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Pagefault	Posted - 2004.12.20 17:05:00 - [1] This thread is for constructive ideas about the ab nerf. I consider it a fact, that small ships got nerfed too hard, and that bs are really uber now. If you have good ideas how to get the various ship classes balanced again, post here. This is, of course, mainly for us pvp players. One thing i expect from a good "nerf". Not to take away things, but to enrich the gaming environment. Best ideas are therefore ideas, that add something to the game, not cripple existing game mechanics. I will start with an idea, that i have already posted in a whiner thread, and which, of course, got lost there ... Interceptors (and maybe other ships) should get 20% less sig penalty per skill lvl when using mwd . So, if u got inty skill lvl5, u won't get any sig penalty from using a mwd. That would bring back small ships... And yes: Inties are most prominent example, one should examine this for other ships. Perhaps for all Tech2 ships?
Pagefault	Posted - 2004.12.20 17:05:00 - [2] This thread is for constructive ideas about the ab nerf. I consider it a fact, that small ships got nerfed too hard, and that bs are really uber now. If you have good ideas how to get the various ship classes balanced again, post here. This is, of course, mainly for us pvp players. One thing i expect from a good "nerf". Not to take away things, but to enrich the gaming environment. Best ideas are therefore ideas, that add something to the game, not cripple existing game mechanics. I will start with an idea, that i have already posted in a whiner thread, and which, of course, got lost there ... Interceptors (and maybe other ships) should get 20% less sig penalty per skill lvl when using mwd . So, if u got inty skill lvl5, u won't get any sig penalty from using a mwd. That would bring back small ships... And yes: Inties are most prominent example, one should examine this for other ships. Perhaps for all Tech2 ships?
Arbenowskee	Posted - 2004.12.20 17:35:00 - [3] Great idea for intys, but 20% per level is IMBA. maybe 10% would be better.
Arbenowskee	Posted - 2004.12.20 17:35:00 - [4] Great idea for intys, but 20% per level is IMBA. maybe 10% would be better.
Cracken	Posted - 2004.12.20 17:53:00 - [5] Edited by: ***en on 20/12/2004 17:53:42 also certain other ships who only defence is speed got whacked waaay too hard with the nerf bat. Like the rifter how exactly does making it 6x heavier help a ship that can't tank at all and is built around being not hit be able too have any use? Oversized ab's were mainly a problem on cruisers. Imho at least until the missle changes a temporsry solution is too reverse the ab nerf for frigates at least until the missles get a good wack from the nerf bat especially cruise missles.
Cracken	Posted - 2004.12.20 17:53:00 - [6] Edited by: ***en on 20/12/2004 17:53:42 also certain other ships who only defence is speed got whacked waaay too hard with the nerf bat. Like the rifter how exactly does making it 6x heavier help a ship that can't tank at all and is built around being not hit be able too have any use? Oversized ab's were mainly a problem on cruisers. Imho at least until the missle changes a temporsry solution is too reverse the ab nerf for frigates at least until the missles get a good wack from the nerf bat especially cruise missles.
KompleX	Posted - 2004.12.20 19:41:00 - [7] Edited by: KompleX on 20/12/2004 19:41:49 Originally by: ****en Edited by: ****en on 20/12/2004 17:53:42 also certain other ships who only defence is speed got whacked waaay too hard with the nerf bat. Like the rifter how exactly does making it 6x heavier help a ship that can't tank at all and is built around being not hit be able too have any use? Oversized ab's were mainly a problem on cruisers. Imho at least until the missle changes a temporsry solution is too reverse the ab nerf for frigates at least until the missles get a good wack from the nerf bat especially cruise missles. Well, I have killed every frig i've encountered post - Shiva in my rifter with and mwd fitted, so don't bring me that about the rifter not having any use because you can't put an oversized ab on it...
KompleX	Posted - 2004.12.20 19:41:00 - [8] Edited by: KompleX on 20/12/2004 19:41:49 Originally by: ****en Edited by: ****en on 20/12/2004 17:53:42 also certain other ships who only defence is speed got whacked waaay too hard with the nerf bat. Like the rifter how exactly does making it 6x heavier help a ship that can't tank at all and is built around being not hit be able too have any use? Oversized ab's were mainly a problem on cruisers. Imho at least until the missle changes a temporsry solution is too reverse the ab nerf for frigates at least until the missles get a good wack from the nerf bat especially cruise missles. Well, I have killed every frig i've encountered post - Shiva in my rifter with and mwd fitted, so don't bring me that about the rifter not having any use because you can't put an oversized ab on it...
Pagefault	Posted - 2004.12.21 08:46:00 - [9] Originally by: KompleX Edited by: KompleX on 20/12/2004 19:41:49 Well, I have killed every frig i've encountered post - Shiva in my rifter with and mwd fitted, so don't bring me that about the rifter not having any use because you can't put an oversized ab on it... Yeah, sig radius won't bother you much, if u fight same size ships. But having the huge sig radius from mwd while fighting against a bigger ship means instant death.
Pagefault	Posted - 2004.12.21 08:46:00 - [10] Originally by: KompleX Edited by: KompleX on 20/12/2004 19:41:49 Well, I have killed every frig i've encountered post - Shiva in my rifter with and mwd fitted, so don't bring me that about the rifter not having any use because you can't put an oversized ab on it... Yeah, sig radius won't bother you much, if u fight same size ships. But having the huge sig radius from mwd while fighting against a bigger ship means instant death.
Kuolematon	Posted - 2004.12.21 09:02:00 - [11] What I don't understand is that why AB's now increase mass of the ship by 50% ?! I mean 10mn AB raises shipmass by 5 million kilos!! WHY?! _______________________________________________ My opinions aren't my corporations opinions. (\_/) (x.x) This is what's left of Bunny, the rest tasted delicious.
Kuolematon	Posted - 2004.12.21 09:02:00 - [12] What I don't understand is that why AB's now increase mass of the ship by 50% ?! I mean 10mn AB raises shipmass by 5 million kilos!! WHY?! _______________________________________________ My opinions aren't my corporations opinions. (\_/) (x.x) This is what's left of Bunny, the rest tasted delicious.
Arud	Posted - 2004.12.21 09:20:00 - [13] I just think they need to boost the base speed of frigate class ships by 50%, same with crusiers, and nothing for battleships. Just scary watching how itty bitty faster crusiers are compared to battleships, and since crusiers are so damn slow already then a normal afterburner doesnt make a lick of difference
Arud	Posted - 2004.12.21 09:20:00 - [14] I just think they need to boost the base speed of frigate class ships by 50%, same with crusiers, and nothing for battleships. Just scary watching how itty bitty faster crusiers are compared to battleships, and since crusiers are so damn slow already then a normal afterburner doesnt make a lick of difference
Toran Mehtar	Posted - 2004.12.21 11:11:00 - [15] Originally by: Arud I just think they need to boost the base speed of frigate class ships by 50%, same with crusiers, and nothing for battleships. Just scary watching how itty bitty faster crusiers are compared to battleships, and since crusiers are so damn slow already then a normal afterburner doesnt make a lick of difference I have to agree with this 100% With a single nanofiber fitted in one of my geddon's 8 low slots, it's as fast as my prophecy. So why would I bother flying the prophecy ? Atm, cruisers are little more than a poor mans bs, and are really in need of a clear role. I have to say though, that turning then into heavy interceptors is not the answer imo.
Toran Mehtar	Posted - 2004.12.21 11:11:00 - [16] Originally by: Arud I just think they need to boost the base speed of frigate class ships by 50%, same with crusiers, and nothing for battleships. Just scary watching how itty bitty faster crusiers are compared to battleships, and since crusiers are so damn slow already then a normal afterburner doesnt make a lick of difference I have to agree with this 100% With a single nanofiber fitted in one of my geddon's 8 low slots, it's as fast as my prophecy. So why would I bother flying the prophecy ? Atm, cruisers are little more than a poor mans bs, and are really in need of a clear role. I have to say though, that turning then into heavy interceptors is not the answer imo.

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