~25k+ [75 Billions isk] creating many little offers: 100k units @ 25k+ isk
Hope you can sell it, the price is already starting to crash, buy orders have dropped 3k from last night.
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battlefar galactica
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Posted - 2010.08.05 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: Allana Baselle Despite rumors of new technological breakthroughs in manufacturing on the horizon, coolant demand continues to overwhelm supply. At a current price of fifteen thousand isk per unit and with stockpiles continuing to decrease, it seems that an economic meltdown is still likely. Government officials point to recent shortages in coolant as well as some moon mining materials as a sign that New Eden's economy is starting to turn around. Interestingly, these officials declined to comment on the increasing number of pilots who have decided to call it quits due to the governments broken economic policy as well as their inability to respond to the severe spatial distortions that have been plaguing pilots.
back to you ollie for the weather. "ITS RAINING SIDE-WAYS!!" thanks ollie.
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VURDAH
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Posted - 2010.08.05 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: surf vaquero
the price is already starting to crash.
don't panic anyone ! I've got only 3 Millions Coolant
real demand is >800k Coolant per day and production for sell is max 200k per day
I selling because i want to invest my money in something else.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.08.05 16:17:00 -
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Since the hoarded supplies of a highly used P2 seems to be reaching the point where only the patient stockpilers remain, will we be seeing people shift their production to those high-value goods resulting in increased prices of others?
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surf vaquero
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Posted - 2010.08.05 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: VURDAH
Originally by: surf vaquero
the price is already starting to crash.
don't panic anyone ! I've got only 3 Millions Coolant
real demand is >800k Coolant per day and production for sell is max 200k per day
I selling because i want to invest my money in something else.
Demand is easily past 3m a day, but the price is still going to crash as supply increases, what with everyone switching to it now. 200k a day? If 1000 people start making coolant, they only have to make 200 each per day (which is easy with a good setup) to surpass that, approx. the amount needed just by the POSes was being traded per day a week ago; it's gone up noticeably, at least 400k, within the last few days; I highly suggest anyone looking to cash out do it now or you will start to lose money.
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Allana Baselle
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Posted - 2010.08.05 16:50:00 -
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Chaos ensues as coolant prices reach all time highs. With coolant selling for twenty four thousand isk per unit in Jita, many who stood on the sidelines and declared this a temporary increase that would soon be met with greater supply now desperately buy up any supplies they can procure. Desperate appeals have been made to government officials that restrictions on reprocessing be lifted and that advanced reprocessing techniques be approved to help increase coolant supply. Unfortunately, these appeals seem to be falling on deaf ears as the government seems largely absent and non responsive in the wake of this economic upheaval. It has been rumored that many fund managers now plan additional speculation bubbles as they exploit manufacturing capacity issues as well as a lack of advanced reprocessing methods which could allow some relief. Taking a queue from the government's recent inaction, more speculators are expected to push prices higher even as our economic system stands at the very edge of the abyss.
Also, in response to the large volume of inquires, we have no confirmed reports of space vampires. Come on people! There are no such things in New Eden. The recent conspiracy theories that have surfaced which assert that they have infiltrated our government and redirected valuable resources are just absurd.
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Janelle Arsai
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Posted - 2010.08.05 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: Vaal Erit
CCP forgot to tweak the POS fuel requirements (coolant requires 2x more than EU or mech parts)
Not true when you factor in Robotics needing Mech Parts.
While coolant is 8 per hour for a large, Mech is 8.3 per hour when Robotics is factored in. Even worse when you account for Medium and Small pos's where its always 1 robotics per hour.
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Kalanar
Wrecking Shots -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2010.08.05 17:56:00 -
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Expect the prices of things like Rocket Fuel and Consumer Electronics (as well as robotics and guidance systems and the like) to also shoot up in price. Because of the current price of electroyltes, from Jita buy prices, Rocket Fuel should be worth over 8k per unit, yet its sitting at about 4k.
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VURDAH
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Posted - 2010.08.05 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: surf vaquero "200k a day?" "If 1000 people start making coolant" "at least 400k, within the last few days"
first look at production of electrolytes on the market: and ALL other Processed Materials. ... isn't high You can make 100k coolant only if you have 800k Electrolytes and 800k Water [ofc from planets in low, null security sytems]
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surf vaquero
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Posted - 2010.08.05 18:02:00 -
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Edited by: surf vaquero on 05/08/2010 18:06:12
Originally by: VURDAH
Originally by: surf vaquero "200k a day?" "If 1000 people start making coolant" "at least 400k, within the last few days"
first look at production of electrolytes on the market: and ALL other Processed Materials. ... isn't high You can make 100k coolant only if you have 800k Electrolytes and 800k Water [ofc from planets in low, null security sytems]
The volume of Electrolytes and Water has little to nothing to do with coolant supply; Anyone who buys off the market is either lazy or a fool, it's much more cost-effective to produce it yourself. You can't even begin to speculate on the supply of coolant by basing it off of the P1 components.
edit: having reread your post, you *do* know that I'm saying that your estimates were low and that demand is extremely high, and as a result more people are producing it, causing the market to crash due to a much higher supply (this being true because the market already meets and on weekends exceeds demand)?
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Enilno Onyc
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Posted - 2010.08.05 18:05:00 -
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All the Electrolytes are gone from Jita and some other major trade hubs. Is EVE coming to an end?
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Kalanar
Wrecking Shots -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2010.08.05 18:05:00 -
[65]
I disagree, as people who sell Electrolytes and Water will simply begin producing coolant if coolant prices far exceed the component prices.
Same applies to something like rocket fuel: if people who make rocket fuel realize they can sell the electrolytes and make more money than for the rocket fuel (which at current Jita buy orders, they CAN, they why wouldn't they just stop producing rocket fuel).
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surf vaquero
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Posted - 2010.08.05 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Kalanar Edited by: Kalanar on 05/08/2010 18:09:54 I disagree, as people who sell Electrolytes and Water will simply begin producing coolant if coolant prices far exceed the component prices.
Same applies to something like rocket fuel: if people who make rocket fuel realize they can sell the electrolytes and make more money than for the rocket fuel (which at current Jita buy orders, they CAN, they why wouldn't they just stop producing rocket fuel).
EDIT: Anyone want to screw one person? SavageMoFo is holding all of the selling Electrolytes in Jita.
Assuming you're disagreeing with me, you're assuming they realize or have the PI capacity to produce coolant instead; either way, the volume on the market isn't related to the volume of coolant.
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Kalanar
Wrecking Shots -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2010.08.05 18:17:00 -
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Obviously I understand that relation. I'm not entirely disagreeing with you, but I believe that the gap is so large that based on opportunity cost, a producer would develop the capacity (by buying the necessary materials) to begin producing coolant. The economic incentive exists, although I do agree with you about the volume issue.
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VURDAH
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Posted - 2010.08.05 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: surf vaquero
Anyone who buys off the market is either lazy or a fool.
I'm lazy too.
If they aren't, they are cooking by the book. And you do too oFC. "You know you cant be lazy." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQp5l4-sfFA
Sorry, but I don't have time to translate myself, in order to be able to long term chat with you in this English language. So i will be not talking too much.
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surf vaquero
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Posted - 2010.08.05 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: VURDAH
Originally by: surf vaquero
Anyone who buys off the market is either lazy or a fool.
I'm lazy too.
If they aren't, they are cooking by the book. And you do too oFC. "You know you cant be lazy." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQp5l4-sfFA
Sorry, but I don't have time to translate myself, in order to be able to long term chat with you in this English language. So i will be not talking too much.
I didn't mean buying coolant, I meant buying water and electrolytes to make coolant; it's cheaper and almost easier logistically to produce both yourself and combine them to make coolant.
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VURDAH
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Posted - 2010.08.05 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: surf vaquero
..buying water and electrolytes to make coolant; it's cheaper and almost easier logistically to produce both yourself and combine them to make coolant.
Yes, but only if you have all, in low-null security systems. [You need much quantites P1 ...from low sec systems.] And this isn't simple for all who wants produce Coolant. ...
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Droxlyn
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.08.05 19:21:00 -
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If you don't want to muck around extracting stuff yourself, and the market supports it: Build yourself one of these on some convenient planet with a radius of 5k or less with 21 Advanced processors (and an optional High-tech processor) and let her rip. It'll let you make 2520 units of coolant per day from 20,160 units of each water and electrolyte.
Perfectly safe because your factory can be in High-sec.
Good luck! Drox
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battlefar galactica
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Posted - 2010.08.05 19:27:00 -
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thats why the prices of coolant are going up in the first place- i dont do pi but those that do are filling the fourms everyday with rage about the amount of clicking required. Though i do see both sides of the argument- (1)build coolant yourself (a complete bore and tedious) (2)buy the coolant- but that is skyrocketing because of number 1
those that enjoy clicking thier mice will obviously sit like robots making coolant- those that dont will move onto something else- the main reason for the spike of coolant
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Wyke Mossari
Gallente Staner Industries
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Posted - 2010.08.05 19:50:00 -
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Edited by: Wyke Mossari on 05/08/2010 19:50:34 An the market makers in the middle profit greatly.
I made around 600 Million on electrolytes over the last day or so.
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heheheh
PedoHamma
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Posted - 2010.08.05 20:45:00 -
[74]
Market manipulation at its finest is going down. Be very aware of changing your pruduce on a whim.
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Grozen
Caldari Titan Core
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Posted - 2010.08.05 21:27:00 -
[75]
Edited by: Grozen on 05/08/2010 21:33:39 all i see is ppl bying and reselling not much speculation...
Also quick calculation: water40x600=24k electrolytes40xaprox 2k each=80k 80+24=124k p/u hax or wut knowledge is power |
Riley Moore
Sentinum Research
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Posted - 2010.08.05 21:41:00 -
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Edited by: Riley Moore on 05/08/2010 21:41:18
Originally by: Grozen Edited by: Grozen on 05/08/2010 21:33:39 all i see is ppl bying and reselling not much speculation...
Also quick calculation: water40x600=24k electrolytes40xaprox 2k each=80k 80+24=124k p/u hax or wut
U forgot to devide by 5 (124k/5 = 24,800 pu) :P
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Ender2006
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.08.05 22:23:00 -
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Edited by: Ender2006 on 05/08/2010 22:22:51 haha yes vurduh. I'm home from work. :-P My turn to sell coolant now!
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2010.08.05 23:10:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Janelle Arsai
Originally by: Vaal Erit
CCP forgot to tweak the POS fuel requirements (coolant requires 2x more than EU or mech parts)
Not true when you factor in Robotics needing Mech Parts.
While coolant is 8 per hour for a large, Mech is 8.3 per hour when Robotics is factored in. Even worse when you account for Medium and Small pos's where its always 1 robotics per hour.
True. Tbh I don't know how to add in the factor that mech parts are used for robotics. I figure if people make robotics from PI even though they are making mech parts, it is being consumed and not being thrown on the market. However, if someone just makes mech parts and sells them then it will take a lot less people to satisfy the demand of mech parts because of the 5/hr fuel requirement instead of 8/hr of coolant.
I've seen people buy up mech parts and I don't think it has the legs that coolant does, mech parts is a ton easier to create in hi-sec and as I've stated if people go for full mech parts production it will be easier to meet the demand. Mech parts at 5k seemed underpriced to me but I don't think I'd value it as high as coolant. - It's not "Play through a pre-set story, become stronger, do endgame". Gameplay is open ended, and you make your own story. Unless you're too afraid of 'pvp grief' to do anything relevant |
Veni Ra
Amarr Brotherhood Of Cash
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Posted - 2010.08.05 23:29:00 -
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well i came up to Jita last night to take part in the great coolant rush. It was fun. Just killed off the last of the 19k p/u buy orders with a lil help from other ppl and the highest buy right now is 17k p/u with change.
Now i am waiting for the price to crash, than buy up more coolant and let the cycle begin again.
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MMarlon
SRBI Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.08.05 23:35:00 -
[80]
Yes, nice milking. However, about Coolant-Mech parts comparison, there is not a single solid argument to justify 17k/pu Coolant vs 5k/pu Mech Parts. Either Coolant is pumped hard up or Mech Parts very underpriced; giving overall POS consumption goes to the Mech Parts favor. Ya, Coolant will dump, Mech Parts hold, imo, for my stock.
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surf vaquero
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Posted - 2010.08.05 23:40:00 -
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Originally by: MMarlon Yes, nice milking. However, about Coolant-Mech parts comparison, there is not a single solid argument to justify 17k/pu Coolant vs 5k/pu Mech Parts. Either Coolant is pumped hard up or Mech Parts very underpriced; giving overall POS consumption goes to the Mech Parts favor. Ya, Coolant will dump, Mech Parts hold, imo, for my stock.
Both are true and are being reflected right now; mech parts are high in every place except for Jita right now (currently like 30k in Rens or something insane like that), this is a time to start buying. Coolant is crashing, already down 10k today from last night (which means that VURDAH is out like 30 billion isk if he held onto his stock) and I expect it to continue to crash before stabilizing between 5 and 10k. Mech parts are a buy, buy, buy situation though, which will be reflecting on robotics: anything below 12k or so on mech parts is a good buy, anything below 27k on robotics is a superb buy. Don't panic sell over the weekend, either, but next thursday expect mech parts at 20k in Jita and Robotics touching 35-40.
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Janelle Arsai
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Posted - 2010.08.05 23:52:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Vaal Erit
Originally by: Janelle Arsai
Originally by: Vaal Erit
CCP forgot to tweak the POS fuel requirements (coolant requires 2x more than EU or mech parts)
Not true when you factor in Robotics needing Mech Parts.
While coolant is 8 per hour for a large, Mech is 8.3 per hour when Robotics is factored in. Even worse when you account for Medium and Small pos's where its always 1 robotics per hour.
True. Tbh I don't know how to add in the factor that mech parts are used for robotics. I figure if people make robotics from PI even though they are making mech parts, it is being consumed and not being thrown on the market. However, if someone just makes mech parts and sells them then it will take a lot less people to satisfy the demand of mech parts because of the 5/hr fuel requirement instead of 8/hr of coolant.
I've seen people buy up mech parts and I don't think it has the legs that coolant does, mech parts is a ton easier to create in hi-sec and as I've stated if people go for full mech parts production it will be easier to meet the demand. Mech parts at 5k seemed underpriced to me but I don't think I'd value it as high as coolant.
True on the production amounts, but that is why usage matters so much. Like so
Coolant -> Pos Fuel Coolant -> Condensates (pi only use) Coolant -> Supercomputers (pi only use) vs Mech Parts -> Pos Fuel Mech Parts -> Robotics which is also a POS fuel Mech Parts -> T2 Mods (damage mods and strips etc) Mech Parts -> Vehicles (pi only use)
So not only is it used twice over as a fuel, its also in some T2 mods. So we would need that easier production, and even then, no one is going to make it until coolant crashes, and enriched uran, and super tensiles, polys all things more profitable right now than Mech.
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PinkFish
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Posted - 2010.08.06 02:52:00 -
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MD is being so easily manipulated by obvious threads. This community used to be much more cautious about listening to the drivel that comes up on individual products like this.
OP posts there is not enough supply. Price spike from dozens of traders.
New thread about changes on sisi increasing supply. Panic sell crash from dozens of traders.
So, is the second thread an attempt to position the market for another round of buy-up? Or is it an attempt to screw over the first thread crowd?
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Veni Ra
Amarr Brotherhood Of Cash
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Posted - 2010.08.06 03:32:00 -
[84]
Originally by: PinkFish
So, is the second thread an attempt to position the market for another round of buy-up? Or is it an attempt to screw over the first thread crowd?
I definitely hope that coolant will continue to be manipulated, I have made nothing but profit from it. Im a small time trader and i made almost 1B on it since Tyrannis lunch.
What should fallow next is a great oversupply, even a further price crash, ppl switching planets to different materials.... buy out and another price spike. Ill give it a month.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.08.06 06:45:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Veni Ra I definitely hope that coolant will continue to be manipulated, I have made nothing but profit from it. Im a small time trader and i made almost 1B on it since Tyrannis lunch.
Yeah, rather than dismiss it as manipulation, look at those threads as signals to the collective on which way to move for great profit.
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Janelle Arsai
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Posted - 2010.08.06 14:44:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Originally by: Veni Ra I definitely hope that coolant will continue to be manipulated, I have made nothing but profit from it. Im a small time trader and i made almost 1B on it since Tyrannis lunch.
Yeah, rather than dismiss it as manipulation, look at those threads as signals to the collective on which way to move for great profit.
Yes, MD threads like these are at least a way to gauge the "hive mind" if you will. I think everyone expects coolant to crash hard once enough people have switched over, the question then is, what is next up. There is lots of profit to be made from the time delay between market and production.
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VURDAH
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Posted - 2010.08.06 14:44:00 -
[87]
I will raise Coolant buying orders in Jita to 20k today! for the next 5+ days.
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Allana Baselle
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Posted - 2010.08.06 17:48:00 -
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Update: Recent coolant price increases seem to be spilling over into other commodities and products as we start to see price increases in Condensates and Organic Mortar Applicators. With all the recent pricing pressure many expect POS construction costs to rise in addition to the already inflated prices for fuel. Despite continued doubt about coolant's ability to stay above twenty thousand isk per unit, operations desperate to remain in business continue to pay these absorbent prices.
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EvilCheez
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Posted - 2010.08.06 18:31:00 -
[89]
exorbitant - think your spell check may have betrayed you there.
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Berikath
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Posted - 2010.08.06 18:50:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Allana Baselle There are reports of regional shortages as speculators buy up remaining reserves. Coolant has performed well during the recent downturn in the PI sector and has seen more than a 60% increase over the last 5 trading days in Jita. Certain market professionals predict even higher prices as production has fallen and demand has remained consistent. Other investors believe the increase is only temporary since production will surely increase in the near future and since more independent moon operations have decided to go off-line as rising fuel prices has made an increasing number of moon materials unprofitable to mine.
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On a personal note, I've just gotta say.......
You suck. Now my electrolyte costs for eventual P4 production are through the roof. Ah want mah ISK fountain back!
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.08.06 19:01:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Berikath On a personal note, I've just gotta say.......
You suck. Now my electrolyte costs for eventual P4 production are through the roof. Ah want mah ISK fountain back!
That's what you get for not stocking up while they were cheap.
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Berikath
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Posted - 2010.08.06 19:32:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Originally by: Berikath On a personal note, I've just gotta say.......
You suck. Now my electrolyte costs for eventual P4 production are through the roof. Ah want mah ISK fountain back!
That's what you get for not stocking up while they were cheap.
I was a broke mission runner until Tyrranus.
I'm only just about up to paying off my debts, didn't have the capital for more than a day or two's stock :(.
Given, paying off 1.5 bil in BPOs in a few weeks isn't exactly.... something to complain about. But still- I want to make mah moniez!
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VURDAH
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Posted - 2010.08.06 23:54:00 -
[93]
Too many players sellouting coolant at 19k all day and production is high ^^ and i don't now nothing about other players stockpiles and i have no much time for playing and no isk I will sellout my coolant [3 Millions] at minimum 10k price - 30 Billions for 2-4 days if prices will be below 17k [more than 1000k units in jita] This is still good price for me.
If Coolant can really CRASH [price below 15k at 3 days], all other materials: Enriched Uranium and Mechanical Parts will crash too in this month. Because in Our Imperium of EVE, can be a lots of producers of PI.
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Cheque Please
Hot Like Mexico
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Posted - 2010.08.07 00:18:00 -
[94]
Edited by: Cheque Please on 07/08/2010 00:20:00
Originally by: VURDAH
If Coolant can really CRASH [price below 15k at 3 days], all other materials: Enriched Uranium and Mechanical Parts will crash too in this month. Because in Our Imperium of EVE, can be a lots of producers of PI.
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No they won't. Coolant just got so high that it became vastly more profitable than all other p2 stuff and thus it is bound to crash.
Mechanical Parts is a fuel just like coolant, yet still a great loss if you were to produce it (Jita prices). --- WORMHOLE SERVICE RL Meeting w/ Chribba
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Berikath
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Posted - 2010.08.07 00:23:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Cheque Please
Originally by: VURDAH
If Coolant can really CRASH [price below 15k at 3 days], all other materials: Enriched Uranium and Mechanical Parts will crash too in this month. Because in Our Imperium of EVE, can be a lots of producers of PI.
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No they won't. Coolant just got so high that it became vastly more profitable than all other p2 stuff and thus it is bound to crash.
Mechanical Parts is a fuel just like coolant, yet still a great loss if you were to produce it.
o.0
By my most recent calculations (admittedly, a couple days out of date), buying P1s at jita moving price and selling mech parts at jita moving price yielded a slight profit (in the neighborhood of 2%).
Now, that isn't exactly stellar profitability..... in fact, it's pretty "meh" at best, IMHO. However, I certainly wouldn't call it a "great loss", and it's not bad enough to cause an immediate, mass exodus from the production of the parts.
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Carl Stewart
Blueprints For You
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Posted - 2010.08.07 01:05:00 -
[96]
Originally by: VURDAH ...
If Coolant can really CRASH [price below 15k at 3 days], all other materials: Enriched Uranium and Mechanical Parts will crash too in this month. Because in Our Imperium of EVE, can be a lots of producers of PI.
Lot of producers indeed. However, quite a few of them are now rebuilding their stuff to get on the electrolytes wagon. So who is producing all that Enriched Uranium and Mechanical Parts that will be needed over the weekend and week to come? Researched Blueprints for you, Ammo, Fighters, Drones and Ships |
Berikath
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Posted - 2010.08.07 01:14:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Carl Stewart
Originally by: VURDAH ...
If Coolant can really CRASH [price below 15k at 3 days], all other materials: Enriched Uranium and Mechanical Parts will crash too in this month. Because in Our Imperium of EVE, can be a lots of producers of PI.
Lot of producers indeed. However, quite a few of them are now rebuilding their stuff to get on the electrolytes wagon. So who is producing all that Enriched Uranium and Mechanical Parts that will be needed over the weekend and week to come?
0.o
The people who already rebuilt their stuff 2 or 3 times, and realized that they still make some money as is and they have other things they'd prefer to do with their time?
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surf vaquero
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Posted - 2010.08.07 01:19:00 -
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Originally by: VURDAH
If Coolant can really CRASH [price below 15k at 3 days], all other materials: Enriched Uranium and Mechanical Parts will crash too in this month. Because in Our Imperium of EVE, can be a lots of producers of PI.
Prices always crash on the weekends, if you panic sell you deserve to lose money. Aside from that, the others that you listed will only crash if something causes it, which currently isn't likely, so please stop spewing ****.
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Thawed Corpse
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Posted - 2010.08.07 01:32:00 -
[99]
Don't everyone hit the door at once!
It is precisely these kinds of fluctuations of the market that make market movers giddy.
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VURDAH
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Posted - 2010.08.07 03:17:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Thawed Corpse Don't everyone hit the door at once!
It is precisely these kinds of fluctuations of the market that make market movers giddy.
yeah.,
but i don't have time for that [for waiting and playing] omg and i'm mad for producers and 'little' speculators
Originally by: surf vaquero if you panic sell you deserve to lose money.
I don't panic, I first time buyout all my coolant for ~5k I can sellout now all coolant for 14k+ and buyout Mechanical Parts for 7k anyone can do that and i will do that if price of coolant will don't stablilize at 20k+ for 2-4 days [after monday]
Originally by: surf vaquero ...which currently isn't likely.
Do you now that only ~1200 players with 5 low sec planets can produce ALL demand of 4 Millions P2 POS FUEL [~3333 units P2 per player - P1+P2 production] [1.5M Coolant 1.5M Mechanical 0.75M Enriched Uranium]
I can produce myself in region Placid low sec with my 4 alts ~16665 P2 every day
all prices of P1 are going down to ~220-300isk, only water electrolytes and industrial fibers are going up
if i will produce only P1 5 planets, 12k units every day per planet Well 60000 units per character *250isk/unit =15 Millions Profit every day. for electrolytes 60 Millions every day 1000isk/unit
this is too good profit for producers Well "in Our Imperium of EVE, can be a lots of producers of PI." remember only ~1200 players can produce ALL demand of 4 Millions P2 POS FUEL.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.08.07 03:55:00 -
[101]
Originally by: VURDAH remember only ~1200 players can produce ALL demand of 4 Millions P2 POS FUEL.
I'm sure you'll have no problem finding 3-4000 people willing to check up on 6 planets stuffed with extractors every day they log on. It's such a rewarding experience that people will flock to it.
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VURDAH
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Posted - 2010.08.07 05:17:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
I'm sure you'll have no problem finding 3-4000 people willing to check up on 6 planets stuffed with extractors every day they log on.
The Chinese people will do that, , with macroscripts immediately. http://i38.tinypic.com/ilm8gm.jpg and after, they will make illegal, real money Ñ from Billions of isk. Chinese are everywhere , you know that.
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surf vaquero
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Posted - 2010.08.07 05:27:00 -
[103]
Edited by: surf vaquero on 07/08/2010 05:28:46 Edited by: surf vaquero on 07/08/2010 05:27:08
Originally by: VURDAH
I can produce myself in region Placid low sec with my 4 alts ~16665 P2 every day
I'm going to go ahead and call you out on that blatant lie. Unless you're buying P0/P1 from the market, this is not physically possible.
edit: and if you are, you'd be making more money just extracting it.
edit2: also, the skills needed to use the best command center and 6 planets are a combined 57-60 days, so I don't forsee tons of people (alts or otherwise) having that, since the expansion has only been out for 2 months.
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General Bezelbub
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.08.07 05:56:00 -
[104]
Originally by: surf vaquero Edited by: surf vaquero on 07/08/2010 05:28:46 Edited by: surf vaquero on 07/08/2010 05:27:08
Originally by: VURDAH
I can produce myself in region Placid low sec with my 4 alts ~16665 P2 every day
I'm going to go ahead and call you out on that blatant lie. Unless you're buying P0/P1 from the market, this is not physically possible.
edit: and if you are, you'd be making more money just extracting it.
edit2: also, the skills needed to use the best command center and 6 planets are a combined 57-60 days, so I don't forsee tons of people (alts or otherwise) having that, since the expansion has only been out for 2 months.
He means P1 (forgetting that raw = P0)
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surf vaquero
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Posted - 2010.08.07 06:29:00 -
[105]
Originally by: General Bezelbub
Originally by: surf vaquero Edited by: surf vaquero on 07/08/2010 05:28:46 Edited by: surf vaquero on 07/08/2010 05:27:08
Originally by: VURDAH
I can produce myself in region Placid low sec with my 4 alts ~16665 P2 every day
I'm going to go ahead and call you out on that blatant lie. Unless you're buying P0/P1 from the market, this is not physically possible.
edit: and if you are, you'd be making more money just extracting it.
edit2: also, the skills needed to use the best command center and 6 planets are a combined 57-60 days, so I don't forsee tons of people (alts or otherwise) having that, since the expansion has only been out for 2 months.
He means P1 (forgetting that raw = P0)
No, he definitely meant P2.
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General Bezelbub
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.08.07 07:00:00 -
[106]
Shrug then, only way to do that is to buy the P1, and just run pure advanced factories. Why would you do it in low-sec then.
Plus, the other thing to note, is how much of he daily trade in coolant/mech pars etc, is really for use, and what is just trading/investing.
I can tell you that the coolant price right now was mainly driving up by investors, and not users.
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Steve Celeste
Overdogs HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.08.07 10:25:00 -
[107]
Originally by: General Bezelbub I can tell you that the coolant price right now was mainly driving up by investors, and not users.
You can tell from some of the pixels, right?
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Wyke Mossari
Gallente Staner Industries
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Posted - 2010.08.07 10:43:00 -
[108]
The downward trend that has dogged P1s over the last few weeks appears to be reversing. I think the click-fest is starting to bite. The question is what is going to be the next shortage manipulated spike.
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heheheh
PedoHamma
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Posted - 2010.08.07 11:15:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Steve Celeste
Originally by: General Bezelbub I can tell you that the coolant price right now was mainly driving up by investors, and not users.
You can tell from some of the pixels, right?
Who said he was making his assumption off pixels ? Hes quite right, a few friends or alts in the right places is all he needs.
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VURDAH
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Posted - 2010.08.07 13:56:00 -
[110]
Edited by: VURDAH on 07/08/2010 13:56:43
Originally by: surf vaquero edit2: also, the skills needed to use the best command center and 6 planets are a combined 57-60 days, so I don't forsee tons of people (alts or otherwise) having that, since the expansion has only been out for 2 months.
you really don't need skills to use best command center and 6 planets i'm talking about 5 planets "with 5 low sec planets" do you see ? and advanced command center, not elite. I've got Command center uprages Lvl 4 and Interplanetary Consolidation Lvl 4 [~7 days learning] and better for me is learning production efficienty and mass production on my alts then 5 lvl planet skills
Originally by: General Bezelbub
He means P1 (forgetting that raw = P0)
I don't forgot in my calculations about P0 ofc you'll make yourself P0 and after P1 and P2
I made my 5th Billon isk producing Oxidizing Compoud and selling that for ~1000isk 60 Millions/day - 12 Millions per planet
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King Gore
The Church of Sentcha
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Posted - 2010.08.07 14:39:00 -
[111]
Well, I'm done with Coolant for now. Selling a third of my stock for 32,000 was quite nice. -
Originally by: Verone Happy Ishtar is extremely happy
Originally by: Kahn Souphanousinphone I thought I was going to live next to a powerful man, now I just live next to power.
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battlefar galactica
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Posted - 2010.08.07 15:14:00 -
[112]
still buying coolant too. Also buying other pos fuels that i expect to go up since a lot of people are focusing on producing coolant. I personally think that the click fest that is pi is a major contribution to the fluxuation of coolant and other goods but i'm also concerned that there is a few heavy hitters sitting in the background with a massive supply and will soon flood the market with coolant.
my prediction- coolant will rise again on monday after the weekend to possibly around 25k and then crash possibly late next week or weekend at around 13,000 to 15,000 per unit.
after that or even during that i think we'll see other pi materials begin to spike
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battlefar galactica
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Posted - 2010.08.07 15:17:00 -
[113]
well for the sake of my wallet i hope they do lol
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VURDAH
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Posted - 2010.08.07 16:07:00 -
[114]
Edited by: VURDAH on 07/08/2010 16:11:25
Originally by: surf vaquero
I'm going to go ahead and call you out on that blatant lie. Unless you're buying P0/P1 from the market, this is not physically possible.
with 20 Advanced Industry i can really make 2400 Coolant/day and i need 38400 P1 hmm ^^ yes this is not possible well 3x producers P1 3x~12k + 1 Producer of P2 =2400 Coolant /day 1 player 600 Coolant / day hmmm. well 4 Millons P2 Fuel / 600 =6666 players NOT 1200
Sorry for that.
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Brian Ballsack
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Posted - 2010.08.07 18:10:00 -
[115]
Originally by: VURDAH Edited by: VURDAH on 07/08/2010 17:55:18
Originally by: surf vaquero
I'm going to go ahead and call you out on that blatant lie. Unless you're buying P0/P1 from the market, this is not physically possible.
With 20 Advanced Industry Facility on 1 planet i can really make 2400 Coolant/day and i need 38400 P1 ...3 planets with production of P0-P1 =3x~12k = ~38400 P1 Well with 4 planets I can produce 2400 Coolant P2 1 planet = 600 Coolant
Me and my 4 alts = 25 planets 25*600=15000 Coolant
1 player with 5 planets and lvl 4 skills can produce 3000 Coolant 4 Millions Demand for all P2 POS FUEL / 3000 =1333 players
Hmm 1 player producer of P2 in hi-sec can make 2400*5planets =12k coolant and he needs 96k Electrolytes and Water he will buy electrolytes for 1200 isk 96 000 units* 1200 = 115 200 000 isk and water for 600 isk 96 000 units * 600 isk = 57 600 000 isk for all 172 800 000 isk = 12 000 coolant 172 800 000 / 12 000 = Coolant price 14 400 isk if he sell it for 20k 20k-14.4k=5.4k profit /unit 12 000 units * 5400 =64 800 000 profit every day 1.8 Billion per month and he don't need to click on extractors he can make all P2 in Perimeter 1 jump from Jita This require only delivering P1 from Jita to Perimeter and access to the office
Well done at telling everyone how to take a chunk of your profit.
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VURDAH
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Posted - 2010.08.07 18:27:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Brian Ballsack
Well done at telling everyone how to take a chunk of your profit.
I don't produce, i'm lazy. Well this isn't my profit. I don't care about that. ...On the market is only 1.6 Millions Electrolytes / everyday producers in hi-sec can make only 200k units of coolant /day I've got 3 Millions for sell and now demand is ~1.5 Millions Coolant /day
I care about producers of P1 that delivering Electrolytes to hi-sec space [Jita] from Low and Null space security systems
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VURDAH
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Posted - 2010.08.08 21:41:00 -
[117]
someone bought more than 15 Millions of oxygen for very good price
if oxygen price will be higher than electrolytes price this is good news for us
demand for oxygen is very high if demand for coolant is 1.5M/day then for oxygen is 4.5M/day production of Electrolytes is now ~2M/day well players in hi-sec can make 250k Coolant/day
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Bosswoman
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Posted - 2010.08.09 02:00:00 -
[118]
Originally by: VURDAH
well players in hi-sec can make 250k Coolant/day
They're making more than that and, if they're smart, they're extracting and refining.
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VURDAH
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Posted - 2010.08.09 03:40:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Bosswoman if they're smart, they're extracting and refining.
if they are smart, they are buying Water on the market for <600isk , and only producing electrolytes for sell [best profit / planet] or just producing Coolant in hi-sec [best profit / hour]
i think for no more than 2 weeks [last remain stockpiles of oxygen] producers P0-P1 will be producing oxygen
...Well smart producers of Coolant are buying water and if they are extracting, they are extracting only electrolytes i will be watching water market
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.08.09 05:15:00 -
[120]
Edited by: Rakshasa Taisab on 09/08/2010 05:22:36
Originally by: VURDAH someone bought more than 15 Millions of oxygen for very good price
Checking in!
:nom: :nom: :nom:
Originally by: VURDAH i think for no more than 2 weeks [last remain stockpiles of oxygen] producers P0-P1 will be producing oxygen
...Well smart producers of Coolant are buying water and if they are extracting, they are extracting only electrolytes i will be watching water market
What most perhaps don't realize is that oxygen shares two planet types with electrolytes (last being super-rare ice planets), and as such people will have the choice between either making electrolytes, oxygen or finding another gas/storm planet.
Which means oxygen and electrolytes are in direct competition for PI resources. I was rather surprised at how low oxygen was still selling at so I bought up everything I could at the moment, hoping no one would notice for a few days.
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Thawed Corpse
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Posted - 2010.08.09 05:40:00 -
[121]
I hate to admit it, but I probably started the Oxygen craze by getting in bidding war with someone else last night. Unfortunately, I've been busy last 24 hours, and in that time the price rose another 10%.
I really hate those fluctuations.
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Bosswoman
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Posted - 2010.08.09 06:05:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab Edited by: Rakshasa Taisab on 09/08/2010 05:22:36
Originally by: VURDAH someone bought more than 15 Millions of oxygen for very good price
Checking in!
:nom: :nom: :nom:
Originally by: VURDAH i think for no more than 2 weeks [last remain stockpiles of oxygen] producers P0-P1 will be producing oxygen
...Well smart producers of Coolant are buying water and if they are extracting, they are extracting only electrolytes i will be watching water market
What most perhaps don't realize is that oxygen shares two planet types with electrolytes (last being super-rare ice planets), and as such people will have the choice between either making electrolytes, oxygen or finding another gas/storm planet.
Which means oxygen and electrolytes are in direct competition for PI resources. I was rather surprised at how low oxygen was still selling at so I bought up everything I could at the moment, hoping no one would notice for a few days.
Have fun when you lose your shirt.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.08.09 07:00:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Thawed Corpse I hate to admit it, but I probably started the Oxygen craze by getting in bidding war with someone else last night. Unfortunately, I've been busy last 24 hours, and in that time the price rose another 10%.
I really hate those fluctuations.
There was no significant rise in price before I came along. Actually the month long lack of spikes in trade volumes really surprised me considering use and production characteristics of oxygen.
Ripe for investment.
Originally by: Bosswoman Have fun when you lose your shirt.
Ah, yes... Wise words from random pirate made me realize I've already lost and will now thrash my NPC PI stockpile and traded PI goods. I am after all bankrupt already.
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Bosswoman
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Posted - 2010.08.09 15:58:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab Edited by: Rakshasa Taisab on 09/08/2010 07:07:27
Originally by: Thawed Corpse I hate to admit it, but I probably started the Oxygen craze by getting in bidding war with someone else last night. Unfortunately, I've been busy last 24 hours, and in that time the price rose another 10%.
I really hate those fluctuations.
There was no significant rise in price before I came along. Actually the month long lack of spikes in trade volumes really surprised me considering use and production characteristics of oxygen.
Ripe for investment.
Originally by: Bosswoman Have fun when you lose your shirt.
Ah, yes... Wise words from random pirate made me realize I've already lost and will now thrash my NPC PI stockpile and traded PI goods. I am after all bankrupt already.
I realize the price might fall again below 300 isk per unit if people with more oxygen than brains decide to dump again at old prices, which only means I'll buy that up too. Yet those are of limited size and prices will readjust once consumption works itself through them.
You bought *on a spike* and are now gambling that prices rise; doubtful.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.08.09 16:07:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Bosswoman You bought *on a spike* and are now gambling that prices rise; doubtful.
You must be holding your computer upside-down. Easy mistake to make for someone who can't read letters.
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Major Stardust
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Posted - 2010.08.09 19:54:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Originally by: Bosswoman You bought *on a spike* and are now gambling that prices rise; doubtful.
You must be holding your computer upside-down. Easy mistake to make for someone who can't read letters.
Actually that is very stupid reply, Bosswoman writing here proved that can read letters. Dunno about computer upside-down though...
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Bosswoman
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Posted - 2010.08.09 21:18:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Originally by: Bosswoman You bought *on a spike* and are now gambling that prices rise; doubtful.
You must be holding your computer upside-down. Easy mistake to make for someone who can't read letters.
Price is already crashing, you might want to (quickly) invest in a belt so you can keep your shorts too.
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Veni Ra
Amarr Brotherhood Of Cash
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Posted - 2010.08.10 04:29:00 -
[128]
I cant believe that people are still talking about coolant. Its old news, the new thing are construction blocks (of which I have a sizable amount). They have finally started moving up and were at around 4.5k p\u last time i checked.
So dump your coolant as fast as possible because its obviously no longer the best place to keep your isk :D
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.08.10 05:51:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Veni Ra I cant believe that people are still talking about coolant. Its old news, the new thing are construction blocks (of which I have a sizable amount). They have finally started moving up and were at around 4.5k p\u last time i checked.
So dump your coolant as fast as possible because its obviously no longer the best place to keep your isk :D
When pimping something at least try to connect it to current events in some way.
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Wyke Mossari
Gallente Staner Industries
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Posted - 2010.08.10 09:15:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Originally by: Veni Ra I cant believe that people are still talking about coolant. Its old news, the new thing are construction blocks (of which I have a sizable amount). They have finally started moving up and were at around 4.5k p\u last time i checked.
So dump your coolant as fast as possible because its obviously no longer the best place to keep your isk :D
When pimping something at least try to connect it to current events in some way.
The fundamental reason(s) that coolants (and Electrolytes) have spiked are two fold.
1) Individual POS supply stocks are starting to be exhausted. OK some stocked for a year, but the meme that markets can be volatile for three months post patch is/was also prevalent. We are starting to approach that. Only a foolish POS owner will want less than a months leeway, as we dig deeper into that last month's supply they will get more desperate.
2) As increasing numbers PI primary producers (we still need a good short hand for these) grow bored the supply will contract.
So there is a connection, those underlying reason(s) apply to several PI supplies. I'm not going to spell them out. #2 Also applies to a number of T2 items.
Finally there are two opposite pressures at work here. Increasing support costs for POS will contract the market for new towers and modules and some decommissioned towers will end up back on the market so we can expect high-end PI item demand to contract.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.08.10 09:29:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Wyke Mossari The fundamental reason(s) that coolants (and Electrolytes) have spiked are two fold.
That has nothing to do with construction blocks beyond the general increase expected in all former NPC PI items.
I asked him why he thought construction blocks were a good investment, when there are some rather obvious candidates for faster rise in price.
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Casadien
Blood Works Inc. Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.08.10 09:30:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Cheque Please Back to you, Ollie, for the weather...
IT'S RAINING SIDEWAYS! Hattivatti |
Patri Andari
Caldari Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
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Posted - 2010.08.10 10:40:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Casadien
Originally by: Cheque Please Back to you, Ollie, for the weather...
IT'S RAINING SIDEWAYS!
I KNOW Ollie. You're no Ollie
Patri
I'll Roshambo You For That Titan! |
Bosswoman
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Posted - 2010.08.11 05:18:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Originally by: Wyke Mossari The fundamental reason(s) that coolants (and Electrolytes) have spiked are two fold.
That has nothing to do with construction blocks beyond the general increase expected in all former NPC PI items.
I asked him why he thought construction blocks were a good investment, when there are some rather obvious candidates for faster rise in price.
Yeah, like construction blocks for their T2 prod value (I think I'm recalling my spreadsheets correctly). Same can be said for mech parts for T2 stuff and the fact that they're dually important for POS fuel (robotics) and coolant, which is currently the cash cow. The question is, which one will spike next?
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Steve Celeste
Overdogs HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.08.11 07:25:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Bosswoman which one will spike next?
They both are.
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Cheque Please
Hot Like Mexico
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Posted - 2010.08.11 07:31:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Bosswoman
Same can be said for mech parts for T2 stuff and the fact that they're dually important for POS fuel (robotics) and coolant, which is currently the cash cow. The question is, which one will spike next?
Mech parts --> Precious Metals --> Reactive Metals --> Robotics slightly / Construction Blocks --> Enriched Uranium slightly / Toxic Metals --> Consumer Electronics once stockpiles are burnt --> ??????????????????????????????? --> Planetary Vehicles --- WORMHOLE SERVICE RL Meeting w/ Chribba
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Wyke Mossari
Gallente Staner Industries
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Posted - 2010.08.11 08:04:00 -
[137]
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Originally by: Wyke Mossari The fundamental reason(s) that coolants (and Electrolytes) have spiked are two fold.
That has nothing to do with construction blocks beyond the general increase expected in all former NPC PI items.
I asked him why he thought construction blocks were a good investment, when there are some rather obvious candidates for faster rise in price.
I wasn't going to spell it out, but since Cheque Please has already done so I will elaborate.
Construction blocks are made from Reactive & Toxic metals, which are also used to make POS supplies. Their price will rise, in fact it's already doing so.
In the same way, coolant pushed up the price of Electrolytes and impacted rocket fuel and synthetic oil. The increased demand, for the reasons I've already highlighted, will do the same to construction blocks and a few other things.
Anything made from the same raws as POS fuel, if there is a real demand from another source such as T2, will rise faster than the general rise attached to former NPC PI items.
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2010.08.11 18:59:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Cheque Please
Originally by: Bosswoman
Same can be said for mech parts for T2 stuff and the fact that they're dually important for POS fuel (robotics) and coolant, which is currently the cash cow. The question is, which one will spike next?
Mech parts --> Precious Metals --> Reactive Metals --> Robotics slightly / Construction Blocks --> Enriched Uranium slightly / Toxic Metals --> Consumer Electronics once stockpiles are burnt --> ??????????????????????????????? --> Planetary Vehicles
Planetary Vehicles will never be worth building since they drop from missions in the enough of quantities
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Wyke Mossari
Gallente Staner Industries
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Posted - 2010.08.12 10:52:00 -
[139]
Looks like Toxic metals is the first to fall. A big stock raid has snatched the bulk of the supply in the major hubs during this morning forum patching.
Interesting it looks like only a tiny proportion has been re-listed so I'm thinking an Industrialist might be behind it rather than a trader/speculator.
The bad news (for me) is they beat me to it. The good news (for me anyway) is I've been accumulating it for a week. I think I'm going to let the shortage bite before relisting, however I am open to obscene offers :)
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Major Stardust
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Posted - 2010.08.28 00:24:00 -
[140]
Bump. Ahahah hahaha
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Morfig
Caldari De Re Metallica
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Posted - 2010.08.28 04:45:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Patri Andari
EDIT: Inserted Rodey King beatdown video for those to young to know.
Mu God, there ~are~ people who are too young to know that?!! I do feel old, and the years just sneak up... ;(
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Smelly Bait
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Posted - 2010.08.28 12:55:00 -
[142]
Edited by: Smelly Bait on 28/08/2010 13:02:19 hehe, who said nobody bought in coolant before it got expensive,.... i have 221 mil of coolant stocked up.
Edit: my first market dump will be tomorrow at 15:00 ET, i will be dropping 50 mil coolant on the market in jita in 5 orders of 10 mil each. Mail me if u want to exentd this date vs a fee of 1 billion for each 3 days
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Scott Ryder
Amarr art of eve Gunmen of the Apocalypse
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Posted - 2010.08.28 14:13:00 -
[143]
Originally by: Smelly Bait Edited by: Smelly Bait on 28/08/2010 13:02:19 hehe, who said nobody bought in coolant before it got expensive,.... i have 221 mil of coolant stocked up.
Edit: my first market dump will be tomorrow at 15:00 ET, i will be dropping 50 mil coolant on the market in jita in 5 orders of 10 mil each. Mail me if u want to exentd this date vs a fee of 1 billion for each 3 days
Youre telling me you spendt 331,5 billion isk on coolant :) Yea right..
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Bosswoman
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Posted - 2010.08.29 00:23:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Smelly Bait Edited by: Smelly Bait on 28/08/2010 13:02:19 hehe, who said nobody bought in coolant before it got expensive,.... i have 221 mil of coolant stocked up.
Edit: my first market dump will be tomorrow at 15:00 ET, i will be dropping 50 mil coolant on the market in jita in 5 orders of 10 mil each. Mail me if u want to exentd this date vs a fee of 1 billion for each 3 days
Awful attempt at a scam, I really doubt you bought 221b in coolant.
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Rumple Fourskin
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Posted - 2010.08.29 19:10:00 -
[145]
Edited by: Rumple Fourskin on 29/08/2010 19:10:40 yeah right. You bought 221b worth at the peak and are going to dump them back on the market now that they are less then half price?
Golf Clap...
You are doing it wrong
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Grozen
Caldari Titan Core
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Posted - 2010.08.29 19:19:00 -
[146]
everything is going down and a lot of people are cashing in i can never believe at the current trend we're going to reach 20k stable gs/coolant/ w/e. knowledge is power |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.08.29 21:04:00 -
[147]
Originally by: Grozen everything is going down and a lot of people are cashing in i can never believe at the current trend we're going to reach 20k stable gs/coolant/ w/e.
I am analyzing coolant's price trend right now, at
Linkage
Should be obvious what'll happen next. - Auditing & consulting
When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
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Major Stardust
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Posted - 2010.08.30 01:05:00 -
[148]
With all respect to you and your analysis, obvious next is hearing of someone laughing all the way to the bank. Tears also and a lot of sheep ripped off, crying. ahahaahaaa hahahah
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PinkFish
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Posted - 2010.08.30 01:54:00 -
[149]
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Originally by: Grozen everything is going down and a lot of people are cashing in i can never believe at the current trend we're going to reach 20k stable gs/coolant/ w/e.
I am analyzing coolant's price trend right now, at
Linkage
Should be obvious what'll happen next.
It's not as obvious as you'd like it to be. Yes there is the obvious "head and shoulders" pattern in the graph. However, there is an actual increasing trend-line underneath the graph that is totally hidden by manipulations thus far. That line represents both the inherent changes in supply and the ever decreasing number of people who are willing to dedicate hours a day to producing coolant in volume to "cash out" on the spike. I don't think we will know much of anything about coolant until the rebound.
I could be dead wrong, though. I really enjoyed your thread and I'm the first to admit that I don't know what I don't know.
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Vilgan Mazran
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2010.08.30 17:51:00 -
[150]
Originally by: Grozen everything is going down and a lot of people are cashing in i can never believe at the current trend we're going to reach 20k stable gs/coolant/ w/e.
why are you mixing P2 and P3 items in the 20k thing? Most P3s are pretty stable well above 20k. GS is obviously super low right now due to stockpiles, but it will rise as well once those stockpiles run out. Obviously when they will run out is much debated, but the fact that they will go 3-4x their current value once they do is pretty much accepted I believe.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.08.30 18:57:00 -
[151]
Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 30/08/2010 18:58:05
Originally by: PinkFish
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Originally by: Grozen everything is going down and a lot of people are cashing in i can never believe at the current trend we're going to reach 20k stable gs/coolant/ w/e.
I am analyzing coolant's price trend right now, at
Linkage
Should be obvious what'll happen next.
It's not as obvious as you'd like it to be. Yes there is the obvious "head and shoulders" pattern in the graph. However, there is an actual increasing trend-line underneath the graph that is totally hidden by manipulations thus far. That line represents both the inherent changes in supply and the ever decreasing number of people who are willing to dedicate hours a day to producing coolant in volume to "cash out" on the spike. I don't think we will know much of anything about coolant until the rebound.
I could be dead wrong, though. I really enjoyed your thread and I'm the first to admit that I don't know what I don't know.
You can see the underlying new trend right now, look at the necklines better. - Auditing & consulting
When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
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Grozen
Caldari Titan Core
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Posted - 2010.08.30 19:09:00 -
[152]
Gs/coolant won't rise in the next 2years.After watching the trend i can see there's too much room for these to go down still. knowledge is power |
Bosswoman
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Posted - 2010.08.30 20:11:00 -
[153]
Originally by: Grozen Gs/coolant won't rise in the next 2years.After watching the trend i can see there's too much room for these to go down still.
That's an entirely baseless fact, least of which because you can't compare Coolant to Guidance Systems; the pre-Tyrannis demand for GS was 500k, whereas it was past 2m for Coolant; most coolant stocks have either been dumped, speculated on, or used by now and the current stockpiles fall far below the 75m mark, if Jita is anything to go buy; finally, the stockpiles of GS exceed 350m, these are triple-checked numbers that are easily verified on multiple spreadsheets, that's over 2 years of daily demand in stockpiles alone, not considering what people are making. A terrible comparison.
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MMarlon
SRBI Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.08.30 20:59:00 -
[154]
It is cheaper to make Coolant than to buy from market. Stockpiles at 100M or 50M or whatever, make Coolant, sell and you make profit. So, burn or not your brain with tech. analysis, it will go DOWN. Try thinking fundamental and add 1+1. You were stock market manipulated succesfully and thats the whole story.
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Berikath
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Posted - 2010.08.30 21:54:00 -
[155]
Originally by: MMarlon It is cheaper to make Coolant than to buy from market. Stockpiles at 100M or 50M or whatever, make Coolant, sell and you make profit. So, burn or not your brain with tech. analysis, it will go DOWN. Try thinking fundamental and add 1+1. You were stock market manipulated succesfully and thats the whole story.
By that logic, all P1s should end up selling for about 20 ISK/u, P2s @ about 50, P3s @ 3-500, and P4s at about 60,000.
They wont.
@ 20k a unit, yes, you could pretty much guarantee that prices would go down. Now, not so much. If I were to throw my 2c in for a guess (without having run the numbers), I would guess that prices will stabilize somewhere around 10k/u- a little bit higher than most P2s, but in the same range.
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MMarlon
SRBI Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.08.30 22:16:00 -
[156]
I think we calculated somewhere that Pi miner will have good price for sell at 99 isk/pu for P1, with moderate skills per alt and paying for another account Plex as profit. More than reasonable.
But, to quote myself from a post about less than month ago:
"However, about Coolant-Mech parts comparison, there is not a single solid argument to justify 17k/pu Coolant vs 5k/pu Mech Parts. Either Coolant is pumped hard up or Mech Parts very underpriced; giving overall POS consumption goes to the Mech Parts favor. Ya, Coolant will dump, Mech Parts hold, imo, for my stock."
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Allana Baselle
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Posted - 2010.08.31 06:58:00 -
[157]
Originally by: Allana Baselle There are reports of regional shortages as speculators buy up remaining reserves. Coolant has performed well during the recent downturn in the PI sector and has seen more than a 60% increase over the last 5 trading days in Jita. Certain market professionals predict even higher prices as production has fallen and demand has remained consistent. Other investors believe the increase is only temporary since production will surely increase in the near future and since more independent moon operations have decided to go off-line as rising fuel prices has made an increasing number of moon materials unprofitable to mine.
Update: The summer coolant supply crisis has officially ended. Civilization as we know it has been saved.
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Vilgan Mazran
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2010.08.31 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Grozen Gs/coolant won't rise in the next 2years.After watching the trend i can see there's too much room for these to go down still.
lol at watching trends to determine what will happen instead of just using your brain. Not debating GS/coolant values, but looking at a pretty graph to determine what will happen is a pretty terrible way to get in early and make good isk.
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Major Stardust
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Posted - 2010.09.01 01:17:00 -
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And bounced! Lol, ripping off ahead, again.
hahahah
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MMarlon
SRBI Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.09.01 01:29:00 -
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I'm not a fan of a tech. analysis, but this was easy predictable using standard methods. Dropped too fast, in simple language, dead cat bounced. Giving very quick 5-15% profit for the smart trader. Unfortunatly, low volume not giving much absolute gain.
I hope Coolant will continue sideways, but my numbers show that will go down.
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skye orionis
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Posted - 2010.09.30 19:37:00 -
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Just noticed that myself and some others are seeing slightly higher production rates on our colonies producing coolant since the new patch. PRice of coolant is set to drop further.
Then again, maybe this will be offset by the people reporting their stock of materials in storage have evaporated (didn't you know that many fluids evaporate in a vacuum if not correctly stored?).
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Kal XL
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Posted - 2010.09.30 23:45:00 -
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From what I've seen with my planets, it looks more like they reset the resources to their original values, basically resetting the depletion. My planets with lots of harvesters stacked real close saw a significant increase, but my other planets saw only minimal increases in harvesting amounts. My guess would be that the price might drop a bit as people make the wrong assumption about a permanent boost, then it would probably equalize again to a roughly pre-patch price. Probably a bit lower since they did make PI itself less time consuming.
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